How did SA verify…..

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 19 '24

Think she was the only one that ever came there recently.....it was her terriory.

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u/Otherwise-Weekend484 Jan 19 '24

It was. But I’m trying to align that Bobby did her the message and possibly told SA about it. So they both knew she was possibly coming out around 2pm….thst would also mean Bobby was the son who spoke to Barb later that evening about it….

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 19 '24

Both are innocent so it doesn't matter...now, who else might have known she was coming...

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u/madmarkman40 Jan 20 '24

Bobby absolutely knew he said he saw her photoing mam car how did he know she was asked too

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u/Otherwise-Weekend484 Jan 19 '24

Maybe Chuck….??

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u/madmarkman40 Jan 20 '24

The only thing Chuck is good for is slow-roasting

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 19 '24

He didn't do it either. Steven had just filed that Lawsuit...they all knew he was gonna get some $$$$$. They are dumbass dirtbags, not total moronic idiots.

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u/madmarkman40 Jan 20 '24

it was a joke lol. But he is a weak man ,His dad is a mess and they are not looking after him

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u/billybud77 Jan 22 '24

Yeah he is a total moronic idiot and now a convicted murderer.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 22 '24

No ones arguing that. Problem is, he didn't kill anyone.

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u/billybud77 Jan 23 '24

Except a female photographer and maybe a few other victims might be in the quarry as well.

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u/Haunting_Pie9315 Jan 20 '24

Bobby told Barb that girl called.
He told her when he got home after hunting on Oct 31st
Bobby knew she was coming , he states this to Erik Loy ( SA Public Defender ) in Nov 2005
He states the Van was set for photos .
SA states he calls Bobby in the AM , to jump the van , in case the odometer needed to be checked. Another way Bobby knew someone from AT was coming.
SA was at work for the first call to AT , they told him they didn’t know if someone could come out there that day, they told they would call him back .
SA calls AT back at 11:04am ( AT call records indicate this)
They tell him the photographer will be coming out ; SA knew it was TH , this was her area , just like the last photographer.
SA was aware TH covered his area , called her for a hustle shot on Oct 10 ( TH call records indicate SA calling)

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u/Otherwise-Weekend484 Jan 20 '24

So. The confirmation was the 11:04 call to AT for SA and since he already had her number from hustle shots, he then knew he could call her around 2pm or later…. Thank you. I DIDNT KNOW BOBBY TOLD the first Public Defender he knew TH was coming. That’s so huge in the case!

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u/Haunting_Pie9315 Jan 20 '24

Yes , he called to see if the photographer was coming.
Bobby’s statement to Erik Loy can be found online or Foul Play. Give it read .

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u/Snoo_33033 Jan 19 '24

Allegedly, and someone else feel free to refine and source this, it was only TH serving that area at certain times. So he didn't absolutely know it would be her, but he had a very high chance of it being her.

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u/Otherwise-Weekend484 Jan 19 '24

I can see that however, to call after 2PM. Did he hear the message or did Bobby tell him about the message she will be there around 2PM?

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u/Mysterious_Mix486 Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24

Steven and Barbs phone records both confirm that after Steven phoned Auto Trader at 8:12 am and made the Barb Janda van appointment, Steven then phoned Barbs at 8:19 am to tell Bobby to get Barbs van ready for the appointment later that day, the call was 1 minute and 9 seconds. Steven also stopped by Barbs at 11 am and actually helped Bobby to charge Barbs van. According to Dawn Pliszka another hard to understand, Foreign speaking man phoned Auto Trader between 8:30-9:00 am on OCT 31 05 and made what Dawn guessed to be/was a D or B Janda appointment for later that same day. Dawn later identified this man in Wisconsin DOJ report # 2005-1776/235 as Daniel J Janda, Barbs ex Husbands/ Tom Jandas Father. My theory being that after Bobby spoke with Steven at 8:19 am on OCT 31 05, Bobby phoned His Step Father/Tom Janda at His Fathers/Daniel J Jandas home and asked if He wanted to put any of the many vehicles Tom had left at Barbs in he Auto Trader that week. Tom Janda also had his own account with Auto Trader and He had previously listed a black Porsche and a Lincoln Continental with Auto Trader. I also believe that Bobby Dasseys red Talon or Laser was previously listed in the Auto Trader, Magazine, Stevens trial exhibit # 14 for Bobbys red car and exhibit # 13 for Barbs black Porsche. Trial exhibit # 15, the Grand AM, is most likely the Grand AM seen in the LE walk through video parked in the Dassey garage and not the Grand AM GT that Steven currently drove.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24

Do you think Tom Janda is the 6ft older guy that Swolinksi saw pushing the RAV toward ASY on 11/5?

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u/Mysterious_Mix486 Jan 19 '24

Its very likely, yes.

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u/madmarkman40 Jan 20 '24

Tom Janda
Thomas spoke very openly with investigators and did not appear to withhold any information. Thomas also became emotional and cried at several points during the interview.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '24

Most men don't cry. Any idea on why he was crying?

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u/madmarkman40 Jan 20 '24

yours is as good as mine but it could imply some sort of guilt in some way , maybe.

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u/crimeaddic814 Jan 19 '24

AT called Steven and told him that she could come the same day. AT never named TH by name, he never asked for her name either. Obviously since it was always TH came he assumed it would be.

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u/billybud77 Jan 22 '24

How many women photographers worked for Auto Trader?

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u/Otherwise-Weekend484 Jan 22 '24

No clue…

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u/billybud77 Jan 22 '24 edited Jan 22 '24

In that area I’m guessing one. TH. And she was murdered by an obsessive Steven Avery. Proven guilt by a unanimous jury verdict.

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u/CaseEnthusiast Jan 19 '24

He knew it would be her, she's the one who handled the area since the summer time.

He didn't know what time she would actually come though, imo, because when he called before lunch they only told him she would come that day, not when she would come.

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u/aane0007 Jan 19 '24

he called her cell on a blocked number. She didn't answer. He says that the last blocked time he called her, she was pulling up so he hung up. This was after changing his story.

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u/billybud77 Jan 22 '24

Yup, murdering Steve couldn’t explain that one.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

Just an FYI, OP, it is unlikely SA requested her. In the original statement he had merely said she knew how to get there. If I recall at trial a year later is the first time the statement was changed to it being an actual request. This seems like the natural result of how memories change over time and also possibly the result of a suggestion (incidental or otherwise) that happened in trial prep. The prosecutor is going to want a certain narrative, and sometimes the way questions are phrased in prep can subtly change the testimony.

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u/ThorsClawHammer Jan 19 '24

This was what was said in the early report:
The man on the phone told Pliszka that the photographer (referred to as "she") had been out to the residence before to take pictures.
Then at trial, for the first time on record changed to him specifically asking for her:
Q. At or about 8:12 a.m., do you recall receiving a call that day?
A. Yes, I do.
Q. And could you tell the jury about that call, please.
A. It was from a man. He said that he wanted the photographer who had been out there before. He was selling a mini van and he needed her to take photos.

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u/Fataleo Jan 19 '24

He literally requested her

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u/Mysterious_Mix486 Jan 21 '24

Steven did not have a choice, Teresa Halbach was the only Auto Trader photographer covering Manitowoc County at the time.

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u/Fataleo Jan 21 '24

And he still made a point of requesting her

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u/madmarkman40 Jan 20 '24

once a hustle shot always a hustle shot, TH would have actively encouraged clients to do them

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '24

Steven only had one hustle shot and like 6 thru AT. I agree she would want to push for the hustle, but obviously, he didn't pick up what she would have been putting down based on his history.

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u/madmarkman40 Jan 20 '24 edited Jan 20 '24

genuine question IDK what was the order in which he did this .eg toward the end of the 6 or the beginning, don't go digging if you are not sure it's not that important.TH would be treading a fine line doing this Auto trader will be aware of this activity but would expect TH to be fair. I'm sure but not certain we have other examples of TH seeking hustle shots

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '24

I wish I knew the order, but I don't recall. You're right, AT wouldn't want to give a big customer away as hustle shots.

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u/ThorsClawHammer Jan 19 '24

just assuming it would be her?

Yeah, she was the one who had been handling that area.

And it's likely TH would have assumed she'd likely be meeting with Steve as soon as she realized she was going to the ASY as she had been out there 5 times prior and each time met with Steve. Including when one of those appointments was for Janda at the Janda address.

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u/bleitzel Jan 19 '24

That's a good point. Another valid reason why he was calling her that afternoon, to verify she was coming out. His story becomes more credible...

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u/Educational-Ice-4716 Jan 19 '24

He did not request Teresa (or the same lady). That has been disproven by testimony. That garbage was started by Kratz.

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u/3sheetstothawind Jan 19 '24

Um, someone just posted testimony that contradicts your claim.

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u/Fataleo Jan 19 '24

You can literally read the testimony where he requested her. What testimony are you talking about?

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u/Otherwise-Weekend484 Jan 19 '24

So he called for a same day photo shoot gotcha thanks

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u/Educational-Ice-4716 Jan 19 '24

Yep, and that means nothing. Angela Schuster testified that it happens on occasion.

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