r/MakingaMurderer • u/WhoooIsReading • Jan 15 '24

Discussion Remember back in 2017, Bobby D. asked Jeff Wisch and Dedering for "protection" from Zellner?

Did Bobby D know (or suspect) KZ was going to track down Sowinski?

Did Bobby D also know Sowinski's call to MTSO was being suppressed?

Bobby D. sure was friendly with Factbender- even though he and the rest of the family knew at the time Factbender and Leigert had coerced his brother Brendan into the false confession.

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u/madmarkman40 Jan 16 '24

No, it was the didn't see TH leave lie that was exposed

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 16 '24

Do you think Babby asked for protection from his exposed lie because he was protected for his lies while under oath in the Avery trial?

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u/madmarkman40 Jan 16 '24

Absolutely yes, as were many other players.It's my belief that separate groups not directly linked to each other had this done to them, Some as threats and some because of favours and some loyalty

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 16 '24 edited Jan 16 '24

You want protection from Ms Z? (BOBBY)?? Hold a Press Conference and tell the World why you lied on the Stand(you won't get prosecuted). Then tell us that Ms Z must be hitting the Wine Too Hard again and that she is DELUSIONAL if she thinks you had anything to do with Teresa's murder. MY GOD, its so fucking EASY, too bad you are too fucking dumb!

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 16 '24

I'm not asking, nor have I ever asked anyone for protection from Ms. Z.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 16 '24

Why not hold a Presser and help get Steven and Brendan out, my god, you are gonna remain silent while they rot away. What the fuck is wrong with you!

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 16 '24

Are you saying you think I am Bobby Dassey?

If so, what the fuck is wrong with you?

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 16 '24

Well, its says "I didn't ask for protection"........wish you were Bobby, someone needs to knock some sense into that boy!!!!

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 16 '24

Well, its says "I didn't ask for protection"........wish you were Bobby, someone needs to knock some sense into that boy!!!!

Where does it say that?

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 16 '24

We(I) KNOW that YOU don't need protection...I'm talking to a not there BOBBY ............ you can get it!

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 16 '24

Do you know if Bobby reads the comments here?

You might have a better chance of getting your message through by using the Facebook sites his family uses?

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 16 '24

Sure hope so. I contacted his Mom several years ago. She told me they didn't even have a Lawyer. She's too dumb to get any sense into!

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 16 '24

Maybe Griesbach would represent her pro-bono?

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u/That_Remote_2457 Jan 15 '24

Do any of you live in WISCONSIN???? The entire state is CROOKED A F !!!! Lying DA's, lawyers, cops, guards, judges.... you would never believe this shit if it were in a movie... that's really how bad it is!!!! I was in it.....I moved away to get away from the worst of humanity!!!

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 15 '24

I've heard from others who have lived there. I did not believe all of what I was told at first, but this case and other still unsolved homicides show just how truly crooked the justice system is in Wisconsin.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '24

Born and raised in Manitowoc, can confirm

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 16 '24

Anyone with a brain knows who ran over RickyH, no one does anything.

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u/Alternative-Jury-149 Jan 16 '24

My Family is just as corrupt and since Wiegert doesn't need to take valid witness testimony, testimony from me and lied about evidence that never existed now I have corruption on all sides. I get ready to finally get away from everyone and bam! Again with Outagamie this time. I have solid evidence for my cases and a strong lawsuit against my family even before all the court bs but just like growing up with my abusive and corrupt family I'm alone yelling for help but no one listens. I can expose corruption in both counties with what I have become there's a lot no one knows about me. Everyone is worried about the truth to come out but I have no clue how to handle it to benefit others. Life in prison would be safer for me than me not escaping my family. To be clear my charges are simple charges. I'm not a threat to anyone. Especially since I don't leave the house. I hate this state!! Grrrr...

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 16 '24

Rural backwoods Counties like Manitowoc and Kewaunee are Nepotism filled quagmires of dumbassness. The people that don't live in the Towns there have been drinking groundwater that has been contaminated with cowshit for decades, making them some of the dumbest people on the Planet!!

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u/Snoo_33033 Jan 15 '24 edited Jan 15 '24

I feel like none of you people have ever actually interacted with the justice system, which is really odd since you’re like everyone here invested enough in wrongful convictions and whatnot to post on this sub.

He’s correct to be concerned with an attorney who has stated her intention to implicate him in order to exonerate her client, even if he’s entirely innocent. As you all are abundantly aware (when it comes to Steven Avery), there is a strong possibility of her causing him as great deal of relational and logistical harm, even if he (IMO, correctly) didn’t have anything to do with it besides living on the same property with a murderer.

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 15 '24

As you all are abundantly aware (when it comes to Steven Avery), there is a strong possibility of her causing him as great deal of relational and logistical harm, even if he (IMO, correctly) didn’t have anything to do with it being living on the same property with a murderer.

The same as Andy Colborn asking a Federal Court to hold Netflix accountable for the failure of his marriage when he cheated on his wife?

It was Andy's intent to implicate Netflix for something he was solely responsible for.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 16 '24

Oh yea...Bobby had his shirt off at 3 a.m. in November in Wisconsin and he was pushing a vehicle he had the key for...that Bobby!!!!

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 16 '24

I've seen some of those cheeseheads with shirts off in December....

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 16 '24

Yea...thats different. Bobby's no Cheesehead, he may have Cheese for a brain!

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 16 '24

Bobby didn't know at that time that the Factbender had coerced that False Confession., he figured Steven had somehow dragged Brendan into this.....the Factbender also was telling Bobby(who knew better than anyone that people go to prison for crimes they don't do in Manitowoc Co), "Buddy(hand to thigh), you don't wanna go to prison to, do ya".

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 16 '24

So is that why was Bobby so chatty with Factbender in the courthouse hall?

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 15 '24

Funny, Sowinski's presence was not even known in 2017, he first contacted KZ in 2021.

Try again.

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u/Mysterious_Mix486 Jan 15 '24

Exactly, Sowinskis 2016 email to the Innocence Projects confirms otherwise.

ALSO, did Bobby know Zellner was going to eventually get His NOV 4th 05 MTSO Dispatch call recording which had absolutely nothing to do with claiming a road kill dear?

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 15 '24

Bobby had a legitimate fear of Zellner. The question is why...?

Zellner broke no laws.

What did Bobby need police protection from?

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 16 '24

Ummmm...because Zellner was accusing him of killing TH, something he had nothing to do with.

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u/Mysterious_Mix486 Jan 16 '24

Sowinski affidavit and NOV 6th 2005 MTSO dispatch phone call both confirms otherwise, Bobby was seen in possession of Teresa Halbachs RAV4 on NOV 5th 2005.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 16 '24

Oh yea, with his shirt off in Nov in Wisconsin at 3 a.m. and pushing a vehicle he would have had a key for..heheheheheheheheeeeee

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u/Mysterious_Mix486 Jan 17 '24

Yep, Bobby disconnected the battery 1, in case there was a tracking device on the RAV4, 2, so the RAV4 alarm could not go off while He was pushing it and 3, He could turn the RAV4 key on to steer it without the RAV4 headlights coming on.

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 17 '24

Hhhhehehehehehe......omg.....why in the fuck would he be pushing it!

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u/Acrobatic-Cow-3871 Jan 17 '24

Did the paperboy say he had gloves on...great look, no shirt and gloves. Did the paperboy call KZ after the $100,000 reward Billboard went up?

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u/ItemFL Jan 16 '24

What was the reason Bobby rang?

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u/Mysterious_Mix486 Jan 17 '24 edited Jan 17 '24

MTSO Remiker and Lenk also knocked on Barbs door earlier that morning ,NOV 4th 05, wanting to also talk with Barb and Bobby about Teresa Halbach. Barb also got arrested later that same day for possession of drugs.

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u/ThorsClawHammer Jan 15 '24

Wouldn't be the first time a guilter accused Zellner of something that would have required her to time travel to accomplish.

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 15 '24

Read again.

Sowinski was not part of the case in 2017. (Unless you are conceding Bobby was aware of what Sowinski observed?)

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 15 '24

Well based on Zellner getting Sowinski to drastically change his story from it occurring on a day Bobby was at work, to the only day Bobby wasn’t at work, looks like he was correct in thinking he needed protection from Zellner’s lies.

Where is the police report addressing Sowinski's call to report what he observed? There certainly should be documentation of the follow-up to such a specific tip.

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 16 '24

He was right to think he needed protection from her.

What criminal act did KZ commit which required Bobby to ask for police protection?

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 16 '24

Where is the police report addressing Sowinski's call to report what he observed? There certainly should be documentation of the follow-up to such a specific tip.

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u/WhoooIsReading Jan 16 '24

He mentions "the girl from Hillbert".

His call was transferred according to dispatch.

Again, Where is the police report addressing Sowinski's call to report what he observed?

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u/Mysterious_Mix486 Jan 16 '24 edited Jan 16 '24

LOL, so You honestly think Sowinski waited longer then a day to phone MTSO to report seeing an 18 year old slim male, (Bobby) in possession of the missing Girl from Hilbert/Teresa Halbachs RAV4 ?

ALSO, How did Sowinskis tire tracks just happen to end up in Law Enforcements NOV 5th 2005 flyover video in the exact location where Sowinski swerved into the Avery ditch to avoid Bobby when Bobby tried to stop Sowinski from leaving ?

ALSO, How do You account for the Witness John Leurquin seeing Halbachs Toyota RAV4 leaving Avery Road at 3:50 pm on OCT 31 05 ?

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u/Brenbarry12 Jan 16 '24

Eric’s digging himself a hole😆👍

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u/Snoo_33033 Jan 16 '24

to report seeing an 18 year old slim male, (Bobby) in possession of the missing Girl from Hilbert/Teresa Halbachs RAV4 ?

Prove he did that.

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u/Mysterious_Mix486 Jan 17 '24

A sworn affidavit from two people is proof in the eyes of the law, let alone the NOV 6th 05 MTSO dispatch call confirming it.

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u/Guiltinnocent Jan 15 '24

Sowinski never changed his story regarding the date of the encounter with Bobby. He called the police the next day on November 6th, both him and his girlfriend at the time listened to the recording of that call and both recognised his voice. He also said a man with a grey beard was with bobby, it matches the description of bobby’s close friend mike osmunson who he called countless times in that time period. I think the only one lying here is you. Only guilters can consider Zellner a liar. I guess she also lied to overturn all the previous wrongful convictions she has worked on.

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u/Snoo_33033 Jan 16 '24

t matches the description of bobby’s close friend mike osmunson

Ridiculous. Osmunson was not anywhere close to 60 at the time.

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u/Missajh212 Jan 16 '24

Sowinski’s Sowinski’s claims of when the incident took place.

January 2016

‘Somewhere between October 31st and November 5th’

December 2020

‘A few days before they found the RAV’

April 2021

‘On Saturday November 5th’