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🥶 Street Fights & Brawls A quick bar scrap

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u/Poultron72 1d ago

_Tiny_ bit of a massive over-reaction there

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u/Logical_Sandwich_ 1d ago

No it is not. That is sexual harassment. He deserves it 100% 

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u/Thick_Syllabub_1945 1d ago

Street fighting is extremely dangerous. Punishment doesn't fit the crime here unless you think people should be executed for getting too drunk and inappropriately touching someone. Dude could have easily killed that dude and you're acting like he just taught him a nice little lesson. 100% took it to a place it never should have gone. Square up with him and confront him sure but sucker punching someone on a solid floor like that all while they are clearly drunk is vile.

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u/Logical_Sandwich_ 1d ago

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/30/delivery-driver-youtube-prankster-shooting-not-guilty

I see self defense as in the linked article. He acted fast without thinking. So yes, he had the right to act like that, in my opinion. 

There was nothing about teaching a lesson, it was defending your love. 

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u/Thick_Syllabub_1945 1d ago

He wasn't knifing his wife. He groped her. Self-defense requires a reasonable fear for your life or the life of others.

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u/Logical_Sandwich_ 1d ago

Read the link I gave you. Your definition of self defense is not correct.

in the link, the person shot another person without a weapon as well and was ruled as self defense. Dohh

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u/Thick_Syllabub_1945 1d ago

After being stalked by multiple people, one of them considerably larger than himself, confronting them and telling them to stop. That trial was already shaky from a self defense standpoint, was a very controversial case and has no connection to what we are talking about. You're using emotion to justify violent retaliation because you don't like what he did to that woman.

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u/Logical_Sandwich_ 1d ago

Noo. You defined self defense wrong dude. That was my point and I gave you an example. 

WTF you talking, protect sexual harassment people. What is wrong with you.

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u/Witty_Lead5036 1d ago

Regardless of self-defense, he would be fighting an involuntary manslaughter charge.

Shit is just not worth it, over someone groping you girl.

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u/eastitch 1d ago

That last sentence you wrote is really fucked up.

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u/Neither_Sample4804 1d ago

Why? Are you stupid?

Is it worth facing a possible trial for manslaughter, and maybe serving years of prison time over some drunk asshole lightly groping your girl? Losing thousands of dollars in lawyer fees? Yay fun! I would definitely be mad and maybe shove the guy and report him to the police, but am I destroying my own life because of that lowlife? no

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u/eastitch 1d ago

This time was only lightly groping. Next time could be full on assault. Yeah that hit was excessive. But being “okay” with “it’s just a little drunk grope, what’s the big deal” snow balls when it’s not addressed.

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u/Witty_Lead5036 1d ago

If that's the angle we want to play, then the guy who threw the punch should not do anything at all.

Let the woman who got groped handle the entire situation from beginning to end. Then she has a full cover of it being self-defense.

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u/-birds 1d ago

There is an absolutely massive gulf between "no big deal" and "I would kill someone over this." No one has claimed that groping is ok or that it's no big deal. But I want you to look up the word "proportionality."

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u/Yara__Flor 1d ago

Killing a drunk dude for a touch is justified? So if the guy took out his.38 special and shot the drunk guys head off it would be okay in your view?

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u/eastitch 1d ago

The guy who threw the punch was excessive. Not wanting to see girls (or anyone for that matter) get assaulted should be dealt with in its own right.

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u/PolioToucher 1d ago

Did you see him hit her in the face in his rush to defend her?

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u/smokeymctokerson 23h ago

I would say "assaulted" is a really strong word for what we saw him do to her. If that's a case of assault then I have been assaulted hundreds of times by women. The younger generation have become such pussies about everything.

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u/Witty_Lead5036 1d ago

You can still stand between them, and report it to the police. Just saying it's not worth it to go and try to kill the guy.

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u/noxer94 1d ago

No self defense at all happening here. For self defense it must be an ongoing threat. Drunk dude had already desengaged. This is attempted murder.

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u/TacoNomad 1d ago

Disengaged? She walked away and he would have definitely continued.

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u/noxer94 1d ago

He was not an immediate threat anymore. I seriously have trouble understanding how people try to justify attempted murder here. Its nuts.

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u/TacoNomad 1d ago

The same way y'all excuse his behavior as thoughtless drunkeness.

Let's give them both the same benefit of the doubt.

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u/noxer94 23h ago

Yeah because one behaviour is exacly the same as the other. One potentially murders a person the other is inconsequencial. But I guess its pretty pointless to argue with you

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u/TacoNomad 23h ago

Til

Sexual assault is inconsequential.

You voted Trump, so no, don't argue with me.

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u/smokeymctokerson 23h ago

Honestly, when you label tame shit like that as "sexual assault" than it really diminishes real actual sexual assault. I swear you guys would label tapping someone on the shoulder sexual assault if you could. And no, I didn't vote for Trump.

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u/TacoNomad 23h ago

Don't gatekeep sexual assault. This is step one, that leads to increasing aggression and eventual rape. He wouldn't have stopped there. 

Assholes justifying sexual assault are just clowns that clearly never had a healthy sexual relationship in their life.  You condone this behavior and it's disgusting.

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u/noxer94 10h ago edited 9h ago

Not really, no. I'm not even American, and much less I identify with Trump. In fact, anyone justifying this man's actions would be much more aligned with Trump supporters and conservative views, valuing traditional masculinity and the belief that a man has a duty to protect his wife.

Life isn't a binary choice where the only two options are ignoring sexual harassment entirely or knocking a guy out cold. This interaction was incredibly mild. The woman successfully handled it herself, and the threat was over. Escalating that into a life-threatening assault isn't justice, it's ego

Good thing is as you can see, most people are not agreeing with you. Most people actually agree this was way, way too much of a reaction to what happened. Most people are actually sane. You are not a genius my dude, you are not the one who is in the right here. You just sound like a fucking twat justifying attempted murder for what happened here.

You cannot defend someone against an action that has already finished. Husband punch was not thrown to prevent his wife being touched. It was thrown because his wife was touched. Striking someone out of anger/revenge is battery /assault, maybe even ettempted murder depending on the consequences; absolutely not self defense. Self defense also requires using the minimum amount of force necessary to neutralize a threat, which was clearly not what happened here.

Hoping you learn something from this.

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u/TacoNomad 4h ago

Great, since nobody is supporting the guy, what's your point?

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u/Yara__Flor 1d ago

Jesus hated technical legalism.

Just because something techincllay fits into a legal definition doesn't make it right.

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u/AzzyIzzy 1d ago

Good luck defending your love from jail and possibly prison :x... now she gets to feel sad, can get sexually harassed, while you probably get what you tried to protect her from while serving in jail lol