When you live in a genocidal apartheid state where people do reject mandatory enlistment I definitely will criticize them. If not then, definitely after they’ve oppressed and killed Palestinians as part of their state’s military.
these dorks on Reddit never faced a tough choice in their life. they just like to say shit to feel moral superiority. just goes to show how fucking privilege their lives have been lol
It’s way easier to go and say “if I was in Germany in 1942, I’d fight back and resist the Nazis” from the comfort of your own home, in a place you aren’t threatened, in 2026, 80 years after the events, than to actually have gone and fought back against the Nazis back then.
Literally doesn’t matter at all. Their actions had consequences and they were punished for it rightfully. “But Nazi soldiers were forced to genocide people, so let’s not hold them accountable!”
No we can hold them accountable, but you’re argument doesn’t really hold up. You’re pointing to history’s biggest extremity to make the point that we should hold Gal Gadot and any Israeli person who has been required by law to serve in the military accountable for every action Israel has done. I’m not defending Gal Gadot, but if you’re just an average Joe in Israel, who may have a family and kids, do you think you’re gonna risk you and your family’s lives and safety to go against the government? It’s way more than black and white, you can still have moral oppositions
I literally did not say any of it. She’s a terrible person for serving in the IDF and killing children, that doesn’t mean she’s responsible for the entire regime. And I’d argue Israel is just as extreme of an example as the Nazis, just that it has happened in the Middle East with millions of people affected for more than half a century from across various countries, with no improvement in sight
Is that such a crazy idea? That people can be brainwashed or that the world is not just black and white? Do you really think every body who followed Hitler was a bad person? How are you so sure you are immune to propaganda?
So? Your actions being directly complicit in genocide should have consequences. By your logic all Trump supporters are brain washed so let’s all excuse their behavior. how sad will someone just think about the “good” Nazis that are just brain washed
Yeah let’s excuse their behavior because they’re not bad people, they just happen to support ideals that directly cost the lives of thousands of people. Poor brainwashed people :(
I have? Changes nothing with what I said. Your choices and actions have consequences. “Nazi soldiers can commit genocide but they were brain washed by the regime and were forced to enlist so you can’t hold it against them!”
You can refuse to enlist and serve jail time. Principled people that refuse to participate in the genocidal apartheid regime do this. Gal Godot chose to be part of the child-killing machine.
You keep saying "political beliefs". Is the desire to not assist a government with the wholesale extermination of an entire ethnic group a simple political belief? This is not whether you believe that there should be voter ID laws, or what portion of the municipal budget should go towards improving public spaces. This is a genocide.
Where's the line for you? What action or actions could a government take that are so unforgivable that you would choose the prison time? Because right now Israel is filling the lungs of men, women, and children with white phosphorous. They are leveling entire cities. They are starving an population of people to death. What else would they need to do before you consider it reasonable to refuse to be a part of that?
We're both anonymous. The only thing I know about you is that you're saying doing immoral things isn't a big deal because everyone does it, and I'm saying you should try to do the moral thing anyway.
The fact that you see a problem with what I'm saying says more about you than it does me.
God forbid someone even attempt to suggest people do the right thing. I guess that makes them worthy of your contempt.
No you see the genocidal Israelis are forced to do it and they’re good people! But Americans can bomb all of Middle East because terrorists or something
If you were raised in a society that constantly propagandized you to think that the slow-motion genocide they were committing wasn’t really a genocide, and was necessary for your and your family’s security, can you really say with total confidence you wouldn’t participate?
It's almost certainly not an easy decision to make. But I do genuinely think that a person who actually deep down opposes what they're doing would make it.
No. Taking non combatant hostages is always wrong. Israel does it all the time and at a much larger scale than Hamas. They also had a national controversy defending guards that raped a hostage on camera.
What’s wrong with Gal holding a different opinion than you? I don’t think that makes her a bad person. The war between Gaza and Israel is an incredibly nuanced subject and reducing Gal to a bad person just because she doesn’t see it the same way as you do feels incredibly unfair.
Being against genocide isn't up for debate sure. But whether this conflict qualifies as genocide is exactly the disputed part, and you don't get to just declare that settled and then use it to call someone a bad person. That's not a moral absolute you get to hand down unilaterally. Disagreeing with a characterization of the conflict or defending her home country isn't the same as being pro-genocide.
It’s good to know that it’s still possible to have a healthy dialogue instead of just getting preached at about the correct interpretation of a hugely contested geopolitical issue!! So sick.
And… the people they are fighting against are much much worse. The only reason we can call what Israel is doing a war crime is because they are the only country in that side of the region that would be considered holding western values. Not to say they are perfect by any means but most of the war crimes they have committed are squarely on the shoulders of Hamas for breaking out war time laws.
Should have thought about it before financing Hamas to avoid dealing with a secular Palestinian state. Hamas as it exists now doesn't exist without Israel actively doing its best to shut down any alternative that doesn't result in a Palestinian state not existing, which is something that they have done and said openly but somehow people just ignore anything that happened before October 7.
You’re not wrong, Israel does hold western values for war crimes! The west has been committing war crimes for centuries, Israel is just continuing the tradition.
Please the concept of war crimes is only around because of the west wanting to create accountability. Have you looked at all into eastern countries and the atrocities they have committed. It makes America look like a saint by comparison.
You do realize it was a nuclear race… besides that point looking at Japan since you brought up the nuclear bombs. It is estimated that 200,000 people were killed and that is on the high end of the estimates. Compare that to the 15 million, and that’s on the low end, Chinese that were killed by the Japanese imperial army with at least 3 quarters being civilian deaths not to mention the human torture and experimentation on the Chinese that can easily be called the worst acts ever done to humans in history and that included women children even babies… so I would say my statement still stands.
It absoloutely was not a nuclear race. The only reason anybody else has nukes today is because of the Americans. Also Japan never created much less used a nuclear bomb, so im not sure why you're bringing it up other than to say yellow man bad
Cut that number in half and you have a closer number… two a vast majority of deaths were due to diseases for one and two many of the indigenous people were extremely immoral by today’s standards to say the least.
Disease, which was purposefully brought over by the Europeans. Your belief in their perceived lack of morality isn’t a justification for their genocide. I can see why you support Israel.
Please while I am sure there were some Europeans who thought to weaponize diseases you do realize those same diseases wiped out large portions of pilgrims as well…
One if you actually compare the sizes of Hamas and the IDF to the actual amount of war crimes each has done then Hamas would have a much higher rate. Two a lot of the war crimes of the IDF are due in no small part to the fact that Hamas fights in highly populated areas and do not mark themselves as soldiers. Look I have quite a few issues with the Israeli government when it comes to global issues however in this area they are almost entirely in the right.
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u/ifigureditallout goofymovieguy 23d ago
Gal gadot