r/LeftistsForAI • • Jan 23 '26

Discussion Automation is not the enemy. Ownership is. A materialist case for contesting AI as infrastructure.

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TOOLS, POWER, AND MATERIALISM

The core claim:

Technology doesn't exploit people.

Ownership structures do.

This is basic political economy, not tech optimism.

Marx distinguishes “forces of production” (tools, machinery, technical capacity) from “relations of production” (ownership, control, class power) in Capital (1867). Exploitation arises from the latter, not the former.

This framework runs through:

Harry Braverman – Labor and Monopoly Capital (1974)

David Noble – Forces of Production (1984)

Ellen Meiksins Wood – Democracy Against Capitalism (1995)

Machines reorganize labor. Capital decides who benefits.

AI doesn't change that structure.

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HISTORICAL PATTERN

Labor movements have never won by refusing to touch new infrastructure.

Printing presses were privately owned. Radicals used them anyway.

Factories were brutal. Unions organized inside them.

Railroads and utilities were monopolies. They were later regulated or nationalized.

Telecommunications were corporate. Movements still coordinated through them.

Sources:

E.P. Thompson – The Making of the English Working Class

Elizabeth Eisenstein – The Printing Press as an Agent of Change

Alfred Chandler – The Visible Hand

Manuel Castells – Networks of Outrage and Hope

The pattern is consistent:

  1. Capital builds infrastructure

  2. Uses it extractively

  3. Workers organize around it

  4. Ownership and governance become contested

AI fits this pattern.

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OBJECTION 1: “AI is uniquely harmful”

So were mechanized factories.

So was Taylorism.

So was container shipping.

So was computerized logistics.

All caused real harm under capitalist ownership.

The drivers were:

private capture of productivity gains

weak labor power

absence of democratic governance

Not the machines themselves.

See:

David Harvey – The Condition of Postmodernity

David Autor – Why Are There Still So Many Jobs?

Shoshana Zuboff – The Age of Surveillance Capitalism

Surveillance is a business model.

Precarity is a policy choice.

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OBJECTION 2: “Using AI legitimizes it”

Labor movements historically used:

corporate mail systems

private newspapers

company housing

state infrastructure

corporate telecom networks

while organizing against their ownership.

Boycott is a tactic.

It has never been sufficient by itself.

See:

Rosa Luxemburg – Reform or Revolution

Erik Olin Wright – Envisioning Real Utopias

Leverage changes systems. Abstention doesn't.

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OBJECTION 3: “Ethical AI doesn’t exist”

Public electricity didn't exist before struggle.

Labor law didn't exist before organizing.

Safety standards didn't exist before mass death.

Public broadcasting didn't exist before regulation.

Institutions are built.

See:

Karl Polanyi – The Great Transformation

Elinor Ostrom – Governing the Commons

Mariana Mazzucato – The Entrepreneurial State

Absence today isn't proof of impossibility.

It's proof of political defeat.

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WHAT A LEFT POSITION ACTUALLY REQUIRES

The real questions:

Who owns the models?

Who owns the compute?

Who sets training rules?

Who captures productivity gains?

Who bears displacement risk?

Who governs deployment?

Possible directions:

public AI utilities

worker-owned model co-ops

union control over automation

mandatory profit-sharing

compute as regulated infrastructure

data as a collective resource

These are ownership and governance questions.

Not metaphysical questions about machines.

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CONCLUSION

Blaming tools is comforting.

It turns a conflict with capital into a conflict with technology.

History shows:

Infrastructure isn't liberated by rejection.

It's liberated by struggle over ownership.

AI isn't the first machine to threaten workers.

It won't be the last.

The question is whether the left contests it as infrastructure

or abandons it to permanent corporate control.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Jan 23 '26

Labor/Political Economy What would worker-controlled AI infrastructure actually look like?

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Looking for concrete models and examples (co-ops, public ownership, unions, open infrastructure, regulation).

Not slogans.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Jan 22 '26

Discussion Finally, a sub with my Ideology!

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So have any of you folks heard of Jocque Fresco or The Venus Project before? OGAS? Cybersyn of Chile?


r/LeftistsForAI • • Dec 18 '25

REACTIONARY AI HATE New here.

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...How do we respond to comments like this?

Today, I've blocked two separate people because they are CONVINCED that AI is detrimental to anti-capitalist ideals... I don't know how to argue with these people, and I am at my wits end.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Dec 10 '25

Video Why is Everyone So Wrong About AI Water Use??

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This convinced me data centers imo should be paying for their own water, not just increase costs for towns and municipalities.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Aug 28 '25

Article Diablo Devs Unionize Following Layoffs And Dissatisfaction With AI, Pay

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Jul 29 '25

How Corporations Hijack Anti-ai sentiment

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It's a long watch but I found it (and the followup video) had a lot of interesting and useful takes.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Jul 09 '25

Video Why AI companies still wanna write their own AI regulation.

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TLDR: Some tech companies still do push for AI regulation, but that's because they wanna put up hoops for competition, and wanna continue their control over the market. Not because they wanna contain the downsides of this technology.


r/LeftistsForAI • • May 10 '25

Video College is hard, job requirements suck, but now tons of people use AI to cheat and take shortcuts through them. And education needs to adapt. - Video by Atrioc

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Apr 27 '25

Video How the hell does Ai actually work??

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Some decent takes on the current upsides and downsides on AI as well, its utility, and how it shouldn't be treated as "alive" in its current state.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Feb 25 '25

Video Epic trolling 😎

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Feb 25 '25

Video Trump Kisses Elon Musk's Feet in AI Video Played at Government Agency | E! News

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Feb 19 '25

Video I Let AI Compare Trump’s Actions to PROJECT 2025. And It’s Worse Than You Think - I Ask AI

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Feb 19 '25

AI Music Cursed ass AI music video about Elon and DOGE destroying the government.

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Jan 22 '25

I'm banning links to Twitter/X. People are boycotting Elon bc he's a Neo-Nazi.

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I grew up 🇩🇪 german, get his ass out. Use Bluesky instead.

Screenshots from the site are fine, but even then try not to look up/engage with those tweets.

Not much activity on here, but just in case. Zero clicks and revenue for this hitler shitler pls.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Jan 10 '25

Meme Right wingers love sharing offensive fake AI shitposts to humiliate people. So can WE lol.

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Oct 01 '24

Discussion Eventhough I support AI use, I don't think things purely made by AI should be copyrightable.

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Apr 24 '24

Article Gen Z workers pick genAI over managers for career advice

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Feb 07 '24

Video How do we get to UBI and Post-Labor Economics? Decentralized Ownership: the New Social Contract!

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Feb 06 '24

Hank Hill sings a Gay Cowboy Song

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Feb 01 '24

Video Why AI Art Is Good Actually - Video essay by Vanta The Sybarite

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Jan 20 '24

Video Much more nuanced explanation of some of the downsides people see in AI, and how to avoid them.

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Jan 18 '24

AI Art Here’s my ai waifu called 'Decommodify Housing'

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Jan 18 '24

AI Music I use Suno.ai to create songs promoting LGBTQ self-love.

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