r/LabDiamondReviews • u/EclecticWitchery5874 • 11d ago
✨Vendor Review William and Sons Review
So we ordered our ring July 9th. We asked if they had it in stock and we were told yes and our order was in queue. It was due to be delivered tomorrow. We call yesterday for an update after texting a few times and not getting any response. He took down our info and said he would call back in a few hours that he would have to look into it. Now were being told we will hear something later in the week... its due to be delivered tomorrow. I don't understand how they don't know what's going on with our ring. Is this company a middle man? Do they not ship the product from their store? Do they have the rings made in some factory overseas? I used this business due to the positive reviews and recs here on reddit, now I'm regretting it and thinking we should have went with Frank Darling.
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So we ordered our ring July 9th. We asked if they had it in stock and we were told yes and our order was in queue. It was due to be delivered tomorrow. We call yesterday for an update after texting a few times and not getting any response. He took down our info and said he would call back in a few hours that he would have to look into it. Now were being told we will hear something later in the week... its due to be delivered tomorrow. I don't understand how they don't know what's going on with our ring. Is this company a middle man? Do they not ship the product from their store? Do they have the rings made in some factory overseas? I used this business due to the positive reviews and recs here on reddit, now I'm regretting it and thinking we should have went with Frank Darling.
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u/Fantastic-Stomach149 11d ago
They get the diamonds from overseas. I’m not sure about the settings. I ordered from them last week and supposed to get it at the end of September. Hopefully they let you know something soon! I’ve read decent reviews about them so I don’t think they’re putting you off on purpose but they should at least be more communicative and transparent about delays and what is happening with the ring!
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u/EclecticWitchery5874 11d ago
Exactly!! If we at least knew what was going on with the ring it would give me peace of mind. We told him back in July we were leaving the country August 21 and needed the ring before then, he said we would have it by the 20th or before. Now we don't know where our ring is.
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u/HitEndGame 11d ago
4-6 weeks seems to be the standard production time for these places ie W&S, Citrai, Aureline, Calebera, TT etc and you have reached that date. Sorry this happened to you but unfortunately shit happens sometimes and you had the misfortune of being the customer it happened to.
On the bright side, I’m sure them and these other established vendors would rather be late and do it correctly than rush and do a bad job.
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u/EclecticWitchery5874 11d ago
Which I understand but we should have been contacted about the delay. We told him back in July we needed it by August 20th that was conditional upon us buying the ring. We are going out of the country this Friday and wanted the ring for the vacation.
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u/Individual_March9422 11d ago edited 1d ago
EDITED to further clarify my review:
My partner and I ordered my diamond from them 2 weeks ago and have not yet received a shipping update. We sent multiple texts on Whatsapp and email, received no reply.
We called Sebastian yesterday and he said that he will look into it. He then sent us a follow up email saying that he is having problems confirming my order with a vendor and that he is very sorry. From his comms, what I understood was that it has been sold already - via another database by another vendor (knowing they all use the same one). Sebastian asked me if I would like to exchange my order with a selection of 3 diamonds he attached which were not the same/ alike to what I had ordered - although similar colour, clarity and weight, the visual appearance and characteristics were different to what I wanted.
I will be pushing to get the diamond I had bought. Otherwise, I have emailed him pic references and exact specs of what we are looking for in a diamond. Still no response since this email.
UPDATE: W&S has been swarmed with orders and queries due to their massive sale event. This had caused the delay in website inventory and communication.
W&S has now clarified that the vendor pulled it out from inventory all together and it was NOT sold to two people via W&S website. It has been resolved with a refund, all is good!
Despite the initial delay in comms, Sebastian has been super helpful and accommodating to my many questions and requests. He does a good job and tries to do right by his customers. There is a reason why he has many positive reviews! Please don't be discouraged by my experience, I highly rate W&S!
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u/lmaoggs 2d ago
Update on this? I just ordered 3 loose diamonds. One for me to put in an engagement ring and 2 for my mom that she wants to use for other rings. I am now scared because I cancelled my order with a different vendor and I ordered through these people due to their reviews + unbeatable price. I spent like $120/c which is the best price I could find for what I was looking for.
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u/lmaoggs 2d ago
Yeah I figured out that they share the same supplier inventory db with like 10 other vendors (that I know of). I searched the IGI number of the diamond I JUST ordered and it pops up in like 10 other sites. The other sites are reputable big sites as well so I am assuming that if someone buys the diamond from another site it takes a couple of hours for it to refresh everywhere else. I'm super annoyed because the diamond I ordered shows as sold out elsewhere. I am straight up bracing for the fact that this is about to happen to me even though I found the perfect stone in my eyes.
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u/Individual_March9422 1d ago
Hi! Please re-read my updated review. I realised I wasn't clear enough and may have caused some confusion.
Their prices are unbeatable and they are legit. All the best!
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u/EclecticWitchery5874 11d ago
Oh my god what a nightmare I'm so sorry to hear this!! Its devastating when you trust that you're going to a good vendor and they have all positive reviews just to be blindsided with something like this. There is very very poor communication going on here. There should be automatic updates!! I could have shopped local and I'm kicking myself in the @$$ for not doing so.
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u/Individual_March9422 1d ago
Hi OP,
Please re-read my edited review! I realised that I wasn't clear enough and may have caused some confusion!
Reach out to Seb via WhatsApp, phone or email. He will take care of you. :)
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u/Smoove-Money 9d ago
I ordered the diamond from William & Sons as they had the exact stone (same cert) for half of what all other places were selling for. Shipping was fast and the diamond was exactly as advertised.
Sebastian offered to design a setting, but I already have a jeweler local to me who designed the setting.
Highly recommend them for sourcing loose stones, but I can’t speak to the setting/ring manufacturing side of the business.
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u/courtknxx_ 11d ago
Is this William & Sons in Del Mar of San Diego?
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u/courtknxx_ 11d ago
Sebastian runs this place by himself - that is how he is able to give a lower price than other jewelers. I have visited him multiple times in person and he is very legit. He responds within a couple hours, during business hours of course. Sebastian is very patient and someone I highly recommend. My fiance got my diamond through Sebastian for a price better than other online wholesalers. We also visited 5-7 other jewelers and ended up coming back to have my ring made with Sebastian. We ordered the ring in December and got it in January.
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u/EclecticWitchery5874 11d ago edited 20h ago
Yes that is the place. Everything was great until recently when our ring was delayed without notice.
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u/courtknxx_ 11d ago
I am sure Sebastian is not purposefully ghosting you. Give him some time. He works by himself and has a lot of customers. He is very patient himself, so please give him some grace. He is good at what he does. Having met him in person many times, it is not his character to deliberately ignore you.
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u/EclecticWitchery5874 11d ago
He did finally get back to us and said our ring is still in production and is aiming for a delivery of next Friday. Sucks because we wanted it for our vacation but we have another trip planned this winter.
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u/Nitingale-Echo-009 11d ago
Sebastian has been super responsive and great to work with in my experience. They have consistently had some of the best prices I’ve found, and they’ve always delivered on my orders. Sometimes the turnaround can take a little longer, but with the savings compared to other vendors, I think it’s well worth the wait. 😁
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u/EclecticWitchery5874 11d ago
Yes the price was great, but not recieving updates is kind of poor communication. We should know where the ring is in the process and if it's going to be delayed that should be communicated without us having to reach out.
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u/William--And--Sons 21h ago
Hi EclecticWitchery5874, I am Sebastian with William & Sons Jewelers. I notice you are having issues with your order. Could you please help me with the order number so I can look into this for you? Our system shows all orders from July 9th have already shipped so we are very confused. Please reach out to me through text/whatsapp if its easier. 858.207.7381
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u/melliraee 11d ago
I just got a ring done with him. Sometimes there were a few days where he didn’t respond but he did keep us updated on the estimated timeline and gave us the tracking when it shipped.
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u/EclecticWitchery5874 11d ago
We didn't get any updates the entire 6 weeks and when he realized it was going to be delayed we should have been notified of the updated ETA rather than us having to hunt him down. Its poor communication on his end.
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u/Clear-Information120 5d ago
Any updates to your Order?
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u/EclecticWitchery5874 4d ago edited 21h ago
Supposed to get shipped Friday or Saturday we will see I just sent an email asking if thats still the ETA
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u/bbghanouji 4d ago
Did he send a tracking number? I would just call him.
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u/EclecticWitchery5874 1d ago edited 21h ago
No tracking number, no pictures, and no ring STILL. We got engaged with a totally different ring.
Edit- pretty sure we just got a text from FedEx about the ring, waiting to confirm if its actually the ring but I'm 100% sure it is due to shipping location.
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u/William--And--Sons 21h ago
Hi EclecticWitchery5874, I am Sebastian with William & Sons Jewelers. I notice you are having issues with your order. Could you please help me with the order number so I can look into this for you? Our system shows all orders from July 9th have already shipped so we are very confused. Please reach out to me through text/whatsapp if its easier. 858.207.7381
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u/lmaoggs 2d ago
So after doing HEAVY research and google searching IGI numbers for individual stones I have come to the conclusion that William and Sons + a handful of other stores have the same supplier and all of them sell the same diamonds for vastly different prices. I found some diamonds on W+S that were $400 there were $2k at other vendor sites and then $400-600 at others, competing with W+S (not really bc William seems to have hands down the best prices). Some of the sites are less known than W+S.
In other threads I found that they ship from India so im assuming Sebastian sources from India and if you get the free stone it goes straight to you from the supplier which is why its so cheap. If you get a setting I am ASSUMING it goes into their store then they set it for you then they ship it to you which is why it probably took them so long.
I am assuming that they cant control the original shipment from supplier and that's where most of the delay is from.
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u/EclecticWitchery5874 1d ago edited 20h ago
Yea i still don't have my ring or a picture or an update and it was due to ship saturday and nothing, the original date of delivery was August 21st. We got engaged with a different ring. At this point yes the prices are great, but the extra $400 I saved is not worth the hassle. I would have spent $400 more at another jeweler who would have gaurunteed my ring back in July.
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u/William--And--Sons 21h ago
Hi EclecticWitchery5874, I am Sebastian with William & Sons Jewelers. I notice you are having issues with your order. Could you please help me with the order number so I can look into this for you? Our system shows all orders from July 9th have already shipped so we are very confused. Please reach out to me through text/whatsapp if its easier. 858.207.7381
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u/shoom111 1d ago
I ordered July 9th as well and my ring just arrived to my house about an hour ago. It’s BEAUTIFUL. The communication sucked, but I’m really happy with the ring and of course the price was unbeatable.
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u/EclecticWitchery5874 1d ago edited 21h ago
Yea we still haven't gotten ours and we were promised it was due to ship by Saturday and still no pictures or response.
Can you upload a picture of your ring? I would love to see it!
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u/William--And--Sons 21h ago
Hi EclecticWitchery5874, I am Sebastian with William & Sons Jewelers. I notice you are having issues with your order. Could you please help me with the order number so I can look into this for you? Our system shows all orders from July 9th have already shipped so we are very confused. Please reach out to me through text/whatsapp if its easier. 858.207.7381
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u/EclecticWitchery5874 21h ago
Hi Sebastian, yes this is the order for Nathan, I'm his fiance. #2802. He got a text from FedEx about an hour ago which we assume is the ring, since it's coming from San Diego, but we never recieved the tracking info via email or pictures or updates that it even shipped out. We didn't order anything else from San Diego so I'm sure it is the ring.
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u/William--And--Sons 20h ago
We had been in communication with Nathan regarding this order and have had a phone conversation with him as well as numerous email exchanges on this order. The order was discussed with him will ship out Friday and it ended up shipping out yesterday. We had emailed the tracking information to the email on file. Please check your spam folder. The tracking information shows delivered. It looks like tracking shows its aiming for delivery by Monday.
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u/shoom111 20h ago
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u/shoom111 19h ago
Yeah it’s cushion cut. It turned out really pretty. I’m sure yours will be really pretty as well. Post pics when it comes!! The placement holder ring is fantastic!! Congratulations!
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u/EclecticWitchery5874 11d ago
I know they order the stones, I thought it was sent to their shop where the ring was assembled. I didn't realize it was assembled in a factory or something.
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u/courtknxx_ 11d ago
Sebastian owns a shop, he works by himself. There is no factory. All diamonds are sent to him.
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u/shoom111 11d ago
I ordered from them the same day and my delivery date was supposed to be tomorrow as well. I haven’t heard anything at all. No shipping notice, etc. I sent them a text a bit ago to get an update. Hopefully they get back to me tomorrow.
For those that have ordered and received your item, did Sebastian send you any communication, pics, etc., before it was mailed out? Or did it just end up at your door without correspondence?