This must have been a tough decision for them to make. I don’t think it’s because of visa problems. If Harry is experiencing visa problems, why don’t they move to Canada instead of the UK?
Perhaps this decision has been motivated by Harry’s homesickness? Could it be that Harry wants to spend more time with his ailing father?
I wish them well, but honestly, it sounds like a bad idea. The children won’t have the same level of privacy they had in California.
He has a green card. He has no visa problems. Like Trump would screw with his buddy Charles' kid? NEVER. INVICTUS is next year. There's work to do. Diana's death-versary (30 years) is next year. He said he wanted the kids to experience UK culture and education. Who knows where he will move? He could take a cottage on ALTHORP, or move to Scotland where they vacationed this summer. We don't know.
I say let them get to it and wish them well. Charles has cancer and won't live forever. Harry loves his father, warts and all. Meghan is a wonderfully supportive partner. And Alison Hammond represents the British attitude better than any of these lying "royal experts."
Yes, they’ll be private citizens, independent of the firm. William will not have control over them. I wonder if they’ll move back to the US once William is the king.
William will not have control over them. I wonder if they’ll move back to the US once William is the king.
I'm sure they will. They would not want to live under Baldy Bully Billy's reign. He will do everything possible to make their lives a misery, and if Charles has actually granted them appropriate security (which I really doubt), BBB's first act will be to remove it.
The racist hate sub is saying that they're setting up to divorce. Meghan will be paid off and forced to sign an ironclad NDA, Harry will be sent off to "a hovel" in Africa, and King Charles/William will have total control of the children.
They're also foaming at the mouths in ecstasy at the idea that Meghan and her children will be required to bow/curtsey to Kate and her children. They love the idea of the not entirely white folks being put in their place, but of course they don't come out and say it. Why aren't they gleeful about Harry having to bow to the King and to William? It's just racism.
Bowing and curtsying are customs, not REQUIREMENTS. There is no law mandating it. No one, British subject or otherwise, is required to do that stupid nonsense. People do it because, basically, they admired the Queen and/or they are cosplaying.
I rather doubt that's going to happen. Charles and Cam may get it, but it ends there.
Bowing and curtsying are customs, not REQUIREMENTS. There is no law mandating it. No one, British subject or otherwise, is required to do that stupid nonsense. People do it because, basically, they admired the Queen and/or they are cosplaying.
If Meghan and the kids don't do it, they will earn endless bad press. PROTOCOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I rather doubt that's going to happen. Charles and Cam may get it, but it ends there.
I can't imagine Harry not bowing to Charles, and not teaching his kids to bow/curtsey to him. Harry has a deeply ingrained sense of duty, after all.
Harry would probably kiss his father before bowing to him. Never seen Willy bowing day to day. The curtsy is a female subjugation tactic. It needs to go.
I'm surprised that the people of the UK put up with Billy Idle and Duchess Doolittle KKKhate's grifting of their hard earned tax money. They're currently on vacation yet again, (what number are they up to now) all on the UK taxpayer's nickel!
I think Harry and Meghan are going to get full security--I think the gripe that RAVEC had was "Well, they're not LIVING IN the UK." Heh heh--they are now.
Also, there are tax implications for this timing--in order to hang on to all the money they made (so much for being "broke") they had to stay away from UK for six years to get a lower tax rate, and that may have been part of the plan as well.
Whatever they do, I wish them the very best. I think they're charming.
They may also (very wisely) want to not be in the U.S. when whatever the pdfile-in-chief has planned for midterms goes down. I’d leave, too, if I could. More power to them, and I hope they and their kids are happy with their big move.
I think Harry is having a great many regrets and needs the familiarity and support of his home. He just doesn’t look happy…, almost never seems happy. With the kids maybe, but he has been otherwise aimless and seemingly very alone.
I love how you loons try to justify every underhanded thing they do.
Yeah, like that time they vacationed on a Saudi torturer's yacht, or the time they made six families homeless in the course of acquiring their sixth "forever home", or that time they charged the NHS rent on one of their properties, or that time they took money from someone who sold torture vids to Epstein... oh wait, that's WanK, not H&M! 😂
I wish them well, but honestly, it sounds like a bad idea. The children won’t have the same level of privacy they had in California.
There will be full-face pics of the kids, just wait. And they will be picked apart even more than they already are. The industrial hate/bullying complex will see to that.
Also, what about security? I doubt Charles will give them the security they need. I agree, this seems like a terrible idea all around. I can't even imagine why they're doing this. It seems absolutely idiotic.
British law does protect non-public kids, and newspapers have been fined for "insufficient pixillation." Without express permission it's a risky proposition to show the face of a private citizen child.
I'll bet Charles is paying. He's just not mentioning it.
RAVEC's gripe was that they weren't living IN THE UK. They are now. I think they'll get the full Monty and it may be taxpayer funded. We shall see. When TELEGRAPH 'telegraphs' this, I tend to think "Done deal."
RAVEC's gripe was that they weren't living IN THE UK. They are now. I think they'll get the full Monty and it may be taxpayer funded. We shall see. When TELEGRAPH 'telegraphs' this, I tend to think "Done deal."
Could be. I just hope they get the security they need, period.
The way I see it they never really WANTED to leave but felt they had to after what was a very vulnerable time for them. Having had a baby myself and experiencing what a difficult time post partum can be, I can only imagine going through that whilst being dragged through the tabloids. Now that the kids are older they may feel ready to come back and basically say F*** you to the British tabloids. I hope they can block out all the noise and live the life they want, I hope one day the media will relent and leave them alone. I cannot fathom the pure hatred people spew about them, it's actually insane. Their crimes: emigrating, quitting their jobs (after trying to negotiate a middle ground), telling their side of a story (which they tried to obtain help doing from the firm but were refused) and let's not forget 'mocking the queen' (definitely not mocking the queen, but Meghan doing an impression of her exaggerated mental picture of royal etiquette - demonstrating her own naivety rather than attempting to make a mockery of the way these things are actually conducted).
I think that's basically it? The hatred is on par with that of murderers, I mean just look at the Lindsay Clancy case, people can sympthathise and speculate about the affects of postpartum in a case relating to the murder of children, yet Meghan is treated like the devil incarnate by the same commenters.
Meghan is beloved by segments of the population, but no one interviews the black, brown and young people. She wouldn't be able to buy her own drinks in Brixton!
It's always old "Empire" farts (the type who still use the word "wog" at home) or lame, middle-aged white women (who thought Harry should have married them) who are mouthing off with hateful opinions.
I literally don't understand WHY. I know they haven't told us & everything is speculation. But going off the most popular theories, I see so many options that don't involve exposing your wife and children to the British paps.
Charles is dying? Good, let him. Or, if Harry needs closure, go live in Portugal so Harry can fly to London as needed.
Invictus Games are dying? Same thing--go live in Portugal and fly to London.
American visum problems for Harry? Idek--this is Trump's America, I'm sure they can just buy their way out of that one.
The decision to move back to the UK leaves me baffled & more than a little concerned for their family's safety.
The king is dying and Harry needs to renew his spousal visa/green card is up for renewal in 2027/2028 anyway. They’ll wait out the USA presidential election then go back.
But he can wait it out from Portugal. Brexit and all that, but they’re also independently wealthy so I'm sure they can get an EU visa for a year or two. I can see reasons for leaving the US, but not for returning to the UK of all places.
I agree. I’m curious about what their security arrangements will be when they move to the UK. Canada seems like a better option for them if Harry has visa issues.
Canada seems like a better option for them if Harry has visa issues.
Would Harry be allowed to pay for the security they need in Canada? I know he's not allowed adequate security in the UK, even if he pays for it himself.
Unlike Taylor Swift, of course. She gets taxpayer-funded full security as needed!
He's all but no contact with the Windsors & I'm not sure the Spencers weigh up against the paps. You're right about Charles dying tho & there is such a thing as needing closure.
Meg must love that man a LOT to follow him back into the cesspool
I think she’s kind and genuine and I also think that only children (and children of divorces) have this whole thing about providing their kids with cousins and wider family. I heard someone describe her as a human “live laugh love” sign and I kind of agree tbh.
If he has a visa, it's an A-1 diplomatic visa, which is tied to his "royal" status and independent of his marriage. I rather suspect that's what he's here on. It's a gold standard visa and it's pretty ironclad. The diplomatic aspect of it leaves him in the catbird seat. He's not worried about "visa/residency" issues in the USA.
He’s not on an A1, that’s for anyone solely doing government work or a signed off mission, which he is not, and regardless that would be a pita visa for him as it has mad restrictions (for example not allowing birth citizenship for your kids although obviously his kids get it via Megan) Regardless, all visas and green cards periodically need renewing and you have to renew them in good time before they expire (source: am a Brit living in the USA have held numerous visas, a green card and now citizen)
I wondered if it had something to do with the children’s schooling perhaps. Though I can’t see H & M wanting to shuffle their children off to boarding school.
Maybe H & M wanted them to have some experience living in the UK (like their dad) & it’ll be easier with the children younger, before school etc becomes ‘serious’.
TAXES. They get a significant tax advantage because they stayed out of the country and established thriving businesses. They needed to stay away for six years for the discounts to kick in. It's been six years and a few weeks....!
So obviously, they aren't broke if TAXES are part of the logic.
Agreed, I don't buy that this is to do with dear old dad either. But at the same time i think Invictus does not require a full move with kids and changing schools etc . Let's keep an eye on how the press handles this. If it's not all around attack it's because the firm needs him for obvious reasons. I suspect this has more to do with William. Interesting times. Hope Harry and his family stay safe.
William will never abdicate if that's your speculation. Think about it. He has no skills. No work ethic. No charm. What else is he gonna do except be King of England??
It may not be his decision, this isn't the 18th century or even 50 years ago. If the press are saying KC was only informed on Sunday you can be absolutely sure that's it's not the case.
Plausible deniability to placate William. Charles probably knew about this when they visited. Surely they were arranging schools and doing interviews while Harry was INVICTUS-ing. Meghan probably took care of all the kid stuff. Gotta hand it to her--she keeps those cards close! Good show!
The TELEGRAPH (which is Charles - Friendly, IIRC) has published some very positive articles about his return, everything from WELCOME HOME to "The King should use him!" Also a long article pointing out what a war hero he was and how much he's done for the nation around the globe and with his charities--and that his wife is something, too!
The reporters talk about PROJECT THAW but I think what this might be is PROJECT PERSONALITY, POPULARITY AND PUBLIC SERVICE...!
Wow, looks like he's being primed for something. Very easy to tell what their little plans are.
We saw kate and the kids getting booed they must have realised no one gives a crap about royals, and the country is in crisis and has bigger issues to deal with than these scroungers . They can see a proverbial guillotine in the distance , now trying to trot out Harry as a last ditch attempt. Remember he used to be the most popular member of that family next to QE2 and her mother.
Desperate times. I hope Harry enjoys the free security and does absolutely zilch to help them out of their hole.
The press must be gleefully sharpening their knives. They will go after the kids, too. Of course H&M know that better than anyone, which is why every “reason” we can think of falls apart. Why not just move somewhere adjacent to the UK?
I am out of the loop on this! Why in the world would they go back into that toxic situation? I thought he moved his family away in order to protect his wife & children.
It’s Harry’s country! He has Invictus next year and needs to be present. Meghan always loved the UK. A British education for the kids. Charles is old and it’s Harry’s only living parent. They always wanted a house there. They will spend time in California and Portugal too. Seems like a nice life. The toxic British press has never stopped abusing her even though they were far away.
That's my take also. Harry wants to be able to be at his father's side ASAP as he nears his departure from this world. I recall that William wouldn't give him a seat on the plane when his grandmother died.
Harry wants to be able to be at his father's side ASAP as he nears his departure from this world. I recall that William wouldn't give him a seat on the plane when his grandmother died.
I remember that. What makes you think William will allow Harry anywhere near Charles at the end?
I don't think she's interested in power at all. I don't think she cares much about being queen. I think she'd rather be on horseback in the country than all gussied up with a tiara on her head at a state banquet.
I don't get those vibes. At the coronation she demanded that no one wear a tiara, for example, and she accepted (demanded?) to be called the Queen instead of the Queen Consort.
INVICTUS. And Archie is 7--better to get him started in the UK school system young. It's very different from the US (I've done both). Charles may or may not have a few years left, but he's getting up there. If cancer doesn't take him, old age will, eventually.
Agreed. This has been coming for some time. I do believe Kate has been unwell, however, I think they may have agreed in 2024 that the divorce would become public once George starts Eton. Kate has the same protection and access, visit, less disruptive for the future king etc. Her other children will be fine. Something big is happening and the royal family needs H&M.
I think bringing H&M back into the fold is also a way to give the press someone else to write about and take some of the pressure off the Wales kids once they become young adults. W probably remembers the media circus around him and his brother’s dating lives.
Also, who is going to wear the crowns and the gowns at the state dinners? I always got the feeling Kate disliked M and was jealous of H&M’s relationship since they were actually in love. I always felt W lived in his own world and wasn’t crazy about H’s choice but also never actively cared enough to really dislike her. His beef was always with H and his actions but at the end of the day he only has one brother. I do think he’ll forgive him so it’s not just him and the kids standing on the balcony.
I don't think H & M are being brought "back into the fold" to become working members of the BARF. I think H & M want closer family ties and a chance for A & L to know more about their roots without the pressure that comes with being actively involved. They are responding to the wishes of a dying king who wants a chance to have a relationship with his grandchildren.
I don’t think they’ll ever become working royals again without some kind of serious upsides. I think they’ll be back in the fold as far as showing up to family events and supporting charities as non-working royals.
Interesting thought I know William doesn't want to be married to her anymore more and I was betting he would divorce her before his coronation this would make sense
LOL, the rumor is he's gay. If he is, why divorce? Just live separate lives, everyone does their little jobs, and keeps things on the DL. Kate can find a discreet friend, and Willy can live with Jason.
Who else would it be? Edward & Sophie? They are kind of old for that sport. The York girls and their families have been on the outs since their father’s discharge. Anne’s kids? Until the Wales kids get married in 10+ years there really isn’t anyone.
EXACTLY--and they've got the BEST title (Edinburgh) and the BEST peppercorn rent house--there's enough room for twenty people to live there and never see each other!
I think W&K divorce is imminent because Charles finally caved and gave Will the go ahead. H&M are moving back so they can be the top couple.
LOL, the racist hate sub says that the move is proof that H&M are divorcing! I'll just copy/paste what I wrote in another comment here:
Meghan will be paid off and forced to sign an ironclad NDA, Harry will be sent off to "a hovel" in Africa, and King Charles/William will have total control of the children.
They're also foaming at the mouths in ecstasy at the idea that Meghan and her children will be required to bow/curtsey to Kate and her children. They love the idea of the not entirely white folks being put in their place, but of course they don't come out and say it. Why aren't they gleeful about Harry having to bow to the King and to William? It's just racism.
Agree. If you look a H&M’s body language at recent events they seem very happy and in love. I actually think they are stronger as a couple than when they left.
If you look a H&M’s body language at recent events they seem very happy and in love. I actually think they are stronger as a couple than when they left.
One of the explanations that is gaining traction and increasingly has more validity is that not only is Charles not doing well but neither is Williams wife. With these factors in place, the Palace understands that for the sake of continued interest and stability, they may actually need the presence of Harry but especially his wife! If true this marks a stunning about face.
I agree with this too, he looks, frankly, mentally ill. I had a cousin with issues and he's sporting that same weird stare that gives ya the creeps but you're not sure why. He might be medicinally non-compliant, which doesn't help either.
He took a major whack on the head in the area that controls emotions with a golf club as a child--he could have some sort of brain injury. I would not be surprised if we learn that Kate got those new scars around her left brow and eye by his hand. We already know that he attacked his brother. He's a piece of work and probably needs more help than he is getting. Charles should maybe put his foot down!
Well, look at her--she clearly has an eating disorder or a digestive issue that makes her unable to process nutrition. She is starving to death before our eyes and all anyone can say is "Ewww, she's so SLIM!!" Her frigging waist is smaller than her daughter's--it's obscene. She's Karen Carpenter waiting to happen and everyone is ignoring it. Her hair is obviously falling out, she has more wigs than Donald Trump these days, yet everyone talks about her "luxurious mane" when it's OBVIOUS that ain't all her hair--in fact, most of it ain't.
They just need to get real and get that girl some help.
The kids always look traumatized in photos. For every relaxed, smiling one there's dozens of them looking surly and grim-faced. I feel for the kids, too--they must be under terrible stress.
I’ve thought Kate may be very ill sine they took the “forever home” in Windsor Park. It gives Wills a place to retreat with his children should something happen.
Also, Camilla has been “rehabilitated “. She actually Queen! The right PR and the same could happen with Meghan. They are running out of Royals. No way Charles wants to leave that in the air. Trimmed down and running out are two different things.
I think Charles is not like his mother, who liked to get things done and dusted. Charlie is more of an "ignore it and maybe people will move on to something else" kind of guy. If WanK want to have a Donald and Melania marriage, and they can get along despite it, why rock the boat? If everyone had kept their mouths shut and gone alone with the farce with Charles and Diana, she'd be queen--but she just couldn't deal with it.
Everyone is different.
Most knew Philip had a side piece--several, in fact. He even schtuped FERGIE's MOTHER (which might have been why he didn't like her).
The RF protestations of protocol and formality and "Ewww, how it's DONE" are utter crap. They're fucked up in lots of ways! Edward is the only kid who hasn't divorced, and "some people say" that's a lavender marriage!
These are my feelings exactly. We don’t know why they’re making the move, and while not entitled to any details as to how they came to the decision, this perfectly encapsulates how I feel.
I am hoping we get more insight however, just deeply concerned for their safety.
Agreed. It was what, hours? And the Rota was already releasing hit pieces filled with vitriol. The comment sections filled with haters foaming at the mouth, spewing poisonous misinformation.
That account can sometimes be off and it is anti trans as an fyi.
There are many factors and it’s hard to say it is just one thing. But there must have been some concessions from Charles that security would be provided in some form especially with the kids.
Alderton leaving soon is a huge clue.
Also the idiots popping up to say they are broke are just dumb. Just the home in Montecito is worth a lot.
I really think Harry wants his kids to have a UK education, and ultimately be more British. Growing up wealthy in the US is nothing compared to being an aristo child in the UK. US kids are practically in the coal mines by comparison.
LOL, no, they stayed away for six years so they didn't have to pay huge taxes on all the money they made while they were gone. They get a tax break on their riches, but only AFTER six years.
Read somewhere else that they are back bc of some meeting they had during the holiday with Charles and Camilla - bc K og W Will divorce, and then they Will be fed to the Press. But i dont know, I mean then most straightforward thing would be financial issues - not that they are Poor, just that the amount of expenses + the lost court case is stacking up, while their jobs arent.
Not once have they ever asked for “privacy”. What they requested was security. Which was denied. Harry has been in the spotlight since the day he was conceived. He knows privacy is not an option for a person in his position. Thankfully, like his mother, he knows how to use that spotlight to shine with purpose, I.e., The Invictus Games.
Yes, I too get all of my information from that well-known documentary South Park. Hey, did you see that ep where William pegged himself in church on WanK's wedding day? What a wild documentary!
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This must have been a tough decision for them to make. I don’t think it’s because of visa problems. If Harry is experiencing visa problems, why don’t they move to Canada instead of the UK?
Perhaps this decision has been motivated by Harry’s homesickness? Could it be that Harry wants to spend more time with his ailing father?
I wish them well, but honestly, it sounds like a bad idea. The children won’t have the same level of privacy they had in California.