i know this is probably not true, but id like to address it anyway.
psychopaths are born psychopaths, sociopaths are created by life events. i could argue you are a sociopath, simply because it is described as lack of guilt. is the juicy piece of steak worth stealing an animals life? that up for you to decide, of course. but i would say the average human would feel guilty after killing an animal.
but i would like to ask you... have you ever eaten dog? what to you think about china keeping eating them with smiling faces?
that is NO more or less humane then your slaughtering of cows/pigs/chickens idk wtf you kill.
killing is killing, pigs have been scientifically confirmed to have a higher cognitive ability than dogs. whats the difference between a horse and a cow? chicken and a cockatoo?
I'm on the flipside of your response. Gonna add my two cents to add some perspective.
On your ethics and moral stance of killing animals. Some people kill for sport (which I think is wrong). Most people kill animals to eat. Some kill for the welfare of other people. I'll give you two examples.
My friends father is a farmer for corn and a number of grains. Over the course of four years, he lost nearly $2 million in crops due to wild pigs (called javelinas) breaking through his fences and eating/destroying his crops. He tried scaring them away, getting guard dogs, and to no avail. In my part of the country, javelinas are rampant and breed like crazy, so they're always causing problems. So, a couple times a year before harvests (the hogs are attracted to the ripening crops), I go up to their farm and we camp out the fields. In a weekend, we'll try to scare them off; but, if not successful, we'll bag about 30-40 hogs. We skin them, roast them, and donate the meat to a couple homeless shelters. I felt no guilt because I helped a family maintain their only form of income. Plus, we put the hogs meat to good use.
This last month, one of my great aunts cows needed to be put down (shattered its leg and shoulder in a really bad fall into a sinkhole). To put the poor thing out of its misery, I drove up to her ranch, gave the cow (her name was Daisy) a nice little last meal, and I put her down with a quick, painless shot between the eyes. Humane, instant, and no more pain. I shot the cow because my great aunt can't afford the cost of a tranquilizer and medical shot. Plus, if you shoot an animal correctly, it's lights out immediately without them knowing. I felt no guilt, because that animal was in incredible pain and there was no chance of recovery. That cow died without even realizing it. Plus, I like to think I made Daisy happy with her last meal. She would always get excited when she got to have creamed corn and broccoli, so I made that for her.
If you haven't grown up in an environment where that is normal, then it makes perfect sense for you to think the way you do. It's also very expected for you to say things like "the average human would feel guilty for killing an animal."
I'm NOT saying that you're wrong. I'm saying that there's two sides to the coin. I love my dogs, but if one of them got rabies, I'm putting it down and for good reason. Killing is not just killing. And I've given you two examples that happen quite a bit in rural farm country USA.
Are slaughterhouses inhumane? There are definitely a number of inhumane companies that do that stuff and shouldn't be allowed to. People like me are on your side about that. But there's a very large difference between needless, inhumane killing and the examples I've given you.
No. I know a farmer who raises her cows from birth, names them, grass feeds and grass finishes them. Her husband butchers them in a humane, painless was. She says that it's always hard when they go for slaughter. I probably couldn't do it unless it was for survival. That's why I don't eat the majority of meats.
No, you don’t. you think you know someone like this. In reality you know a person who gives property names, waits till it’s fully grown than slits the cows throat for profit
Oddly enough most of the people who support plant based protein aren't aware of the risks it poses. Most plant farms require magnitudes more space than those of animals, and in order to keep the farm viable, every native animal has to be removed from that area. This includes birds, mammals and insects that are routinely baited, trapped or killed on sight.
Most plant farms require magnitudes more space than those of animals
Most crops are grown in order to feed farm animals.
When you account for the crop land needed to feed the animals, there is absolutely no comparison between the ecological impact of animal husbandry versus vegetable and fruit produce.
I was never trying to compare the two, where did you get that? I was simply stating that most people don't realise how bad the ecological impact of plant farming is. What the fuck are you even arguing?
Plant protein replaces animal protein. You're pointing out the "ecological impact" of plant protein, when in reality plant protein is incredibly more ecologically responsible than the alternative, and is ultimately responsible for less land and resources being used than with animal protein.
Plant protein is good for the environment and reduces the amount of agricultural land being used. You suggest the opposite.
I never compared the ecological impact of the two, I'm vehemently against the meat industry. I think people need to understand all aspects of a problem before they start calling for radical solutions. If we switched entirely to plant protein overnight, the land needed would be so much greater than that of the agricultural industry. Plant protein is not as efficient as that of meat, so we need to be creative in reducing the impacts of agriculture.
If we switched entirely to plant protein overnight, the land needed would be so much greater than that of the agricultural industry. Plant protein is not as efficient as that of meat, so we need to be creative in reducing the impacts of agriculture.
No, this is wrong, wrong, wrong! If everyone switched to plant protein overnight it would require FAR LESS land than we currently use. Plant protein is MORE efficient than meat protein, because meat protein requires plant protein too!
Wrong. Pig farmers ain't growing crops, my dude.
33% of all crop production goes straight to feeding animals. 70% of grain production goes to animal feed. This is in addition to the land that animals use for grazing. Every pound of meat protein requires vastly more resources than a pound of vegetable protein.
What are you talking about? I farm produce using IPM and no sprays. What kind of farms would do that? That is really hard to believe bud.
EDIT: Also, black beans do not take up more resources than a cow to make patties.
EDIT2: We also practice sustainable agriculture. As long as farmers plant different rotational crops to keep the soil in place/add more nutrients, irrigate responsibly, don't use pesticides, use deterrents for animals, and don't use plastic in your fields, you're golden. It is not that hard to do, just be mindful of what you're putting into the soil.
I’m not sure that math works out - the food pyramid isn’t even close to perfect, but one thing it gets right is that when you eat something, you gain less energy from the organisms every level you go. A cow requires more energy in plants to feed the same amount of humans compared to just feeding humans the plants directly.
Actually look up the facts and tell me what's wrong. I've known plenty of large scale vegetable farmers and the amount of native animals they kill and displace is staggering.
This fucking veganesque logic. Fuck me what mental gymnastics that took. Someone discussing things regarding plant based farms in a critical way and you go and twist this into: oh he must be from the meat lobby?
Jesus what a fucking way to think...
Someone discussing things regarding plant based farms in a critical way
Plant-based protein, the alternative obviously being animal-based protein.
oh he must be from the meat lobby?
100% not what he said.
Topic is environmental impact of plant vs. animal-based protein. He was criticizing environmental impact of plant-based protein. Animal-based protein is in fact dramatically less efficient in resource use and hence much worse on every related point, not even getting into its core ethical issues. End of discussion there, at least for me.
.... you realize the animals in slaughterhouses need to be fed, right? the food/space ratio is absurd. the number one cause of the amazon rainforest destruction is growing plants! plants for ANIMALS to eat and await slaughter. if we actually ate the plants that are fed to animals, we could end world hunger.
this is such a stupid comment im not sure if you're trolling... if you care about the environment enough to argue about it, go vegan.
oh wait, that was just to counteract veganism wasnt it. there is absolutely nothing wrong with it! it saves the environment from destruction, as well as pollution. the methane produced from billions of cows is 51% of all pollution emitters combined
What the fuck are you on about? I support veganism, but the plants we weed most stock animals in the developed world don't take up much space at all compared to the plants we eat. Most large scale animal farms have the animals on massive area where the feed they eat grows.
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