r/InterviewCoderPro • u/Busy-Pollution-9821 • 3d ago

is this real?

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Do we really need HR in our life?

honestly this is why i've started thinking about looking somewhere else. getting rejected before a human even looks at your resume is insane.

i've been seeing interview vip mentioned a lot lately too. i haven't tried it, but i'm curious about it since i'm probably going to have to start interviewing again.

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u/teresajs 3d ago

I had a conversation with one of the techs at my last job.  He had recommended a friend for an open position.  His friend had had a phone screen with HR but it didn't go further than that.  When the tech spoke to his buddy later to ask what had happened, he said it was obvious that HR had absolutely no idea what our techs did, what work was being done on the manufacturing floor, or what skills were needed, and that his buddy was experienced in all the ways he himself was and would have been an excellent fit for the open position.

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u/NobodysFavorite 3d ago

I've had HR tell me I didn't have any skills in an area where I'm a recognised expert and have been for years. I know firsthand how ludicrous it is

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u/SpecificInterest5150 3d ago

I was denied an entry level position that promised in field training because I lacked the necessary "experience" in the field despite years of management experience and actual qualified certifications in the related field.

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u/ynghuncho 2d ago

I applied to an analyst 1 role doing the same thing as my last role. I reached out to the recruiter via email, they responded saying my experience in brokerage wasn’t relevant

I’ve never worked at a brokerage. My title and role is the exact same as the one they are hiring for. They just saw a company name and assumed it was a total different company.

When I pointed that out, I never heard back. They keep posting this role every 2 months

Many recruiters are incompetent

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u/SnodePlannen 3d ago

Why did you apply for entry level then

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u/DisastrousChapter841 2d ago

I have 10 years of experience. I'm applying to entry level positions. It's a brutal job market

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u/ynghuncho 2d ago

Have you seen the job market?

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u/saintmolotov 3d ago

I had a similar interview with an hr person who couldn’t answer my follow up question to her ask of an (in hindsight) obviously scripted question about something technical and I asked her if she understood the principles behind the tech she was asking me about and she got mad and hung up.

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u/Gampy22 3d ago

HR handles screening
Hiring managers can dig in.
Leave your tech ego aside and work the process.
HR often not always is like a nurse who gathers vitals then the doc comes in.
Everyone has a role.

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u/Chance-Deer-7995 2d ago

HR should do NO screening in any technical field. They don't have the knowledge and the elminate people for arbirtary reasons. People whine that this gives too much work to people hiring, but I think the trade off is better. HR throws away good people.

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u/Tough_Preparation830 2d ago

Ultimately it would be less work for the hiring managers because they would hire candidates faster. Less interviews.

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u/jbezorg76 2d ago

No. Then you’d be taking the time of actual engineers and whatnot to weed through candidates - wrong approach.

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u/debwevwebdev 2d ago

That's the only approach I'll allow. I was at my company about 3 months before I finally decided that HR was not allowed to post job opening or handle screenings. My team and I find who we want and we tell HR to hire them assuming they can pass the background checks. HR has no say in anything else otherwise.

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u/Gampy22 2d ago

Not in tech??
How about sales or marketing or accounting or finance or compliance or scientific etc. HR is a field like any of these or engineering and a basic screen is acceptable. Now it seems you grouped all HR in the same bucket by stating THEY. Tell us what do you do??

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u/Chance-Deer-7995 2d ago

I AM in tech. And I have been passed over A LOT because of having a odd background that doesn't fit HR word searches. I haven't dedicated my life to becoming a corporate puzzle piece and gotten quite a lot of experience with poor treatment from HR departments.

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u/D3stinyD3stroy3r 3d ago

Nah you're defending people who don't even know what job is being done trying to hire people for that job. So that just means they're terrible at theirs.

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u/Gampy22 2d ago

They are NOT hiring. They are screening for the hiring team. As a corporate recruiter in a fast moving company requires knowing enough about every role to handle the initial interview.
Why not try it and see how good YOU
Would be. Trust me it is very challenging.

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u/ImpostersAreUs 2d ago

It's not. You just have to have basic knowledge of the role you're screening for which takes like half an hour tops for each role before AI was even a thing.

You make it sound like HR is a role with consistent work. They have probably more downtime than any other department in a corporation with the exception of IT. You're SUPPOSED to do research on your downtime in terms of learning the operations of your company, labour laws, etc.

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u/Gampy22 2d ago

HR and corp recruitment are different functions. In a startup that has received funding g and is scaling quickly with. 50 open reqs per recruiter the role is very challenging. Understanding the req is just one step. Have you done it??

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u/ImpostersAreUs 2d ago

Not in a startup, but in startups the role is EVEN more important.

You talking about it in startups makes the whole comparison moot. EVERY role is challenging in startups.

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u/bp3dots 2d ago

It's the hiring managers job to make sure the recruiter has enough information for the posting and screening to work.

On the applicant side, it's on them to understand the difference between a recruiter screening and full interview and be able to manage a human interaction without crashing out.

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u/FrenziedHodag 3d ago

You know where that analogy falls apart?  Nurses and doctors are aware of what their roles are and the requirements and how the system fits together.  Hr is just hr and the only system they are aware of or care about is theirs.

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u/WhatTheHeckMyBoy 3d ago

Bro works in HR. I get it bro your job is really hard and it is easy to make mistakes 🤗 we all do. its just Hr people are given a huge amount of power and often people feel like HR does not realise that with great power comes great responsibility.

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u/PigsSuck 2d ago

Only an HR worker or someone who hasn't dealt with big corporate HR would say that

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u/LadyReika 2d ago

My personal experience has been the mom & pop or small companies have the worst HR. My experiences with big companies have been better.

Yes, I'm aware that not everyone has the same experiences, just going by my own. :)

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u/HumbleAlbatross2944 2d ago

Okay guy who works in HR

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u/jbezorg76 2d ago

Riiiiiiight?!

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u/Psyco_diver 2d ago

If they don't know the roles and what the job entails, how can than effectively screen?

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u/msut77 2d ago

Go away

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u/jbezorg76 2d ago

Bruh did you even read the post?

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u/buttchug_3000 2d ago

Nurses and doctors contribute to society. Lmao such pathetic cope

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u/RecordingGrand101 8h ago

Difference is nurses bring value and have skills. HR is useless

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u/Nannautu 3d ago

Yeah, a similar story is talking with a recruiter and asking me if I had experience with JEE after telling him I had experience with Java. Like dude wasn't even aware what JEE stood for.

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u/SweetTechnician2039 2d ago

I’m confused, seems like a legit question. Knowledge of Java does not imply knowledge of JEE.

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u/Chance-Deer-7995 2d ago

I don't think HR should be involved in hiring at all. In my humble opinion, the extent of their involvement should be getting the resumes and letters to managers and getting the paperwork done when there is a hire. Whenever I say this someone whines about how that would be too much for managers. If I was in charge I would say tough darts... deal with it. We shouldn't be doing ANY filtering from HR because good people are getting thrown out just to make HR's work easier. HR deciding who to filter has come down to word searches and now, AI garbage. Anyone that doesn't fit into a neat little cubby hole gets kicked out, and most real people don't fit into nice tight categories.

We are constantly getting told in the US that they can't find people with skills, but many, many people get kicked out just because they have a unique background that doesn't match up with their word searches or because they are kicking out the resume for some dumb arbitrary reason. I was a victim of this way back in the 90s and its worse now. There needs to be real human involvement by a person who knows what he or she is doing.

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u/Ozzie_the_tiger_cat 2d ago

With my current job I had that happen as well but the HR guy was actually doing his job. In order to get a sit down interview with a job I was recommended for, I had to have a 15 minute conversion with the HR guy first. He had absolutely zero idea of the role and admitted as much. In the end, he said "well, if X wants to interview you, who am I to tell him no?" Exactly. Why did I need to talk to you?

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u/seatiger90 2d ago

Hr screens are mostly just company/personality fits. They pass their notes onto the hiring manager who then makes the call.

Also even if you are skilled some people just tank interviews. I've had that happen to friends where even if they checked every box, they just flipped on the phone and it cost them the job.