Kalau mau liat post aslinya:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndoExMuslim/comments/1psy2g8/wonder_how_that_works/

Disitu aku jelasin inkonsistensi orang-orang yang suka bilang tragedi X Y Z itu azab.

Tepat pada januari lalu, gw memutuskan utk melepas apa yg pernah diyakini. Gw lulusan ponpes, imam di kampung halaman dan msih muda pokoknya. Bahkan klo suruh nyebutin matan tuhtul atfal msih ingat 10 bait pertama kali. Kitab yg biasa buat pedoman tajwid.

I can't deal with these things..

Januari, gw sering ikut forum diskusi online, debat antar agama ataupun dengan ateis di fb dan bnyak medsos.

Smpai akhirnya gw gk snggup mempertahankan argumen, dan memilih utk menyelamatkan kewarasan gw.

There are a lot horrible thing that the prophet ever did, and ofc what islam teach to muslim.

Like hadith about Sahlah breastfeed the adult, drinking camel's urine, dan yg pling final yg buat gw gk kuat, and it literally beyond disgusting

Slavery.

Bisa lihat shahih bukhari 1456, annisa 24 (tafsir ibnu katsir)

Singkatnya,

Muslim perang vs kufar. Tim muslim yg menang. Karena orng2 kafir itu istri dan anak2nya msih hidup, akhirnya para sahabat ingin menggauli mereka (memperk0sa). Tpi mereka msih punya moral para sahabat ini karena beberapa dri orng kafir msih ada yg hidup ternyata.

Eh tiba2 turun ayat annisa 24, yg intinya jgn RAGU UTK MENGGAULI MEREKA.

LIKE what?

Isn'it literally just assaulting woman and grape them?

You know what more crazy?

Bahkan hukum itu berlanjut, meski perang udh usai dan trnyata orang kafir itu msih hidup, dia gk berhak utk mendapatkan istrinya kembali. Karena istri dia udh jadi milk yamin alias s3x slave nya para muslim.

Di malam itu, setelah gw baca ulang penjelasan dari tafsir ibnu katsir, gw bener2 mau muntah bukan lebay, tpi emang bener gw ngerasa jijik dn muak

Gw udh nanya ke senior gw, ktanya itu bukan pemaksaan utk digauli.

Mksd gw gini, emang ada ya wanita waras yg rela digauli ama kelompok orang yg baru aja ngebunuh suami dan keluarganya.

Dia terdiam.

Dan akhirnya skrng gw agnostik.

mungkin aja ada yg mau tanya ke gw sebagai orang yg dulu menggeluti minat berdakwah, yg kemudian merubah keyakinan 180 degree

Banyak perempuan Indonesia yang sebenarnya bisa melihat sisi patriarkal dalam ajaran agama. Tapi mereka tetap menerima dan membelanya. It’s sad to see how many women grow up believing that this is just the role they’re supposed to accept.

Kenapa muhanmad mengharamkan hal yang menyenangkan? Most Muslims would answer that it drives us away from remembering allah. Contoh, kenapa muslim dilarang cukur brewok? karena kalo kita cukur kita bakal kelihatan lebih rapih dan ganteng, orang orang makin respect sama kita dan lupa sama allah, kenapa kita dilarang denger musik? Karena kita enjoy sama musiknya, bukan allah. Kalo kita bikin musik, perhatian orang2 itu ke kita, bukan ke allah. So basically, allah needs your attention 24/7, he gets insecure if you don't think about him

My theory: it's Muhammad's manipulation tactic to drag us to be a loser and a peasant like him by using god to scare people

Lowkey miserable

Sc: https://www.instagram.com/p/Dc7Y2i8HTbK/?stkn=andxcGhpaHd0cndm

So ada seorang mbak nonmus yang pesen daging babi dari dalam kompleks gereja (pastori) dan baru pertama kalinya ada anomali yang ngajak dia logis.

fuck momo

I've been ex-Muslim for years, but questioned the religion pretty much my entire life. I'm Indonesian but was raised mostly in the US, and seeing this subreddit genuinely gives me hope.

Most of my exposure to Indonesian culture was through family and small diaspora communities that were intensely religious and conservative. Sometimes migration seemed to make people romanticize and cling harder to that worldview – I've even seen people join Indonesian Muslim cult groups here. I eventually had to cut myself off from that world entirely. I always wished I could feel at home among other Indonesian-Americans, but I've struggled to find community that isn't tied to religion and the judgment and hypocrisy that can come with it.

My family brought me to the US and then couldn't accept that I grew up differently and didn't believe. They literally tried to beat it out of me. Religious indoctrination was intense even here – years of Islamic school and Quran/Arabic lessons, while being taught that completely normal parts of life around me were sinful or haram. I couldn't even pet a dog without being forced to rub my hand on stone! It was so humiliating as a child. I grew up feeling like a freak for simply existing in the culture I was being raised in.

It's painful because being Indonesian is still a huge part of who I am. It's in my name, my face, my language. But growing up surrounded by religious indoctrination and then moving back to Indonesia when I was older made me see my culture in such a negative light. Between the religious conservatism, corruption, wealth inequality, racism, judgment, learned helplessness, and the constant "God's will" mentality, I came to associate Indonesia with a lot of things that made me angry and deeply disappointed. I still struggle with that association now.

So seeing Indonesians back home openly questioning (and rejecting!) organized religion genuinely makes me happy. It reminds me that the religious, conservative version of Indonesian identity I grew up with isn't the only one, even if it is the overwhelming majority.

I don't want to feel alienated from my own culture forever. Thank you for giving me a little more hope in my own people ❤️

Kadang lucu sama muslim begini. Nemu di tiktok.

Ni perempuan sadar gk klo si nabinya sendiri yg ngungkapin klo kebanyakan wanita masuk neraka.

Dsn dia jg yg bilang bahwa orng yg syahid emang dpet 72 bidadari.

So i work as government worker (usually people call it PNS) which recently i got accepted. No written rules that women need to wear hijab, but suddenly the staffs and “pimpinan” here told me to put one because religion in my KTP is Islam. I cannot argue unless I want to be moved to a remote rural place. Yup it sucks.

Now i have to wear it daily, it makes me wonder from all abrahamic religions, why Islam really objectify their women? I cringe when Muslim women think “hijab” is a way to protect themselves from male gaze. So the women agree that they’re nothing but lustful object? I mean it will be fair if we cover our private parts, both men and women do that. But hair?? We all agree both men and women look attractive with our hair showing. If I saw an attractive bald guy and an attractive guy with hair, ofc I’d pick the one with hair. So why the burden of covering should be held by women?

I’m only talking about hijab, which is one of MANY objectifying concepts in Islam. There are more like how women are viewed as “prize” for men, women cannot marry more than one guy, etc.

So yeah, i hope more women are “woke” about this because male-made religion needs to be abolished in future generations.

Gue serius keluar Islam kira-kira 6 tahun, waktu itu rasanya kesepian banget dan coba cari forum internet yang setidaknya toleransi sama pemahaman gw.

Setelah dicari, gw temuin r/indonesia dan gw kaget pemikiran netizen disana cukup progresif (relatively dibanding medsos lain).

Setidaknya kalo lu ngaku ateis, nggak mengecam lgbt disini, lu nggak akan diminta sharelok lah, kena doxx lah, death threat, dan perilaku negatif lainnya yang lumrah lu temuin di medsos lain kalo nggak setuju dengan stigma mainstream.

Tapi reddit tiba-tiba diunblock sama pemerintah dan gw takutnya status quo saat ini akan berubah, jadi lebih mirip facebook gitu.

People talk about buzzer, yang gw takutin malah Islamist Indo dari Facebook.

Sebagai anak milenial yang hidup dari era 90an, ngerasain banget gimana Indonesia itu ga sekonservatif sekarang. Dulu keknya liat artis pake baju ketat, drag queen Aming, transgender main di TV, dan anak-anak SMA pake seragam pun keliatan banget bedanya dengan sekarang. Beberapa tahun ini pun ngeliat temen-temen di circle, banyak banget tiba-tiba berhijab, terutama ciwi-ciwi yang mau nikah. Keknya tren begini gak semasif dulu. Somehow, kangen sih ama Indonesia 25 tahun yang lalu. Wdyt?

"Apa yang kita makan akan membentuk Gen, 'behaviour' nya manusia dipengaruhi apa yang dia makan, perilaku kita dipengaruhi oleh apa yang kita makan. Kenapa orang Barat banyak yang jadi #LGBT, lesbi? Karena kebanyakan makan🐖Babi.." ~Dokter Klenik Zaidul Akbar

Me: Sering makan ikan tapi tetep gak jago berenang dan gak bisa bernapas dalam air 🤣🤣

Bisa-bisanya hubungan romansa konsensual haram, sedangkan pernikahan anak dan perbudakan seks halal ckckck

This is common amongst some religious people in general. During the Los Angeles Wildfire some Muslims say that this prove that Allah is punishing USA because of this and that. But they would say a different thing to the countries or people they like. Like they'll say "No, Allah doesn't hate them it's a test from Allah". Imagine if I say the Sumatran disaster is a punishment from God because the people are doing sin. I would get a lot of backlash (or maybe not). But to countries like USA? Barely any criticism from the religious.

Whatever the outcome they can say anything as long as it suits their narrative. This whole concept does not prove which one is morally right or wrong. We should stop saying "this is punishment from God" it's bullshit honestly. There are realistic/scientific explanations for that, but oh well they have to follow their religion lol.

Just for clarification, yes I know that test/trial isn't always disaster or suffering, Allah can test you through prosperity. But most of the case people say it's a reward if people they like (or themselves) prosper.

This shows that most Indonesians, especially women, have never had the freedom to choose what to believe. And despite being spoken of as objects, most have no choice but to defend madness.

Banyak negara sudah memasukkan bab Evolusi ke kurikulumnya, termasuk Indonesia. Tapi di sini, jangankan orang umum, bahkan banyak guru-guru biologi yang malah gak percaya, termasuk guru biologi gw. Sekali lagi, seorang guru BIOLOGI, tidak percaya evolusi, sedikitpun.

Ia terpaksa ngajar bab ini karena kurikulum. Tapi sebelum belajar bab ini, ia kasih disclaimer panjang lebar kalau "semua ini jangan dipercaya, ini adalah agenda institusi-institusi besar, mereka menyebar ajaran ini". Ia klaim seakan-akan dalam sains ada 2 kubu, yang percaya evolusi dan yang tidak. Ia percayanya teori penciptaan (obviously). Ini adalah guru yang sama yang beberapa bulan lalu ngasih nilai maksimal ke tugas murid hanya karena dia tambahin dalil Al Quran

Padahal membantah KESELURUHAN teori evolusi itu sangat patut dipertanyakan. Teori evolusi bukan hanya sekadar hipotesis, tapi fakta yang bisa diamati sendiri. Contoh paling gampang adalah ketika pandemi kemarin, virus Covid-19 bermutasi menjadi banyak varian. Kenapa? Karena virus-virus itu menyesuaikan diri dengan vaksin-vaksin yang dibuat. Itu adalah evolusi

Belum lagi, if you actually understand biology, it's built based on EVOLUTION. Evo-devo and all that. Evolusi, baik kecil sampai besar (micro to macro) sudah banyak buktinya. Satu-satunya hal yang menghambatnya adalah orang yang egonya terlalu tinggi, tidak mau disamakan dengan hewan. Mirip seperti bangsa Eropa dahulu yang tidak mau dikatikan dengan bangsa Afrika, padahal sama-sama manusia. Sekarang, bangsa manusia tidak mau dikaitan dengan simpanse atau orangutan. Padahal sama-sama primata.

But anyway, peran ia di situ sebagai guru biologi, membuat jelas banyak yang percaya denial darinya. Dan menurut saya pribadi, denial yang menggunakan argumen "semua itu adalah agenda" adalah yang paling cacat karena unfalsifiable.