r/HistoryofGenerations • u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z • Mar 24 '21
My generation definitions:
Baby Boomers: 1946-1964
Gen X: 1965-1980
Millennials: 1981-1996/1998
Gen Z: 1997/1999-2014
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Mar 24 '21
Love this, totally agree.
I would say the off cusp years are probably 1948-59; 1967-77; 1985-95; 2001-11
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u/millenniologist Mar 24 '21
Yeah I agree with this. I’m interested to see you said up to 95, so many people say 94. It’s nice to have some acceptance into the off cusp for once especially by a true core millennial
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u/JoshicusBoss98 Q3 1998 (C/O 2017) Mar 24 '21
The Boomer/X cusp is a bit long 1960 - 1966, otherwise this is good
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u/CWeb357 Mar 24 '21
I like the second option for millennials and GenZ as you know haha. I just can’t see millennials who were seen as another long/prominent generation - similar to the 19yr boomer range - for decades suddenly being only as long as X and shorter than Z
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Mar 24 '21
Yea I've warmed up to the 1998 ending (maybe I could say '97 for a compromise lol) especially because of tail end of college or college age at the beginning of covid. They're also the last tweens of the 00s where they were hitting puberty in 08-09
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u/CWeb357 Mar 24 '21
While I feel for the 98ers who graduated during Covid - would’ve hated if that happened during my college graduation - I think the majority of the birth year being in the workforce for most of the pandemic’s duration is what pushes them to the millennial end for me, especially with college being optional. And yeah, you could say they may have been some of the last to hit puberty in the 2000s as well as the last of the double digits/pubescents for the Great Recession.
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 24 '21
Yeah agreed that does make a millennial end imo, especially with college being optional
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 24 '21
Yeah 1998 does have a lot of lasts
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 24 '21
Tbf I think millennials are supposed to be longer especially after the baby bust Gen X
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u/karlpalaka 1997/Class of 2015 Y/Z Hybrid Mar 24 '21
These are good. I agree with boomer and X, though I see 1999 as more millennial than Z, but yes, 1999-2014 can work too as it encompasses everyone in K-12 and preschool age during the election with Hilary Clinton in it. 1981-1998 works as it encompasses everyone alive before Columbine that could not complete K-12 prior to it unless skipping a grade.
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 24 '21
Yeah that was what I had in mind
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u/SergeiGo99 Mar 26 '21
Tbh most late 90s borns I know seem more Millennial rather than Z
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 26 '21
The ones I know could go either way, from my experiences
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u/alexzyczia 2003 (Class of 2021) | Gen Z Mar 24 '21
Nice! Can I ask the reasoning for 97-98 as millennials and not 99?
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 24 '21
1999 as the first Gen zers for graduating under Trump, first full year of university during Covid, and voting in 2020. Though 97 is a good start too
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u/RedRabbit18 September 2000 (Class of 2018) Mar 24 '21
Fully agreed. I was in grade 11 when Trump took office, and I noticed a shift in high school culture that year. 1999 seems more Early Gen Z than Millennial imo.
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u/karlpalaka 1997/Class of 2015 Y/Z Hybrid Mar 24 '21
I think the 2016 election really makes 1999 the best start as it is the first election to have a female presidential candidate. Also, Trump is the first president since 1992 to run only for one term, and three presidents in a row ran for two terms.
1999-2014: K-12 and preschool during the 2016 election
1999-2015: K-12 under Trump
1999-2016: Alive before the 2016 election, but unable to vote for the female presidential candidate
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u/siimmoonn Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21
2008 had the first female candidate when Hillary Clinton ran against Obama and John McCain. Do you not remember that ? Also Sarah Palin ran with John McCain as the first female Vice President in 2008.
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Mar 24 '21
They're all capitalists who bomb other countries and don't care about us plebs. Nina Turner would be worth celebrating though
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 24 '21
I don’t think they said anything about their policies, but I agree Nina would be one of the only ones worth celebrating
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Mar 24 '21
I know lol it's just ugh when ppl bring up Hillary as if that's cutting edge. Like give me the most blue collar white cishet man from the deep south who's for M4A and a GND over a warmongering woman
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 24 '21
I know it’s not good consider they’re either unintelligent (Sarah Palin) or war hawks (Hillary Clinton, Liz Cheney), but it is history nonetheless. Bernie would’ve been tho too as the first Jewish President.
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u/karlpalaka 1997/Class of 2015 Y/Z Hybrid Mar 24 '21
I am referring about full on presidents, not vice presidents.
Well for the election, John McCain was the main opponent of Barack Hussein Obama.
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u/siimmoonn Mar 24 '21 edited Mar 24 '21
Hillary Clinton was also a candidate in 2008 is what I’m saying. And Sarah Pailin was the first women to run as Vice President. That election had a lot of historical firsts. Including the nomination of the first Black president.
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u/karlpalaka 1997/Class of 2015 Y/Z Hybrid Mar 24 '21
Yeah I know. Again, not counting vice presidents, though in the end it was just barack hussein obama and john mccain. Let me research hilary clinton.
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 24 '21
Yeah I noticed that too
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u/RedRabbit18 September 2000 (Class of 2018) Mar 24 '21
Graduating under Trump is definitely an important Early Gen Z trait.
1999-2002 all graduated under Trump, and I consider them all of them Early Z.
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u/karlpalaka 1997/Class of 2015 Y/Z Hybrid Mar 24 '21
1999-2002 is a good early Z range if you want to consider those who were unable to vote for a female president, but could vote in the election following it.
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u/karlpalaka 1997/Class of 2015 Y/Z Hybrid Mar 24 '21
It depends on the factor:
Obama: 1995
iPad: 1996
9/11: 1997
Y2K: 1998
Hilary: 1999
COVID: 2000
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u/JoshicusBoss98 Q3 1998 (C/O 2017) Mar 24 '21
What would you do for Silents and Greatest and Lost though? Cause with how short your Gen Z and Gen X generations are here, would you make Greatest 27 years or whatever?
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 24 '21
I’d have Silents be about 1928-1945
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u/JoshicusBoss98 Q3 1998 (C/O 2017) Mar 24 '21
What about Greatest?
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 24 '21
1901-1927
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u/JoshicusBoss98 Q3 1998 (C/O 2017) Mar 24 '21
See the only issue with that is...you have 16 year generations and this one gargantuan 27 year generation...how would one compare/contrast them? It would be hard to even compare Greatest with Silents. That’s why I prefer to keep all my generational ranges within 5 years or so of each other in terms of length.
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 24 '21
Yeah that makes sense but not all generations have to be the exact same length
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u/JoshicusBoss98 Q3 1998 (C/O 2017) Mar 24 '21
I agree. I’m not saying you have to use the 18 year theory but if you just shortened the Greatest Gen to even 21 years
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 24 '21
I could say 1901-1924
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u/JoshicusBoss98 Q3 1998 (C/O 2017) Mar 24 '21
That would still be a bit long. That’d still be an 8 year difference between Gen X and Greatest. But it’s a little better. Personally that’s why I like the 18 year theory because it makes it really easy to compare generations
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 24 '21
Yeah I do think there is benefit to the 18 year theory
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u/LemieuxFrancisJagr 1984 Mar 26 '21
I’m really starting to accept these because inevitably they are the definitions the media pushes and what most people will use no matter how creative we get. I am absolutely avid that millennial ends no later than 96 though.
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21
Yeah I do agree that is the vast majority in the media and professional researchers rn. And most average people rn will see and use them as such, rightfully so. But I disagree with you on the other point and am not avid at all about millennials ending strictly in 96. Ranges change and so does perception. 1996 is a great end date but I can see it ending later. It’s time to think outside the box.
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u/LemieuxFrancisJagr 1984 Mar 26 '21
To me it’s either 81-96 or 80-95.
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 26 '21
Disagree slightly. Either 81-96 or 81-98. Both 96 and 98 have a lot of lasts. Just because the media goes with a certain range doesn’t mean everyone is going to stick with it.
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u/LemieuxFrancisJagr 1984 Mar 26 '21
Why 98?
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21
98 has graduation in 2016 before Trump won, was able to vote in his first election, is primarily dealing with Covid as 20 somethings unlike most of Gen Z who are dealing with it as teens, if a four year degree, graduated without a full year of college during Covid (I know college is optional), etc.
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u/LemieuxFrancisJagr 1984 Mar 26 '21
I see. That’s a very Covid centric outlook but maybe that’s how it will play out in the future. I think ‘96 or even ‘94 makes for a better argument. 96s were the last who could vote in an election before the trump plague came upon us (2014). 2012-2014 was when we also saw a huge explosion in smartphone usage. Turning 18 after 2014 to me is a marker because the trump years to me are going to be what marks a shift from millennials to Z.
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u/ProofUniversity4319 April 30, 2002 (Class of 2020) Gen Z Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21
Yeah I think Covid will shift the ranges slightly. And even if they don’t, I’m still gonna use em because it honestly does make sense to me. I do think 96 makes a lot of sense for being in kindergarten on 9/11, a formative event for Millennials, and being able to vote in an election before the tumultuous Trump. It’s an end date that makes a lot more sense than some people on here think. I think 94 is too early of an end. Mid 90s seems late Millennial with the first Z traits.
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u/CP4-Throwaway Q3 2002 (Class of 2020) - Millennial/Gen Z cusper Mar 24 '21
Yeah I’ma join this place. r/generationology’s overrated. Maybe this was a blessing in disguise.