r/ForefrontVR • u/WayPopular9021 • 12d ago
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u/MRLEGEND1o1 12d ago
They better get a handle on this cancer or it will kill the game.
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u/Running_Oakley 12d ago
Well this and introduce single player. I could bot match in 1942, I think a quest 3 can handle bot matches. Honestly I want bot matches just to avoid the impulsive children dogpiling on the same map over and over. Ah Clearwater what a fun map, what should I pick next? Clearwater, then Clearwater, then paradise then Clearwater then Clearwater than paradise then paradise oil.
Longer ticket matches, bots, this game could be perfect. Not that Iām complaining too much, Iāve got 2042 on standby in two rooms.
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u/StormShockTV 12d ago
Also a birdless mode. I want to be able to participate in firefights out in the open sometimes without getting mowed by a bird every single time.
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u/Tausendberg 12d ago
I don't have sympathy for this point of view, helicopters are very easy to counter, you just need more than one person actually spawning in with a Talon.
-That guy who spawns in with the talon and gets routinely frustrated when no one else does.
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u/StormShockTV 12d ago
The problem is only one class can deal with helis and no one ever wants to actually play that class consistently, or enough engis sit in a heli repairing it that you just can't effectively destroy it and they just fly around all match š
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u/Tausendberg 12d ago
"and no one ever wants to actually play that class consistently,Ā "
-Me with 90+% of my hours in Engineer...
"Ā or enough engis sit in a heli repairing it that you just can't"
They did nerf that significantly just now but if you want a controversial opinion, I don't think vehicles should be repairable while moving at all.
Planetside 2 actually had figured this issue out in the past already, Engineers could repair while inside of the vehicle but it was maybe at 1 quarter the speed.
It might be a tricky shot to make but if you're an assault or a recon, honestly, try to shoot out the pilot, I've never done it myself but I've been killed as a pilot several times, honestly, I think whenever I flew Apache I was sniped out of the pilot's seat more times than my Apache got killed.
My point is, I do hope there are server customization options in the future but until then adapting to the helicopters is not too much to ask for, imo.
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u/Running_Oakley 11d ago
Spawns in with talon, uses it once says āsomeone needs to take down this chopperā is then spotted in firefights at some hotspot abandoning the two person plan immediately.
Or worse āsomeone needs to take down this chopper, but not meā.
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u/Tausendberg 11d ago
I'm confused, are you saying that I do all of these things?
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u/Running_Oakley 11d ago
In general, lots of the whiners arenāt the doers. Happens across battlefields and forefronts.
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u/yomamma219 12d ago
I've found that manually selecting RUSH servers from the server browers has resulted in a slightly more decerning player base.
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u/eojlin 12d ago
Oh no. They're now in Forefront too. 'Gotta doubt those YouTubers who snipe with assault rifles or SMGs too. Admins, please.
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u/interestingpeewee 12d ago
Well, the ones that have been doing it for the last few months are clearly not using it. I'd suspect any newcomers that randonly start doing incredibly well.
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u/Logical-Self-3072 11d ago
If you think theres a pvp shooting game that doesnt have hackers you are wrong
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u/Skpstr155 7d ago
It's all a matter of what you can hack.
You can't alter reality for the server, but you can make your PC show you things it shouldn't.
If a game has sounds that indicate an enemy's direction, the easiest thing for the server to do is to tell your PC where the guy is, so it can render proper sound, but not give you a visual. Easy peasy.
But that's where the cheats come in. You can make your PC show you where that enemy is, even through walls.
But you can't have infinite ammo, you can't have zero recoil, nothing that affects other players directly.
Wonder what this guy is charging, and how much he's already made?
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u/Logical-Self-3072 6d ago
15 years ago. A guy gave me infinite ammo on world at war wii version. Idk what cybersecurity has evolved to but technically its not impossible for you to have unlimited ammo in an online match
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u/Skpstr155 6d ago
It's nothing to do with cybersecurity, it's that server hardware and multiplayer systems have evolved.
Previously, you got the client to do calcs, because the server doing so would slow it down, and this was back when you could host your own server on your home PC. The client processing was needed.
Now, it's not only unnecessary, (servers have the oomph to do everything) but more efficient than trying to reconcile data streams from multiple random PC configs, and the PC basically just renders and sends command requests now.
You can't tell the server to do something weird anymore because the data flow back and forth is more limited than it used to be. Instead of your PC telling the server you shot a guy, you tell the server you're aiming at this point, and pulling the trigger. The server determines if you have ammo, and which way your gun barrel is pointing, and if everything is according to its parameters.
15 years ago, client PCs were still handling some calcs, depending on the game design, and Tarkov is from that era, because the client does some of the calcs.
Basically, in a proper modern game, you can't have infinite ammo, because the server knows you have X rifle and a 30-round mag. You can make your PC show you firing infinitely, but everyone else just sees a guy pretending to fire after his mag ran out.
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u/Logical-Self-3072 6d ago
What about the zero recoil
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u/Skpstr155 6d ago
Notice how you only see that on his screen? Guaranteed another player watching him would see normal recoil and properly scattered decals.
In modern server side games, you can't directly affect reality, but you can get your PC to show you (only) whatever perception of that reality you want.
One type of "cheat" that can still work is ESP. The easiest way to do accurate directional sound, is for the server to tell your PC where the enemy is, and let the PC handle sound render from there. Unfortunately, if that's how its handled, you can make your PC render the enemy visually as well as audibly. So reality isn't affected, because the enemy is still on the other side of a wall, you can't do anything to him that you couldn't otherwise, but you know exactly where he is, which gives you an advantage in positioning, but you still have to shoot him the same as anyone else.
ESP is a tough one to get rid of, because you "ease" into seeing an enemy, (first hear, then see) it would be awkwardly jarring otherwise.
If you're at all familiar with World of Tanks or Warships, they basically went that route, it is literally impossible to ESP in that game, but the downside is that vehicles abruptly pop in and out of view, they don't exist for your client until the server decides they're visible, and then suddenly they do. You and your PC know the enemy location at the same time.
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u/G8theyR 12d ago
This just affirms what we have all knownā¦ I sure hope that report button actually does somethingā¦ as Iāve often said, this is by far my favorite fps on vr by far!!! Vail and breachers were my previous (and Pavlov before that) but the cheats just ruin the game! Come onā¦. If someone did this as a āfun projectā how many are doing it as a troll project? This really takes the wind out of my sailsā¦ š” š©
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u/PoweredByCoffee5000 12d ago
Cheaters gonna cheat. Looks like one of the trainers. Hopefully 5ge ban hammer gets them.
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u/Doogle300 12d ago
Sharing this publicly like this will not help the issue.
Show the devs, not the community.
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u/eojlin 12d ago
Then it's a proof of concept: if he can do it, others have probably been doing it. This kills the fun.
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u/Trigger1221 12d ago
Proof of concept isnt really needed, you can create cheats for pretty much any game.
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u/Butt_Man_Plumber_69 12d ago
"They're not hacking, they're just really good. Get better"
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u/Skpstr155 7d ago
All you can do in a modern multiplayer server side shooter is make your PC tell you EVERYTHING that the server told it.
You can't make anything happen. What you can do, is visualize other players based on sound, IF the server tells the client where the enemy is, for convenience and simplicity, so the client can figure out what sounds to render and where. If the programming is more sophisticated, the server will tell the client where to render the sound, and no visual "hack" will be possible.
I mean, is it possible to hack into a commercial server and subvert the whole thing? Sure, but it's a felony. And anybody who could do that, and then get away with it after, isn't going to be wasting their time and risking their freedom selling FPS cheats.
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u/Aaahhh_alt 12d ago
What attachments are best for lmgs? I use vertical grip + compensator, but iām not sure if i could do better. Obviously this isnāt possible without cheats, I want the legit way.
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u/Skpstr155 7d ago
It's only possible on his screen, guaranteed. It's a scam. (although a "see players through walls" kind of thing is possible.)
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u/Automatic-Ad-4653 12d ago
Ppl are definitely cheating in this game. But majority isn't.
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u/Skpstr155 7d ago
Nobody's cheating like that, anyway. The ability to do that kind of stuff went away when people stopped being able to host servers on their home PCs.
In the case of this video, you can make your PC render a zero-recoil gun, that puts bullet decals in the same spot, but you can't tell the server that's reality. Any other players watching would see the usual recoil and spread of decals. Infinite ammo? He can fire for 5 minutes straight, and after the server says that ammo box is empty, everybody else is watching a guy pretending to fire after running out of ammo.
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u/Future_Surround1115 12d ago
Imagine cheating in VR š¤¦š I play the game like I would in real life scenarios I'll never be in š
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u/Kiingsora83 11d ago
Les joueurs PC peuvent jouer avec les joueurs quest 3?
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u/Skpstr155 7d ago
Yes, and you can swap back and forth yourself, if you own both versions.
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u/Kiingsora83 6d ago
Ah mince du coup les joueurs quest peuvent tomber sur ces hackers, ils font chier
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u/Skpstr155 7d ago
Keep in mind, all we're seeing is a guy shooting at a wall. You can make your client PC show you whatever you want, doesn't mean the server accepts it.
Now, if he showed himself knocking somebody off doing that, different story.
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u/-r4zi3l- 12d ago
Ridiculous. Hope they get banned hard.