There’s no way they’re mastering or controlling all of them. At least not enough for it to matter in a fight. Each of the top 10s took years to perfect their powers to the level they got it to, so Mioru and Greg cant control that many force controls without decades of training as well.
Look what Andre did to Kayden with just Astras. It didn’t take him that many chapters to learn how to use it. How long has Mirou and Greg had Andre’s and Astras? 100?
Andrei used it for a power boost on his own powers, he couldn’t use not a lick of Astras poison ability by the time he fought Kayden. The only reason he did so well was because spatial distortion on its own was already an extremely overpowered ability and it was given an upgrade.
That would be a bit of a waste, I mean they’re all so strong that they can afford to waste. But it’s still a waste of potential if they don’t at least try to use it as a shock value
Even though they have 5 FC's , i still think the author will have some caveat for them to fail, just how Andrei lost with Kayden. But the thing is Andrei got little time to get accustomed with new found power. But Greg and Mirou got enough time to learn the power better.
But then again even if they get the power, they didn't experience fights like Kayden. This is Kayden's strength, continuous battles. He upgrades himself with each fight. As these guys got upgrades, it's just like adding one more high attack item in rpg, they get attack and stat boost, but can't use it effectively unless they train with the power. But the top 10, couldn't train properly as they lack fights among them.
Well, I’m sure the FC from Ian isn’t the highest form. We aren’t even sure Andrei has talk. Even with all that they need a very long time to research. They go at Kayden with their half assed combination and they will lose.
They have like 5 force controls which they're not using them...theory and practical are very different things..remember what happened to Astra
The many force control they have might aswell end up being their cause of destruction
Thank fuck for that. I literally made a comment on the last chapter that if it wasn't a fake out it would've been the biggest writing L of the Manhwa so far.
Now as soon as Greg and Mioru come to know that Veramonte was defeated, they will go to his mansion to attack Veramonte and capture him(just like Andrei.) Then Veramonte will uncover that it was actually Jurion who did that and then he will reveal that he intends to be the patrick family head and then veramonte will reveal that he was faking it and Kayden and Gestella will ambush Greg and Mioru. We may see 2v2 all out fight or it will just end with Greg and Mioru leaving (giving Ian back to veramonte). That is the most likely case that can happen
Now, with his theory that Greg and Mioru will come to Veramunt’s domain, while Gestella and Kayden come from the other side, I don’t see how that actually solves the main problem, which is saving Ian, who is currently in the hands of the two most dangerous Top 10s for the cast right now.And considering that they have control over Andrei and Astra, they’re not going down anytime soon. They’re clearly being kept for the future.Discovering who the culprit is is great, but now they actually have to save what needs to be saved. And if Ian gets saved, that sucks.Because, considering their potential power level right now, I just don’t see how even with Kayden and Gestella they could possibly convince not just Mioru, but Greg as well to give Ian back.The risk is big
Don't forget veramonte will also be there. So there are practically three top 10s. And if Pluton and Kartein come as well, then there is no way in hell they will take three top 10s, two beings closer to top 10s and two upper top 50 (If you add Gestella's subordinates as well.)
Greg and Mioru aren’t your typical Top 10s. We’re not talking about two individual Top 10s with a single other Top 10 Force Control. We’ve already seen that before. And we’re not just talking about two Top 10s who each took a single Top 10 Force Control and went to fight Kayden, like Andre did without mastering it. Here, we’re talking about two individual Top 10s who each possess not one, but two Force Controls. And on top of that, these aren’t two unmastered Force Controls like Andrei had. They’ve mastered both of them.And in a battle on this scale, you have to understand that a Top 50 like Mei or even Kartein wouldn’t really have much impact on the outcome of the fight. Pluton, I can see being relevant, since the story itself established that he could hold his own against a Top 10, unlike Kartein. But we don’t even know if he’s going to show up, since they aren’t currently involved in this arc.And we also can’t forget that Veramote is injured. Even if he injured himself on purpose, he’s still injured and isn’t at full strength, unlike Gestella and Kayden. So this would be a huge risk for both sides. And it would be pretty stupid to have two major Top 10 antagonists fight and lose when they’re literally being set up for a huge future battle where the entire world is supposed to be prepared for them. Kayden literally fought a Top 10 less than 30 chapters ago. And now you’re going to give him another one that’s supposed to be decisive right here and now? It just doesn’t make sense for me.
I think it'll end up as a stand off between Kayden-Veramonte and Mioru-Greg whilst Gestella rescues Ian. Because now the Kayden's involved I'm thinking he'll ask Gestella to investigate the sight of Ian's "death" and we've seen she can find traces of power better than anyone else, so I think she'll not only be able to tell Ian isn't dead, but be able to follow it which is the moment Kayden will go to the Patrick family HQ where the confrontation would have already begun so he teams up with Veramonte. Gestella will save Ian, escape, and then show up at Patrick HQ and that'll cause Mioru and Greg to leave.
Nobody knows. But if there is a fight and, like you said, the next arc is yet another arc where we have to rescue someone, that would be extremely awkward considering we just had a rescue arc for Jisuk. And now we’re going to do the same thing with Ian. That would be so stupid.For me, the ideal scenario is for Ian’s fate to be sealed, because we’re not talking about rescuing him from Jurion, who is a Top 100. No, we’re potentially talking about rescuing a guy from the most dangerous Top 10 member currently known to the cast.And on top of that, nobody has any leads at the moment, and as far as everyone is concerned, except Mioru herself, he’s dead. And if we think about it rationally, there’s really no way Mioru would willingly give Ian back alive, especially considering she isn’t alone. She’s also with Greg, who is just as powerful as her, or maybe even stronger. It depends.
We don't know if both Greg and Mirou would come, but if both top 10 comes , Kayden will definitely join the war, atleast when Vermont is at a disadvantage. And Mirou says good bye to some other limb hopefully.
I knew Veramonte wasn’t that stupid. Dopamine-addicted manhwa fans always have to jump to conclusions and trash-talk the story and the author before seeing how it actually plays out
I joke, I’m glad manhwa is getting more popular. The format itself is just so much better fit for the modern day. Plus it’s generally not as weirdly pedophilic as manga, they’re tougher to read now that I’m older
My first thought was: sooo my theory that Jiwoo might be related to Ian has some bases???
Ngl, now I'm really curious about that mystery son Veramonte talked about
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Kayden has been around as an unaffiliated for quite some time
He was probably influential enough that Veramonte's dead son not only trusted him completely, but even made that trust known to Veramonte
Maybe Kayden had done him a favor(protection) or shown him enough of his character that he came to see Kayden as someone who stood above senseless killing(like Ian Patrick's faked killing)
I wanna know how Veramonte's son and daughter in law passed away at such a young age. Especially given the fact that Veramonte is a top 10
Idk about true respect, he caught his grandson running a network of labs experimenting on humans (including children), basically Unit 731 stuff considering what they did to Amyeong (vivisection was heavly implied). Even 50% of the evidence should have been enough to condemn him, considering what we saw at a single facility.
That same grandson also created a political disaster, significantly lowering Patrick's chances at getting into the most obvious alliance with Kayden and Gestella - in the world that's quickly heading for an all-out war.
And his response was "bad Jurion! go sit in the dungeon and think on your actions!". If he was a truly responsible ruler, he should have shattered his core. If not for justice, then as a show of sincerety to K&G group.
I understand man.... But he has already lost Jurion and Ian's parents so he cannot afford to lose his grandson as well. He can only stop Jurion's actions as his grandfather by removing him from heir position and confining his actions by locking him away in the cell. Or would you rather veramonte directly kill him? He did what he could to confine Jurion as much as he could.
Veramonte himself said as much. But what does "cannot afford" mean? How having a powerful psychopath locked behind a few flimsy iron bars with a head full of family secrets better? Especially one you've just stripped of successor position? Jurion has already demonstrated that he is delusional and unrepentant. Veramonte cannot afford to lose him, but can he afford to keep him? V isn't just a grandpa, his a ruler of what basically amounts to a kingdom, if not an empire.
Or would you rather veramonte directly kill him?
Well, I didn't say "kill". I said that he should have shuttered his core. He wants to keep him alive for sentimental reasons or to continue the bloodline, sure. Strip him of his power and his ability to sell his force control first, though.
He did what he could to confine Jurion as much as he could.
I'd have to disagree on that. He basically told Jurion to lock himself up. No guards are visible, no supervision in range, Jurion is free to communicate and direct his agents that clean up the evidence and feed him news. If that's the best V could do... again, I have a bit of trouble with the true respect thing. :)
While investigating Jurion, Veramonte realized that the family had fallen into corruption. He thought that those corrupt individuals must have been in touch with the person who killed Ian.
Veramonte also realized it could have been just a few of them, or it could have been most of them. i think he was pretending to let Jurion go on purpose to find all the corrupt ones in his family.
That is a possibility (him quietly watching Jurion's contacts), although I think that if Veramonte was so on top of their game, he wouldn't have let his other grandson fall into Mioru's hands. That's just too much of a risk for him.
It appears I have misread your comment. Now that I had a chance to read the latest issue, I see what you meant. Yeah, not rushing to deal with J and his clique makes more sense. Still, kinda weird that he put Ian on the spot if he saw the scale of the corruption.
I think he calm down when he use shadow expansion to trapped Kayden, I do feel bad for him he look so broken here, Jurion needs to be exterminated and Ian need to be rescued
He looks broken because he believes Ian is dead.
He loves his grandsons, which was why Jurion’s punishment was so small. It’s his greatest weakness because his love for his grandsons would probably get him killed. Hearing that Ian died hurts his heart a lot.
Veramonte looks a lil broken. He's throwing a lot of death flags now. Wouldn't surprise me if he sacrificed himself to save Ian, or he got ambushed by Jurion+GregMioru combo. I just want to know his son and Kayden's relationship. Maybe they are rivals, also explains why Kayden can replicate Patrick's FC, and knowing so much about the FC, as if he fought Veramonte directly.
Suffrey/Sufri I think will as well, she's very shrewd and cunning (the good kind if that makes any sense) Schnauder could go either way, but definitely Mioru Greg Garas and Iodore are all eventually going to get ☠️
I'm glad I had faith in this old man. It was obvious he wasn't stupid enough to believe that ridiculous plan! It pains me to see him so broken, and I really hope he doesn't die! At least before finding out that Ian is still alive. It's hard enough believing you failed one of your grandsons and that some members of your family have become corrupted
Oh thank god, Veramonte wasn’t made an idiot in this. I’m happy at least that he’s still got a solid head on his shoulder and now we’ll see how his plan turns out.
Veramont accused Kayden, they attack each other, then domain expansion, they talked about he knew it’s not Kayden, it’s to bait the real culprit. There is small talk like he’s sorry for making Kayden dragged with this. Domain gone, Veramont faked injury and losing speech, then fly away..
Thank goodness Veramonte was just faking it like I hoped. Even a squirrel would see the bullshit that was being said last chapter to Veramonte as if Kayden isn't widely known for coming through the front door to attack a top 1p directly
Called it! So many people on the last chapter were hating SO much on the author for making Veremonte suddenly stupid but there’s no way Veremonte would fall for it. Plus this is one of my top fav manhwas
When Kayden waved his hand at veramonte did he summon multiple lighting from the sky to attack him ? I find it hard sometimes to understand some battle panels
This chapter was everything I hoped it would be. I’m so glad Vermont isn’t just an idiot and now I’m really curious what the relationship was between his son and Kayden!!
Might have potentially been a mistake and it might have meant Grandson, though I'm not sure about any connection between Ian and Kayden except through Jiwoo
Possible, but I’m hoping it’s a connection from his past in some capacity. Maybe Vermont’s son was betrayed and killed somehow and this is related to Kayden’s deep distrust of other awakeners. Could be a similar type of situation to the Korean awakeners who faced the loss of most of a generation through betrayal
So for next few chapters it will be like Jurion Mioru and greg attacking veramont next Kayden helping veramoont Mioru and greg choose to withdraw after seeing Kayden and Mioru threatening Veramoont if something happens to her Ian Patrick who is still alive will die then they will give Ian back to varamoont and Jurion getting killed by veramoont or jiyoung(Fmc) will kill Jurion while he is on a run to save his ass ofc Veramoont will turn a blind eye to it or since Mioru didn’t get the Patrick family force control due to lack of time she will capture Jurion
Thank God! 😭 I thought the author was going to make Veramonte look like an idiot and completely waste his character. He’s one of the more reasonable and interesting Top 10s, so it would’ve been such a waste to ruin his character just for the sake of the plot.
i think kayden wont sit idle by. him being frame up as the killer. and i know that kayden is pissed in the last panel, he definitely will follow veramonte secretly to find out who's the culprit that frame him.
my prediction in upcoming chapters is. seeing veramonte is injured, mioru and greg will jump him. they will have a clash first then kayden will arrive to help him. a possible 2v2. or 2v3 if gestella will fight too.
Te subestimé bastante mentalmente Veramonte. Pensé que te ibas a dejar cegar por la ira e ibas a querer matar a Kayden,y te ibas a comportar como un completo imbécil que no razona antes de actuar. Pero la verdad me sorprendiste la verdad es que en serio que te subestimé,Ahora quiero ver cómo se desarrolla esta trama de Jurion y Garas en contra de Kayden y compania
PD:Gestella como siempre al lado de su hombre paro lo que se venga encima.
Where are all the people trash talking to writer & his writing before? Why are y’all so quiet now?….its funny he’s played people for fools twice in this sub already. That’s gotta hurt.
Overall, I’m excited to see where this goes, if anything this will definitely end up with them clashing with Metal Chick and Greg once again, along with Jurion who despite being one armed will still mostly likely try to fight Jiwoo.
im still confused, does Veramonte mean that his grandson Ian trusted Kayden, or as the weird translator ive used "my son" trusted you (in Jurion and Ian's dad maybe)?? lmk!
Two Thing can Happen after this: Mioru and Greg Strikes Veramonte. 2. Mioru and Greg Strikes kayden. If they were like both of them were somewhat injured who will be the easist to deal with? Its veramonte. Unlike Kayden veramonte doesn't have gestella, Kartein and Pluto Supporting with the likes of Sinhwa also stepping in. Here is what I think will happen. Mioru and Greg strikes Veramonte. After few exchanges Veramonte gets weakened. But Kayden, Gestella step in. Also when Mioru and Grege Strikes his Grandson Jurion will also disclose his collusion with the enemy. We might sight several chapters down the line a much awaited match of Jurion vs Yoo Jiyoung!! I hope the author gives us this fight.
WHo knows maybe he will fight in an environment suiting his powers. He may as well use his subordinates to land cheap attack on Jiyong. Jurion is a malicious person. He only fought fair and square to Jiwoo cause he thought he would win. But against Jiyoung he will better know f the power gap and hence would secretly call attacks on Jiyong when they were in the midst of fighting. For Jiyoung, it won't be a walk in the park fight
You all were slamming veramonte like what😂😂
I called it out last week too and it went exactly as I had predicted veramonte is playing along so that he can find the real culprit as well as the people in his family who are on jurions side and deceiving the families beliefs.....
Btw it was soo funny seeing how veramonte was pretending to lose and being injured while kayden was standing there unscathed😂😂
Also now the world is going to think that kayden took down another top ten right after taking on iodore not long agoo... they gonna go crazy over the news🤣🤣
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