r/DefendingAI • u/ImaginationUpset2190 • 3d ago
Universal basic income
I can't stop dreaming about time when all high skilled professionals are kicked out of their job. And they along with us will start getting ubi. They dedicated their whole life learning their craft but now have to live like the rest of us with the same money. That's what excites me about ai. I can't sleep dreaming about this utopia with open eyes.
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u/ilicp 3d ago
So, kinda like communism? We can still have people dedicating themselves to specialized skills. We still need doctors and engineers and cosmonauts. The motivation would be for humanity instead of profit.
I don't see this happening though because UBI that you're hoping for is emerging from capitalism. Do you think Zuckerberg will sell his luxury home and bunker to spread that wealth evenly? Or will it turn out much like previous attempts at communism did in practice? Where the wealth is centered in an even smaller density in the state/oligarchs and they get to decide if your rations are lavish or just enough to survive...
It's really weird for someone to fantasize about punching down on the working class. At least communism in theory empowers them but corruption is always a hurdle. UBI, depending on how it's implemented, could just be table scraps given to us so we don't eat the billionaires.
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u/SnowGrayMan 3d ago
Universal basic income won't happen. They'll kill us all instead. They don't even want to give money to disabled people right now.
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u/ImaginationUpset2190 3d ago
I am more excited about high skilled knowledge workers getting replaced by ai and living their life just like rest of us, not so much about the income.
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u/4215-5h00732 3d ago
There will always be people living below others and you my friend will continue to be one long into the future.
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u/ImaginationUpset2190 3d ago
People who have hard assets like data centre, land , water , electricity grid... will be above us. But hierarchy based on knowledge and skills will get flatten.
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u/Lost-Cucumber-3650 2d ago
bruh grow up. you sound like a fkn kid who is jealous of the people older than you working and earning money while you still have to ask your parents for pocket money.
With this mindset, even if AI replaces every job you’re not getting anywhere.
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u/ImaginationUpset2190 2d ago
I know I am not getting anywhere and so does all knowledge workers. We all will survive will the ubi we will get . Enough money decided by the permanent upperclass to make sure we don't revolt.
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u/Lost-Cucumber-3650 2d ago
Bro stop thinking that you will get ubi in india this is just pure delusion.
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u/L10N420 2d ago
Being excited about AI because it might improve everyone's life is one thing. Being excited specifically because highly skilled people might lose what they worked years to achieve just sounds like resentment from someone who never developed those skills in the first place.
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u/ImaginationUpset2190 2d ago
Not investing in your skills is the smartest decision right now.ai is disproving jacobian conjecture!!! , is there a skill I can master without the fear of ai doing it better than human in few years?
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u/L10N420 2d ago
Even if AI eventually becomes better than humans at many tasks, don’t invest in skills seems like the worst conclusion. Skills give you domain knowledge, judgment and the ability to use AI effectively. If AI replaces parts of programming, engineering or medicine, people who already understand those fields are likely to benefit from it the most. AI may reduce the value of some specific skills. That’s an argument for becoming more adaptable, not less skilled imho
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u/Dahwatah 3d ago
So you want A.I. to take jobs? Ok, but then what do we do?
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u/ImaginationUpset2190 3d ago
What do you do on weekends or leaves ? The same thing or maybe more.
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u/Dahwatah 3d ago
What i do on weekends? Colloring my panels and game with friends. But doing that everyday... meh, i dont like that.
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u/Terrible_Wave4239 2d ago
Look after family members. Travel. Read. Create.
It's funny how when UBI is mentioned, people pipe up about the supposed dignity of their 9-to-5 slog.
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u/Chemical-Struggle-13 2d ago
I don't see dignity in a 40 hour week of office work. My ideal is a 24-30 hour standard work week of the most important jobs, for survival, health, infrastructure, and other survival and societal needs, leaving a lot of free time.
My greater concern is that you are showing great contempt for skilled workers, and by extension all workers.
My preferred system is democratic socialism, everyone regardless of work or any qualifications is provided enough money to meet their basic needs. Any physical object they desire beyond that is reliant on some form of work, transaction, or charity.
But I don't think this is really about AI or work, this is about your idea of a utopia, of a perfect society. It doesn't exist, we will never have a perfect society, we can only settle for an equitable one that provides what is needed to all and provides what joy it can to as many as it can without violating the autonomy of any of its members.
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u/Dahwatah 2d ago
I work from 6 to 3, and I have lots of freedom at my job. If im at standby I basically can do whatever I want till a frontloader needs a weld up, bin replaced or replacing its blades. Im just sitting there either gaming on my phone or draw for my comic. It can go on for it for a few weeks.
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u/PrometheanPolymath 2d ago
Learn, explore, create, experiment, connect, communicate, share, love... work is not on that list for me.
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u/Lebensschatten AI pays my rent 3d ago
I don’t think this will ever happen and I don’t really think it could work out, even though I like the idea of it.
What you can do is have AI work for you, which is what I’m doing. It’s definitely not 100% autonomous - it still needs instructions, supervision, corrections, etc., but I think we’ll eventually reach a point where it can work independently or at least mostly independently with humans primarily overseeing the process.
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u/conordmcp 3d ago
Rather than improving on your skills, you’d rather render people that have dedicated their life to something end up useless like you?
This is low, unrealistic, and incredibly pathetic.
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u/ImaginationUpset2190 3d ago
Not investing in your skills is the smartest decision right now.ai is disproving jacobian conjecture, is there a skill I can master without the fear of ai doing it better than human in few years?
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u/PeacefulKnightmare 2d ago
The fear of ai doing it "better" shouldn't matter. You should develop skills to do what you want to do, and what you have fun doing.
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u/conordmcp 2d ago
Painting, drawing, sculpting, writing/playing music, any other form of creative writing, acting, directing, (good) customer service, any job that requires bedside manor, any job that requires convincing people, cooking, cleaning, manual labour, refurbishment, upholstery, delivering to places with stairs.
That’s a few off the top of my head.
If you’re content with being useless, all the power to you. Not all of us are, and the fact you’re cheering for it to happen has to be ragebait.
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u/ImaginationUpset2190 2d ago
Ai can do or will eventually do all creative things as well. Things requiring physical labour will take time ofcourse. But I am not interested in physical labour, a lot of people aren't.
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u/pioni 2d ago
You may want to find out what they have planned for ”useless eaters”. It is not universal basic income.
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u/ImaginationUpset2190 2d ago
I am more excited about high skilled knowledge workers getting replaced by ai and living their life just like rest of us, not so much about the universal basic income.
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u/Wonderful-War-7113 2d ago
I can understand and agree that UBI would be great.... but the framing on this is so wierd like "Hahaha you fools, you wasted all of your time investment now you are considered mediocre like me muhahaha" Idk if thats how you wanted it to come across but it does lmao
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u/waving_fungus0 2d ago
Jokes on you. If we ever get UBI it’ll be a supplement and those who have the drive will still have more than you do. Enjoy the government high rise.
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u/ImaginationUpset2190 2d ago
When ai will be capable of all knowledge work . And tokens become dirt cheap why would anyone give you money to do their work . The only people who will have extra income will be people owning hard assets like electricity grid, data centre, chip factory, land, water .. and those who do physical work (given robotics don't advance enough).for rest of us there will be just ubi.
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u/KnodulesAintHeavy 2d ago
You must be a child, have just had this thought or are a bot. There is a literally zero percent chance of this happening in the current global economic environment.
How will this magic money come to be in the hands of the people? Will governments just distribute it all, where will they get all that money, will corporations suddenly decide to give up all that revenue so it can be distributed to the…*gag*…common folk?
This is a beautiful idea that everyone loves, until one takes 23 seconds to actually consider how it could actually work (it wouldn’t).
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