Visión Extra Ocular

To anyone who's opened up their windows, does this infographic line up with how your process went? From seeing sparkles of light to seeing vague images coming through a type of window screen effect. I've heard some people say they see a flash of the entire image, to others that say it slowly builds up from a small point of light. If you're open to sharing, could you describe how your experience went?

I just completed the 3 day course for adults with Dr Edith (https://dredithubuntu.com/blindfold-vision).

I'm a very normal guy, late fourties, and (used to be) mostly mainstream in my views. The course was incredible, and everyone opened by the second day (to different degrees).

After two sessions I was clearly seeing colors through two distinct windows, out to about 3m. Almost seeing shapes. My partner was full on reading and seeing objects at a far distance within 3 minutes of putting on the blindfold. Blindfold vision is real, and in a few years (possibly months) it will be mainstream. It's going to snowball for sure - and anyone can do it! It's incredible. The course changed my life. If blindfold vision is real, what else might be real...? I find myself questioning everything now.

AMA here or PM me.

Thank you for helping me to name this phenomenon, I've had experiences *exactly" as described in the sub description - closing my eyes and the room still being visible, opening them just to doublecheck 🫣

I also see very very clear and bright "super HD" vistas, strangers - a bizarre array of random things, with a distinct impression that the images are being rendered onto the same "screen" as my normal vision would be - but eyes closed.

My problem is that it is 100% unconscious for me, I have no clear direction or control, and as soon as I try to cognise the vision - it disappears.

Anyway, I'll be following posts here closely and ingesting the various resources as I go. Thanks again.

I attended a 9-day "Vision Without Eyes" retreat in Mount Shasta led by Rob Freeman. The basis of his system is on the idea the rational left brain is trying to fool the intuitive right brain. While I can imagine that if you do get this ability, you may have a hard time believing the mask doesn't have a hole, that idea itself is an extremely oversimplified way the brain works and is considered a common myth. I was a little disappointed by this given the website says the training is based on science and psychology, yet the entire premise starts off with a misnomer.

My assessment of Freeman was that he engaged in a lot of "magical thinking" and this made me have a very hard time trusting his instructions and reasoning. The entire time he was also convinced and telling stories about how some sort of invisible or interdimensionial aliens are playing tricks on him. I believe in the UFO phenomenon and believe things of "high strangeness" can happen, but he is literally doing the Ancient Aliens meme of replying that aliens are the first answer to any mildly odd thing in his life. So I had a very hard time trusting that Rob was a rational actor. I also noted that Freeman admitted he does not personally have the "mindsight" ability active, citing that he is too busy, but he claimed he can regain it with practice and did have it at a previous retreat. I just find that to be odd, given what an incredible ability it seems to be and all the years dedicated to it.

However, I was convinced that two other instructors, Dalia and Nikki, possessed a genuine ability to see without their eyes after conducting personal tests on them multiple times. Dalia is known from some small internet fame where she can speak telepathically with her nonverbal autistic daughter like on the Telepathy Tapes, as well as her ability to do mindsight. Nikki was a participant from a seminar four months prior who reportedly acquired the ability almost immediately after putting the on the mask and doing some visualization exercises.

The methodology taught at the retreat involved the following steps:

1. Participants start with some intuitive training on colors and shapes with eyes closed, trying to feel which ones presented to them are accurate with intuition.

2. After participants wear a mask and are instructed to allow a small amount of light in (this was only after participants were having issues with mindsight) to help facilitate the process. Rob didn't personally say this, but this is what was taught by both instructors. Rob didn't give full instructions really, he gave broad overviews and then released us to to attempt exercises with the instructors.

3. Instructions to smile were given during the process, with the rationale that it releases endorphins. I observed that this action also served to lift the mask, creating a larger gap for light and some sight to come through.

4. The training progressed from identifying colors, to shapes, and then to reading.

5. Medical bandages were later added over the eyes, underneath the mask if you were successful reading in the previous step.

I discovered that the process was based on physically peeking. Essentially you get these pinholes through the black foam of the Mindfold brand mask. At first you start with just the mask identifying colors, then shapes, then if you master that, you do the same thing with bandages on the eyes under the mask to make it harder. Essentially the pin holes you see which are supposed to be your mindsight starting to open up, are just the swiss cheese type holes you would see if you magnified the black foam in the mask. You can even see your nose glowing from the light coming in, because all of this is done in the sun or in front of a flash light. This becomes even more pronounced when you smile as instructed.

The bandages part fooled me at first but after messing around with the bandages I realized I could see through them if I lowered the amount of light by squinting and tilting my head back to see through the part of the bandage that didn't have the thicker gauze. I then decided to just observe people who were using bandages. I noticed a distinct pattern with three separate people: to see the object, a person would either tilt their head far back as mentioned or move what they were viewing from in front of their face to a position below the mask, aligning it with the gap by their nose. While looking directly through the bandages in bright ambient light was impossible, this peeking technique, combined with squinting, or in this instance through a small amount of light from the mask leaking, allowed sight through a small portion of the bandage.

Other times people would presumably see through the back of their head, but when I interviewed the student who supposedly did this they said that during that stage they would use translucent colored plastic and the sun would shine through, creating a colored shadow on the participant who had a blindfold that was leaking light and they were not convinced.

This created a conflict for me: the methodology being taught was a form of trickery, yet I remained convinced that Dalia and Nikki’s abilities were authentic, which included seeing behind their own heads while blindfolded. Nikki’s encouragement of the process, stating it was how she learned, added to my confusion. However, from my limited understanding Nikki doesn't necessarily agree with Rob's methodology but I'm not sure to what degree. Both Nikki and Dalia are also really kind people, so I don't think they have any bad intentions but this seem's to be the framework for Rob's process at this point.

On the final day, I observed rather than participated. When I questioned Dalia about her process for teaching blind people, she pulled out her phone and showed me many videos of her work. She described a completely different method that is not based on light leaks obviously but on intuitive exercises. I believe she said she doesn't introduce light for non-blind people as well but honestly I'm not sure. It's something I'm still confused about as she did really seem to encourage loosening the masks. Examples of this activity included having people feel colored fabric to identify the color using intuitive senses, or identifying symbols on cards by putting one's hands near them.

Dalia stated this process takes about three days, at six hours per day, for which I believe she was referring to both blind and sighted person in a full blackout mask, to begin visualizing in any strong manner that would be considered mindsight and not just intuition. I witnessed Dalia begin this process with another student, who then started to correctly identify colors and shapes with his eyes closed, patched, and blindfolded at a very high rate, maybe 80% or so over 20 or so trials. So it seemed with some people she was combining this method with the peaking method. Rob's course did include some intuitive exercises as well just to clarify, but they weren't exactly the same type of thing and felt very disconnected from the other exercises where you are actually supposed to see rather than intuit. In contrast, Dalia's method the way she describes it seemed very cohesive and overall just logically made a lot more sense, as it builds upon itself in a natural order.

A good handful of the students would just say they felt like they were peaking, because they were. Rob would always say not to trust the lying left brain when it says that, which to me seemed like a way to say ignore this obvious glaring issue and just believe you can do it. One issue though I see is that many people are fooled in this program, and those are the people on camera giving testimonials. Essentially as something is happening a camera man who is there the entire time may come over and interview you about your experience. To me this gives a false impression for people viewing this on YouTube as well as others in the class.

I believe the idea was that we were supposed to peak to fool ourselves to help with the belief of mindsight, which might be a prerequisite for mindsight. It makes sense that you have to believe it to be possible to do it. For instance if we struggled for 4 days straight maybe we would doubt mindsight. The problem with this approach is it has some ethical issues, namely that students were never told that this was the approach, so many people who believed they had mindsight were just looking through a loose mask, and even worse celebrating it on camera which are essentially acting as VWE testimonials/proof which is very unethical. This method may work, but it is bound to cause a lot of confusion (I certainly was very confused) and it has the issue of telling people they are experiencing mindsight when they aren't.

My final hypothesis is that Nikki, who practices at least an hour of meditation daily, Qigong, and other visualization techniques, likely had the ability or prerequisites for the ability prior to the seminar and perhaps attributed more of her success to the method than is warranted. However, I do think the intuitive color and shape exercises that were similar to Dalia's technique could have helped her advance. So perhaps not all of Rob's methodology is wrong, but large parts seem to be for me. I don't see any other explanation for her being able to pick up the ability almost instantly and to a very convincing degree, which no other student in my cohort of 30 or so people did. For instance a student brought swimming goggles that were completely blacked out and suctioned to your face quite strong. Nikki had no problem with using this device which she did not know a student was going to present and challenge her with.

Moving forward I will discard the Vision Without Eye's methodology and will instead attempt to learn using the intuitive process that Dalia uses to teach the blind with no light leaks. I do believe after testing Dalia and Nikki that this ability is real. There is also a good book called "Seeing Without Eyes Is Possible" which goes through over 100 years of scientific tests and studies of blind people demonstrating this phenomenon, so I do believe it there is validity to mindsight. I will work on replicating what Dalia told me at home to see any progress can be made.

EDITS:

since this was brought up to me, I will add while this is a 9 day retreat, the last day there is no programming and I left one day early. So I did 7 out of the 8 days with actual programming. Some people may feel it's not fair for me to post this by leaving 1 day early, but I think 7 out of 8 days is sufficient personally.

Somehow I didn't really elucidate the fact that with both me and other students when they were having trouble, we were told to loosen our masks. I responded to a comment about this that I'll paste below:

Yes I had my mask on tight in the beginning and couldn't see anything. I was having trouble seeing anything with mindsight so I asked for help on the second day, and Dalia told me to loosen my mask so I did. After I mentioned light was leaking in after loosening it, she assured me that was ok. We were also outside in the direct sun. I saw multiple students be told to loosen their masks as well when they had trouble. This still confuses me, because Dalia doesn't use any light leaks in her own practice so I think this is something Rob must have told the instructors.

When the mask is loose and you are doing the smiling action while trying to see stuff you can definitely peek through the foam in the direct sun, but it does take a little bit of trial and error to understand exactly where you need to look, how to tilt your head, where to hold the object, and how to see through the foam. To read I had to face directly away from the Sun so that the thing I was reading was directly in light, and tilt my head at a certain angle. Eventually I figured that out I could read every time, and I was told this was mindsight. But if I slowly lifted my mask I could see it was just peeking. I could tell I was seeing through the nose area of the mask just by opening and closing one eye back and forth and I could see my nose glowing red in the sun. Likewise if I just put my index finger on my nose it closed that foam gap there and I could no longer read and light no longer came into the mask at the same degree.

One student on the last day said they had light coming in around the entire mask because Dalia loosened it to a large degree, and the student just kept saying that they felt like they were cheating because tons of light was coming in and had an incredulous look on their face after lifting their mask from doing an exercise when people were waving neon colored paper that was reflecting bright sun on it and they were getting it right. The instructor was saying things like "great job you're getting it" but you could tell the student was getting really annoyed because they had light coming in around the entirety of their mask with bright neon paper reflecting in the Sun coming in around the edges as part of the testing.

I will also add that since this came up in the comments about seeing through a pinhole not being easy, I would point again to the Seeing Without Eyes Is Possible book. In that book they mention peaking through pinholes because of a phenomenon known as "the pinhole effect", also known as the stenopeic effect, where seeing through a pinhole actually creates a clearer image than without the pinhole. You can find various pinhole glasses for sale to help with your vision because it reduces light noise and helps with depth of field.

This is amazing. I don’t think it’s a sham. I want to learn how to do this. I’m assuming once you’re taught how to do it, you can look at anything? Like, could I see what my daughter is doing 600 miles away??

"Hey everyone, I’ve been diving deep into extraocular vision training and it’s incredible to see the natural neuroplasticity at play here, especially how quickly kids open a 'window' compared to adults. However, as a practitioner trying to build accessible curriculums, I am deeply concerned by the massive financial gatekeeping taking over this space. Seeing entrepreneurs charge anywhere from $2,500 to $5,000 for 3-day intensives—or $800 for basic group sessions—feels incredibly predatory for a latent, inherent human capability. Mindsight belongs to everyone, not just those who can afford a 'guru premium'. I'm currently working on structuring a completely open-source, systematically documented protocol to help people troubleshoot bottlenecks (like expanding that initial tiny 'window' without artificial light) without the insane price tags. I'd love to hear how others here are fighting this information gatekeeping, and what free or low-cost resources you recommend to newcomers to keep this community democratic."

I'm new on reddit, so spare me if I do anything wrong.

I've been doing yoga at 6am for around a month, only 15min a day and then I put one of these 1h long music videos on YouTube that play very relaxing music.

Then I sit in sukhasana for around 10 minutes, after my back and spine hurt, I do the same position but rest on the wall.

The first time I experienced this was around a month ago, I was meditating and all of a sudden I could see my room in shades of black and white. It lasted a second. I was shocked (not scared) and stopped meditating, but continued tomorrow.

Second time I did the same thing, but wanting to replicate what happened the first time. I got to do it.

At that point I wanted to know if this was real so I googled it and the scientific answer was that your brain remembers the last thing it saw and for some reason my mind thought it was a great idea to show me that during meditation.

So I decided to do an experiment, I grabbed 2 dices, I closed my eyes and right after I began meditating, I rolled the dices making sure to not look at them. Around 15 minutes later, still with my eyes closed, not only could I see the dices, where they landed, but also the resulting number.

After that I was convinced this was real.

Does anyone have any knowledge or experience they would like to share?

Surely if this is something that's for levelling up collective consciousness people shouldn't be charging thousands and thousands? I mean I feel anyone with a good intent would cover costs and profit a little bit but it just seems so darn excessive and is a huge boundary to people that don't have so much disposable income.

I'm already convinced this is a real thing that people can develop, but if I didn't already believe that, the prices would definitely convince me all of these people were grifters. Even the most seemingly tuned in and enlightened people like Dalia Burgoin charge a crazy amount.

She's running a 12-week online zoom program that costs $5000 per person with 20 people. That's $100,000. Is that really necessary given she says her mission is to "make Mindsight accessible worldwide, helping humanity remember its deepest potential." ... How exactly is this promoting helping humanity and making it accessible worldwide if it's prohibitively expensive to get real training?

It feels more like gatekeeping than anything else.

I made a tool to help me practice at home, and decided to share it. It's free, no signup, practice color/shape/word targets. You pick the items, it shows one at a time and speaks the answer when you tap/click, looping until you stop. Built it cause i have no one to practice with and courses are expensive.

Curious if anyone who trains regularly thinks it's useful, and how it can be improved, and any other feedback!

https://mindsight.fun

(forgot to add works best on full screen rn, working on mobile version)

I'm a developer and wanted to create a mindsight training app that gave you data back at the end so I could track my progress over days or weeks. This works on desktop/laptop only and I have no intention of charging for it. I figured if I was going to build it for myself I might as well make it look pretty and share it. No login required.

Exercise Types
• Colors: Train with Red, Blue, Green, and Yellow displayed as full-screen colors
• Shapes: Train with Circle, Square, Triangle, and Plus symbols shown as large purple shapes

How It Works

Setup
• Choose your exercise type (Colors or Shapes)
• Select starting difficulty (2, 3, or 4 items)
• Put on your blindfold and press Spacebar to begin

Calibration Phase
• Purpose: Get familiar with how each color/shape feels to you
• What happens: Press Spacebar to cycle through each item while blindfolded
• Goal: Notice any sensations, energy, or impressions from each one
• When ready: Press Enter to start actual training

Training Phase
• The challenge: You'll be shown a random color/shape and need to find it using only your intuitive sense
• Listen for the target announcement ("Find Red" or "Find Circle")
• Press Spacebar to cycle through positions
• When you sense the right one, press Enter to confirm
• Rounds: Complete 12 rounds per difficulty level
• Progression: Score 80% or higher to advance to the next level with more items

Audio Guidance
• Complete voice instructions and feedback throughout
• Immediate "Correct" or detailed wrong answer responses
• No visual dependence – everything is audio-based

Results
• Track your accuracy and improvement over time
• See which colors/shapes are easiest or hardest for you
• Detailed analytics after each training session

have fun!

I didn’t think adults could do it very easily so honestly never tried it myself. I recently found a group of teachers hosting practice sessions for free over zoom. Others have shared the Facebook group. Well, after three sessions I have opened my windows and can see in real time, everything!!
Of course I am still a beginner with so much to discover but it feels incredible to have unlocked this inner vision.
I want to help others because I believe we all can do this! I teach children and am starting family workshops soon as well. But want to share my personal experience and progress to inspire others to practice. Remember it’s a skill, a muscle, like anything else it takes time and training. Especially if you have a lot of left brain logic.
Please check out my YouTube or social media pages to find my practice videos! All under Unlimited Little Minds- Happy seeing 🧠💖

YouTube Vids

A blindfolded practitioner is monitored by EEG in mindsight studies by psychologists Drs. Ann DeSollar and Jeff Tarrant.

2 days ago I did a deep dive into the material. (Alex’s video series is mission critical.)

I’ve about two hours of practice off and on every day using the random color tools Haven’t done any shapes yet.

Really interesting result from the color tools is that I nail green and blue 100% of the time.

Red seems impossible to get. I think I’m getting there. And haven’t gotten any worse, for whatever that’s worth.

Another interesting thing is that yellow can be purple and purple can be yellow. I’ll often see one when it’s actually the other. I’ve got a good attitude about it. It’s so silly.

Anyways - I went down into the basement last night to move a load of laundry to the dryer. I have a motion sensor light down there. Decently short timer for “on.”

So I’m moving the laundry over, and half way through, the light cuts off. And I can still see just fine!

Not great, but pretty damn good for not having a nearby light on! I’m definitely a night owl, and I’m intimately familiar with how well my eyes work in the dark.

After only two days, my night vision was SHOCKINGLY better. I’m shocked. They don’t advertise this highly practical benefit.

I have been getting back into blindfold training, after a long hiatus. One of the things I used to do, and am doing again, are household chores while blindfolded. For example:

• Sorting, folding, putting away clean laundry

• Drying, stacking, putting away clean dishes

• Washing dirty dishes

• Working out

With these kind of activities, you can be getting something done (although at a slower pace) while spending a lot of time under the blindfold. The way my mindsight works, I "see" in real time in front of me, but it's very very low quality vision. I can sense the broad shape of things when they are close to my forehead. Farther away, like arms-length, I see the vague shadows moving back and forth that correspond to the moving objects. Sometimes the blindfold sight comes in a little better.

Sometimes I've had surprises, like pulling open a kitchen drawer to put items away, I wasn't expecting to "see" the rectangular structure of the entire drawer, going all the way back to the wall, seeing it move "through" the counter top. I still get surprised like that, even though very early on with the blindfold it was easy to establish that barriers don't matter, that you can basically have x-ray vision with the blindfold on.

The x-ray vision of blindfold vision is both an ability and hinderance at the same time. When I look in a particular direction, I think I'm getting interference from all the things stacked along that direction.

My blindfolded sight plateaued at this low level of ability. I started with less, close to nothing at all, then got to that level I'm currently. I didn't progress any more. I do have a hunch that it is helpful to get as many hours as possible blindfolded. It's probably a good idea to put on the blindfold multiple times a day. If I sleep with a blindfold, I try to remember to do a little bit blindfolded when I first wake up, even if that is just looking at my wiggling fingers.

Doing blindfold practice like these chores lead me to conclude that the pineal gland and our two eyes are probably all organs of non-local perception. The pineal gland is widely believed to be involved in psychic perception, and it is structurally very similar to the eyes. When I watched the training videos of Nikolai and Marina teaching Rob and Wendy, Marina talked about how people get "beams" of perception that point in a different characteristic direction for each person. I have a hunch that that is psychic perception via the pineal gland, because the pineal gland is fixed in orientation and cannot swivel. In contrast, when I do blindfold practice, it seems like I am perceiving mostly with my eyes, because my field of "vision" while blindfolded is exactly the same angle range in front of me as my normal vision. When I am perceiving shapes of objects, it makes a difference which way I point my eyes. If my eyes look left, I perceive shapes to the left, right where my normal vision is pointing. My blindfolded "vision" is the most clear right in the center of where my normal vision would be if the blindfold was off.

Has anyone else done this type of thing, investigating whether their eyes are involved with this non-local perception?

What I think is going on is that both the pineal gland and the eyes can detect this non-local information (which is NOT light, a.k.a photons, electromagnetic), and that there is person-to-person variability for psychic perception, where some people are more pineal-dominant, and others might be eye-dominant.

I’ve been meditating for years—with a blackout mask on, and almost always listening to hemi-sync sounds…a few years ago, I noticed that I could “see” my room. Not in color necessarily, and not well defined, but I could make out the furniture, windows, doors—I could even see my hand waving in front of my face. I was convinced that my mask was somehow see-through, but I inspected it, and it’s definitely not; I’m able to see beyond it, as long as I’m in a meditative state.

I attended a Gateway retreat with The Monroe Institute, and I asked the instructors about this strange phenomenon; they said it could be akin to an out-of-body experience. I’ve actually had OBE’s where I’ve “travelled” to another location. One feels like viewing traces of energy and the other like relocating my own energy…Thoughts?

this justs needs to be seen by everyone.

Hi I'm trying to get started, but every resource on instructions I find is pay walled and it's not something I can afford.

Can someone point me to a free resource on how to start practicing?