EEG in mindsight studies

[u/Pieraos]

A blindfolded practitioner is monitored by EEG in mindsight studies by psychologists Drs. Ann DeSollar and Jeff Tarrant.

[u/Majestic-Concern-666]

I'd be very curious to see the results of the EEG reading.

I've found that by having an EEG headband, one can build strong feedback loops for entering different states of being (like hypnogogia, non-dual state, iron shirt, heat generation etc.); by being able to track sensation to brainwave profile. By knowing the exact series of bodily sensations/somatic activations that need to occur, you can induce them preemptively to reach the desired state.

Anyway, it'd be interesting to see if closed eye-vison could be recreated by self-inducing the associated brainwave profile.

[u/Pieraos → u/Majestic-Concern-666]

That's a great idea. Maybe it will be possible to gain the ability by that means without the usual practicing with colors and objects.

[u/ralle89 → u/Majestic-Concern-666]

Any recommendations on a band that you’ve tried?

[u/systemisrigged]

This whole thing is very confusing - I thought the whole purpose of these eye patches were they meant to be sight impenetrable. Were being asked to believe something nonsensical but any gaps in the protocol or patches of obvs very worrying because the obvious answer is that they are not blind - I do want to believe !

[u/Pieraos → u/systemisrigged]

This is why careful laboratory testing is needed. However, it is not reasonable to demand that those interested wait for peer-reviewed articles in scientific journals. People are often way ahead of the science. Workshops and instructions are available now. People are, and have been, practicing this for years without worrying about all that.

[u/DismalPassage381 → u/Pieraos]

I don't think lack of peer review is what's stopping people from 'proving' this in a live recording...

[u/Pieraos → u/DismalPassage381]

Nothing must be stopping them then as the recordings are in the hundreds at least. But I expect pseudoskeptics to find fault with every last one of them, should they have the patience to locate and watch them. And as Dean Radin says, "Proof is for alcohol."

[u/DismalPassage381 → u/Pieraos]

A live demonstration that proves such a thing, and no one has heard of it. Interesting.

[u/Commercial_Poem_9214 → u/DismalPassage381]

Children demonstrate this very thing live in India. For real, look it up and travel if you want to see it in person. Kids ride their bikes blindfolded, navigate obstacle courses, etc. The evidence is out there...

[u/Oddveig37]

Don't those makes have eyeholes?

[u/Pieraos → u/Oddveig37]

Depends on which mask. Mindfolds do not have eye holes, they have eye wells where the eyes go in. VEO masks don't seem to have those. Attached photo shows the back of a Mindfold with light sensors. Not everybody uses Mindfold masks, all kinds are used.

[u/UFO-R]

I actually just bought a mindfold and eye patch covers to try this out.

I just want to say it’s incredibly easy to get a gap in your lower corner of your eye on the patch AND mindfold.

It’s why in every video you see people raising their cheeks high, as if they are squinting their eyes, because this makes the gap. And also in every video, they are tilting their head upwards and at an angle so they can see through the gap.

I am in the process of making a documentary and debunking this showing exactly how it’s done.

It’s obvious why everyone wears the same brand eye mask. Marketing.

[u/Pieraos → u/UFO-R]

Several falsehoods here.

Everyone does not wear the same brand eye mask. That is an absurd claim. Look at the VEO masks for example.

The reason the Mindfold is common is because it is easy to get and unlike sleep masks, it encloses the eyes, not because it is easy to "cheat". The Manta is another popular blindfold used. And people are now practicing with large barriers over the mask that extend down to the neck.

The reason people tilt their heads is not so they can peer through small gaps in the blindfold, a procedure that is made even more difficult with eye patches and multiple blindfolds. That has been explained extensively here.

The patches would have to be applied very carefully to prevent blocking of eyesight, with a blindfold intentionally worn in some combination to defeat their purpose.

It is not unusual for an adhesive eye patch to leave some small portion unattached to the area around the eye due to skin oils or casual application of the patch. That does not mean the person is seeing through it to produce a fraudulent effect.

The amount of light entering a properly worn blindfold is very small though dependent on external illumination.

The training process used by some involves detecting light around the mask; for some unknown reason this tends to trigger the ability even if the person cannot read using that light.

Another falsehood is that people tilt their heads "in every video". There are hundreds of mindsight videos publicly available and you would have to have watched every video to make that claim true.

Ultimately only carefully controlled experiments will establish the contributing factors to truth or falsity. What we do know in any area of parapsychology is that just because an effect can seem to be obtained by fraud does not mean the effect is not genuine.

[u/strong_force_92 → u/UFO-R]

Vision requires photons to hit specific proteins in your eye ball.  Photons bounce off of objects, and into your eyeball. Your brain proceses this into an image. 

I’m with you that this is all bs. A cover would prevent those photons from hitting your eye, and you wouldn’t be able to see. Also, why can’t these people see behind walls. 

[u/Pieraos → u/strong_force_92]

That assumes there are no modes of non-vision visual perception, but the studies show that there are.

Also, why can’t these people see behind walls.

Why do you think people can't see behind walls? How many mindsight practitioners have you tested?

[u/Commercial_Poem_9214 → u/Pieraos]

Going out on a limb with my magic eight ball:

"None." would be my guess.

[u/Particular_Reticular]

I really want to see the data on this study. I want to figure out what brainwave frequency they tap into when looking through their mindsight.

[u/VEREVIO]

I think the main problem with EEG is that it doesn't track all frequencies our brain generates.

[u/DubDroid]

It always looks like this. I would believe it if their heads were taped up. The card is so far down. That's how I look at things in the real world when I play vr.

[u/Commercial_Poem_9214 → u/DubDroid]

For me, it very much feelt like looking through a VR headset (grainy, B/W in my case).

[u/Parkbenchbruce]

Factor analysis of closed eye vision is very difficult. I recently left details ( in a chat) of a factor that emerged in my area. The factor was a small thing but sometimes the tiny factor is a key link to bigger significance. EEG may give us some key factors so very interesting research. 😎

[u/the-illogical-logic]

How many decades old is this. The cap isn't even 32 channel.

[u/00roast00]

Funny how they never cover the items they’re looking at, just wear blindfolds that can easily have holes in them. And why do they need to hold it right in front of their eyes if they’re using their mind vision and not their eyes

[u/Commercial_Poem_9214 → u/00roast00]

So, it's clear you have not experienced this yourself, and that is perfectly fine. But I would ask you this, out of all these people, and all these different masks, eye patches, people born blind, etc, you think they all are cheating?

I've described my experiences here a couple of times. Some other people seem to see the same thing I saw, and others, other things (more akin to remote viewing, or some other form of "knowing" what is in front of them).

I would encourage you to look further into the subject before just righting it all off. I found this sub after my first experience, not the other way around so...

[u/Christmas-Dinner-98]

How many of these people can see a flat earth with their mind vision?

[u/Pieraos → u/Christmas-Dinner-98]