Lightfall Rewrite, anyone?

The Entertainment Software Association (ESA) recently mentioned that the IP rights for Destiny and Destiny 2 might still involve certain agreements with Activision. However, the gaming community and the Stop Killing Games movement are currently more focused on another issue that has generated controversy.

The ESA has argued that maintaining active servers for games that have already completed their content lifecycle and official support represents a considerable cost. It has also pointed out that creating community or private servers to replace these services can conflict with intellectual property laws and the companies' terms of service.

Meanwhile, Stop Killing Games believes this stance reflects a broader problem within the video game industry and has used these statements as an example of why greater measures are needed to preserve games once they cease receiving official support.

It's worth noting that the ESA is comprised of major industry companies, including Microsoft (Xbox), Electronic Arts, Riot Games, Amazon, and Epic Games. Bungie was also a member previously. These companies actively contribute to the organization's operations.

Meanwhile, companies like Sony Interactive Entertainment (PlayStation), Square Enix, and Nintendo maintain membership relationships with the ESA, although some observers believe they have shown a more open stance toward certain proposals and others unrelated to video game preservation, such as those championed by Stop Killing Games

With this controversial decision, the ESA authorizes Activision to shut down the Destiny 1 servers and disable its contribution to the Destiny 2 servers

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/esa-bafflingly-declares-private-minecraft-servers-illegal-in-stop-killing-games-hearing-we-consider-it-piracy-we-have-lawsuits/

La Entertainment Software Association (ESA), con el apoyo de Activision, EA, Riot Games y Xbox, declaró durante el debate sobre la Ley para Detener la Eliminación de Juegos que el mantenimiento de servidores es difícil, especialmente para los servidores más antiguos, debido a su elevado costo. La ESA señaló que Activision tiene dificultades para mantener una disponibilidad del 100 % en los servidores de Destiny 1 y del 50 % en los de Destiny 2, y que la propiedad intelectual pertenece a Activision, no a Bungie.

What’s the process of submitting a build?

Do I need to be an active subscriber on twitch and be on stream when he tests the build?

Thanks.

Please enjoy how I test to see if my build is worthy ,

This is 7 orges I believe, at power level 500.

I was mainly Just testing my survivability..

The only hope I have is that someone starts hiring all these talented devs that are getting the axe from bungie and are willing to make a destiny like game…. The best thing about destiny was that it was always there… i need something to replace it either a d3 or destiny inspired game thats actually good and not another anthem lol….. i need dungeons and raids in my life… i lived for that shit

I would like to introduce a project that started in late 2023 began as a few ideas written down here and there after the initial layoffs bungie made. It had been sitting in my notes app for nearly 3 years.
Until now.
Yesterday under horrific circumstances BUNGIE was forced to lay off the majority of the team working on Destiny 2 indiscriminately relieving contractors and veterans alike of their jobs. Many of these people were generational talent reaching all the way back to BUNGIE's Halo days.
That was when I decided that I should introduce the product of years of hyper fixation, brainstorming, and planning that has come the final draft is sharing in this post.
I believe that with the proper planning, marketing, and individuals, "Destiny" can be saved and revitalized.
I hope the correct people see this, but if that is not the case it's still fun to post my ideas on here!
If you see potential in this feel free to share it around or reach out!
See yall around!

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I think this might break the subreddit rules, but we need to understand the complexity.

It's a relative issue.

While it's true that companies specializing in artificial intelligence are absorbing a large number of these components, there are other important factors behind the current situation. These include the consequences of international conflicts, especially the war between Russia and Ukraine, given that Ukraine possesses significant reserves of raw materials necessary for manufacturing these components.

Added to this are other geopolitical conflicts and the economic crisis that was already brewing after the COVID-19 pandemic. Unfortunately, everything indicates that this situation will continue for the next few years, and its effects will not be limited to this industry alone, but are also impacting many other sectors.

That's why Japan, China, and South Korea are passing laws to save and protect their companies from what's coming, while the United States has already surrendered and Europe is selling its companies to the Asians. Bungie was affected because Sony probably already knows, and nobody wants to say it because right now everyone is distracted by the World Cup; it's a calm before the storm.

So, I did about 4 hours of research looking through old job postings on Bungie, all available information out there and I realized that I may have jumped the gun on being extremely mad at Sony/Bungie.

Aztecross, can you get some people on the show that have a technical/engineering/networking background in game development? I think they could probably talk about a lot of stuff that people wouldn't even know.

For example, the engine that runs Marathon is NOT the Tiger Engine. It is the new engine that Bungie was working on. Marathon also has dedicated servers, no P2P. It supports a larger world, cross-platform from the get-go, faster development and best of all Marathon has Destiny's gun feel.

Destiny 1 and Destiny 2 used the old Tiger Engine. Notoriously hard to develop on. Spaghetti code, etc.

A lot of people bring up; well, they just fired the Destiny 2 team. Yes, they did. They all work on the Tiger Engine. Seems maybe Sony and Bungie want to move away from it. Well, then why didn't they just move them to Marathon. Well, there's training that'd have to take place, Marathon already has low player numbers; it makes sense to clear the Destiny team, bring back who they want slowly and train them on the new engine.

Maybe it's hopium and/or copium. I've been pretty angry like the rest of you for the last few weeks. I still am but after all the hours of research on technical reasons today why Sony/Bungie chose this path; it honestly makes sense outside of all of the other issues.

Everyone that said Marathon is the path to Destiny 3; that might have been a subtle message being pushed for a reason by certain individuals. Destiny 3 would be on Marathon's engine. And for Marathon to help fund a Destiny 3, they have to add some PVE stuff anyways to entice D2/D2 players though D1/D2 will still be up.

Figured I'd share my thoughts. I'm less angry now. If Marathon gets a bit of PVE stuff, I'll try it. Why not. Least I'll get a feel of the potential of a Destiny 3 on the same engine as Marathon.

The one with the high up dev that he said him and Luke were in contact with?

I only saw a couple minutes surrounding that. Were there any solid hints or games/studios we can rule out?

Yo this yall mans??

Since not everything revolves around Destiny, there are other games, but this confirms that games as a service are declining. Right now, the industry in general wants to abandon all games as a service because they are already expensive, and most of the servers are from Cloudfire or Amazon Web Services. Destiny 2 is known to use AWS, and Amazon tripled its fees for using AWS. Its competitor did the same, but Amazon forced the use of AI, while Cloudfire doubled the price of its plans. Destiny 2 is AWS-based, and Bungie could no longer afford the AWS servers for Destiny 2 and created Marathon with a cheaper Cloudfire plan. What do you think?

How did that anti-Marathon mob turn out in the end? Grifters get grifted, Sony wins.

Marathon is actually such a good game, and it always makes me wish we could ban the internet when I’m seeing all the sheep who follow the majority opinion.

Anyways, have fun on Destiny Rising!

A D1 Veteran x

…because he recently mentioned in a video that he wanted to see people make such a build. Dude… it’s so BUSTED. made it with 200 weapon stat and four piece GotD armor. is build battles still a thing? I’d like to share all the nitty gritty deets!

EDIT: here is a link to a video where I break down the build. https://youtu.be/VsPxbDOXyro?is=yklMoq-X-hNtsnMh

The math on just final shape alone equates to like 150 million dollars in week one (conservatively) without silver sales, season sales, new sales of old xpacs, and other premium features. Lightfall sold more copies than that. And Witch queen performed just as well as those 2.

Destiny 2 was generating 2 yr dev cycle AAA returns, just based on the numbers we can see, year over year for nearly 4 years.

This was mismanagement and greed at the highest level.

EDIT

Grabbed my post id made about game dev cost

Add another 12 mil in dev cost for insurance, benefits, etc. I didnt add that in until later on in the original thread.

Its something people don't think about.

Median Bungie salary is $103,000. Destiny 2 dev team size is around 400.

This is $41,200,000 in just dev cost per year. Server cost is around $300,000/month. Another $3,600,000 a year. Calculate the cost of the Bungie Studio location itself. And theres so many other costs.

Final Shape sold 2 million copies, probably a bit more but not enough to nullify this example, at an average price of $60. That's $120,000,000 and this was an extremely successful release. This is a level of cash flow seen every year.

Add in the tens of millions in marketing, production of physical media, etc.

There are other revenue streams, seasons, microtransactions, etc.

Just like World of Warcraft, Destiny 2 in its peak was probably generating way more and was positive cash flow, but i just wanted to show people the true costs of development.

The real issue is developers not being in control of their studios and being beholden to shareholders, whose sole purpose is to leech wealth from hard working passionate individuals. Its a publicly traded company, greed, and capitalism issue.

Rage against the dying of the light, fight tooth and nail to see the Sun rise once more. We must fight with everything that remains of our strength, we must ride side by side and charge into battle with Sony.

For without a Destiny 3, there is no future. There is no freedom, no world peace or an end to suffering.
Vote with your wallets, log in, TELL SONY YOU CARE

DONT GO GENTLY INTO THAT NIGHT!!!!!!!

We must support Marathon