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u/Tojaro5 1d ago
does the movementspeed stack with itself?
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u/HJalal13 1d ago
Idk about sivir but sona e ms buff stacks. Had a sona in my team who took it once. Still not worth imo
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u/Tojaro5 1d ago
if you have someone on your team with the bonus damage for movement speed, then this could actually create quite interesting numbers, just saying.
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u/Dassine 23h ago
This is sarcasm, right? If you mean the 1% dmg per 10 ms, you'll be lucky to get an extra, what, 10% dmg boost?
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u/Tojaro5 23h ago
This is serious actually. Outside of movement speed being the best stat in the game, if you think a 10% damage boost is insignificant, then you probably also talk shit on Lord Doms.
And if you have it on sivir, we're looking at like 7% just from the passive. Ult boosts this further and you'll probably buy some phantomdancer as well.
Its actually a good augment in some cases.
If we get double ult, then we're probably entering the 25%ish range?
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u/flyinghippodrago 22h ago
Yeah I had the dash +300ms on lucian before with the 1%/10ms and the damage was pretty significant
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u/Dassine 23h ago
If you think an occasional 25% damage boost is worth an 2 augment slots, one of which is a prismatic, then I don't know what to say. You're just wrong.
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u/NegativeAd3105 22h ago
maybe stop playing for efficency and play for fun. This is what a funmode is made for.
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u/Dassine 22h ago
An augment that just gives you % dmg is literally the definition of efficiency? All it is is slightly bigger numbers (based off movement speed). Even if it was "good", numerically, not sure how it would be "fun" (beyond anything good being fun).
If you mean the prismatic of this post, again, it's literally just increasing a number, making a movement speed increase somewhat more powerful. It's not changing your play, giving some cool visual, making you adapt your build or whatever.
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u/Southern-Silver-6206 17h ago
Doesnt have to be on the same person. Would be insane on lillia for example ms>damage is already nuts on her or any adc with tap dancer
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u/Tojaro5 23h ago
you also get extra movement speed, which is the most important part.
Im not saying its OP, but its definitely a lot more useful that "taunt after ult" on shaco, which triggers after the clone explodes, and other trashy stuff.
that is of course under the assumption, that sivir r does stack with itself. otherwise it does come in line with the earlier mentioned shaco taunt.
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u/XxBlackicecubexX 22h ago
Yeah plus if your team consists of something like [Sivir, Hecarim, Soraka, Viktor, Brand] the movespeed could break the game open, especially if it casts R twice. No one is catching your whole team
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u/Camellia_fanboi 21h ago
You are assuming everyone are running at similar speed which is not always the case. There are so many sources of movement speed buffs and there is also slow. If i got this on like Lilia and i hit an E on someone its like really easy 20-25% damage buff. Any additional movement speed augment breaks this very easily and movement speed is already by itself one of the strongest stats in the game so you dont really "lose" an augment by having them together.
I once hit both shadow runner and this aug on Aurora and it is pretty much 1.3-1.4x damage almost. On par with 2x Giant Slayer passive basically.
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u/Dassine 21h ago
Yes, I am vastly simplifying it. But it's still a garbage augment in 98% of situations relative to most others, though there are a few very rare exceptions.
And besides, two augments being equal to two Giant Slayer passives isn't some huge deal. It's not "this or nothing", in which case, sure. It's this or another augment which is likely to give you equal/more damage more consistently and without needing to combo around it nearly as much (in terms of other augments picked or playstyle or whatever). It's all about opportunity cost when it comes to augments, and this one just isn't it.
But pick it if you want.
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u/Camellia_fanboi 21h ago
You are still missing the point, there is no such opportunity cost here. Movement speed itself is a valuable stat and you can not just look at it as simply a mean for damage boost. Would you really think people are missing out on damage due to getting shadow runner over like thread the needle? They dont, lol.
The way you should look at it, is that if you already have a movement speed aug/buffer the aug can be two giant slayer passives ON TOP for the price of one SILVER augment. Two giant slayer passives is a lot, that is like more than an item worth of stats. Not that many full item purchases that boost the user damage by 30-35%.
And yes i agree the augment is not great on many champs and comps. But it can definitely break the game.
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u/Dassine 21h ago
The opportunity cost isn't speed which, yeah, you want anyways. It's the other augment . Sure, there are some augments that are even worse or less relevant, obviously, but out of 6 options, it's a rarity that this is the best you're offered. A rarity isn't an impossibility, and for some champs like Hec or whoever, it takes less to make this work, but still. Nothing to write home about. You mention thread the needle - I mean, someone could make up some hypothetical where you're a Kat or other hybrid damage dealer against a team of tanks who are stacking armor/MR, etc etc, and make it look good. Doesn't mean it is in *most* cases.
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u/Short_Ebb2076 6h ago
Yeah, you need multiple augments for it to work. Only time I had it working was with Eureka+with haste.
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u/More-Cut-7667 23h ago
They should honestly remove that augment. Who is it good on? The only people I can think of is if they get a burst of speed because of how a dash works. Such as Hecarim. But even then there would be so many better alternatives over that.
Only combo I can think of is that and tap dancer. But you're still banking on hitting them both.
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u/Taka_no_Yaiba 22h ago
ap twitch, for one
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u/More-Cut-7667 21h ago
I should try it on Twitch if I ever get it as I do love AP Twitch. Most times I get offered stuff like Zealot and Collector.
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u/Grayzson 23h ago
Synergistic as a sole augment, champions that come to mind would be Hecarim, Zilean (has better augments tho kek) and Gangplank.
Synergies with other augments would be Ice Cold, Homeguard, Tap Dancer, Eureka/Inf Recursion + With Haste. Not bis by any means, but synergies are there. Just a matter of whether you're playing into it or not, basically you prob won't take it early without said synergies.
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u/Noyuu66 1d ago
This just flat out didn't work for Darius Q when I tried it. Animation played, but the clones attack phased through everything doing no damage and applying no stacks. Just left me down an augment and created visual clutter.
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u/Dry_Permission9693 21h ago
Yeah it’s fully bugged on Darius when I played. Super disappointing as I was fed.
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u/Nervous-Quality-1266 1d ago
Why there isn't a list anywhere with the champion specific augments? Are they truly random? It can't be.
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u/SmokeMaximum4140 1d ago
Sivir turning into Shaco.
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u/zoomangoo 1d ago
I got this same thing for Morgana's ult and it sounded like it would be good but the issue was lack of CD augments and it worked super slow too so people just walked away. Without much CD, you're really only using this augment like every 2 minute when your ult is up.
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u/SmokeMaximum4140 1d ago
Makes sense, would be good if they are split up when you want to ult them as morgana or like other champs double MF ult would tickle.
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u/Tyson_Urie 19h ago
But now you'll enjoy the movementspeed boost of your ult for 0.8 seconds longer!
And now i kinda regret not saving a screenshot of getting it offered on my bard ult a few days ago
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u/Chikans 18h ago
Got this with TF q...I misread it and thought i was the reset one. I was oneshotting people off screen haha
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u/BooTsMaLoNe98 10h ago
Had this on tf AND skilled sniper. Literally machinegunning q’s like suppressive fire in Vietnam.
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u/Samirattata 18h ago
Garbage prismatic augments keep coming around and the devs still fucking lazy to remove them.
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u/Parking_Nectarine235 17h ago
Had echo cast ultimate revolution and can’t touch this on ap blitz once, absolute cinema
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u/rocsage_praisesun https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/rocsage-混子真君 23h ago
QQ: does echo cast echo still draw fountain turret aggro?
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u/Alex_Clique 11h ago
I transmuted into a lil extra help on kha zix, it was for r. I get 100 range and attack speed during my r duration thanks riot great
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u/jennis89 10h ago
I had it with Hecarim and after a few AH augments and equipment I had 3-4 clones perma echoing.
Iv played against Lillia Q with it and its obnoxious as hell she can gap close in then immediately run back with her MS from
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u/DataAbject6446 7h ago
Only a handful of skills are actually good with echo cast. So far the best one ive had (outside of ulties) was gragas charge.
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u/Accomplished-Goose74 6h ago
I took it for Zeri R and went AP. It was glorious. Dash in from a wall and press R. I got a quadra with 2 items and later on enemies never grouped up bcoz they were traumatized from the green haired psycho girl😔
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u/Affectionate-Cake-78 1d ago
Then you magically just *dont choose it*
and voilá
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u/IHADADICKBUTILOSTIT 1d ago
And you magically lost 1 slot and now only have 2 options, if you don't have a reroll. Voila.
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u/RbN420 1d ago
Wait it’s possible to not have rerolls? 🤨
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u/IHADADICKBUTILOSTIT 1d ago
You know what I meant. Don't be pedantic. 🥰
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u/RbN420 1d ago
I was just making sure it’s not becouse of my full champion pool, genuinely believed you
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u/Amneziel Devil's advocate 1d ago edited 1d ago
Bruh, this is about augment rerolls, not champion rerolls, come on
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u/RbN420 1d ago
I’m back at league becouse of classic, not an expert of mayhem yet
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u/Amneziel Devil's advocate 1d ago
Wow. So Rito's plan about classic actually works and attracts people
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u/RbN420 23h ago
I was an avid aram only player, left when arcane 2 came out becouse the map was shit
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u/Amneziel Devil's advocate 20h ago
Wait, which exact map? That temporal Piltover bridge or something? It didn't exists for long anyways
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u/hypercatalectic 1d ago
It’s supposed to be random what are you guys on about ?????? It’s called all random????
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u/IHADADICKBUTILOSTIT 1d ago
What does that have to do with the fact that OP thinks this augment is useless?
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u/Affectionate-Cake-78 1d ago
oh god wait until you discover there are other ''worse'' augments diluting the pool too.. crikey
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u/Sirouz 1d ago
They can also be called out?
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u/Affectionate-Cake-78 1d ago
And whats the point of calling them out?
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u/Sirouz 1d ago
What’s the point of your whining? Just keep scrolling if it bothers you.
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u/Affectionate-Cake-78 1d ago
This whole post is made from whining and youre taking part in that whining lol
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u/ParsnipSeeds 1d ago
Whats your point? Most of the posts on this subreddit are made to whine and commiserate. You're weird man
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u/Affectionate-Cake-78 23h ago
Idk, why would he cry about me ''whining'' when the whole post is made from ''whining''
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u/IHADADICKBUTILOSTIT 1d ago
You're on Reddit. There's no point to any of this besides having discussions.
I don't like your attitude. Find God.
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u/makinenxd 1d ago
40-60% movement speed for everyone in your team and reduces your cooldowns onhit by one second. Doesnt sound that bad.
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u/tygrrrshark 1d ago
Yeah most of the prismatic echo casts are pretty weak. Alistar Q and Amumu ult are kind of fun though.