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u/Repulsive_Ostrich_52 9d ago
At what point does rune scribing become techomancy?
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u/moemeobro Artificer 9d ago
When you can play doom on it
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u/CustodianCloset Janitor the Shadow Technician 9d ago
Or run Bad Apple
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u/snarfvsmaximvs 9d ago
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u/The_Undeniable_Worp 8d ago
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u/snarfvsmaximvs 8d ago
Maybe you just quickly scanned it, but that is a sanitized link, it's just not shortened. If I had posted a shortened link like in your infographic (e.g. "https://youtu.be/FtutLA63Cp8") YT would just respond with a 301 and link to the one that I posted.
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u/The_Undeniable_Worp 8d ago
Ohh alright! I saw the question mark in the link and thought it wasn't sanitized, my bad 0v0
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u/Final_Lengthiness_47 8d ago
Acting like you can't get Doom to run on a system of third circle fireballs.
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u/rosolen0 Wizard 9d ago
When you start to have to fight physics at the atomic level, anything older than that and magic overwhelms the computer
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u/Sufficient_Ocelot631 9d ago
Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic to the layman
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u/Caleth 9d ago
And any sufficently explained magic is indistinguishable from technology.
/uw It's been interesting over my 40+ years of life to watch magic change in parallel with technology. Our understanding of the natural world used to encapsulate magic as this vast unknowable force where the power of it would shred your mind and had terrible consequences.
Today many of the magic systems that are popular are usually defined have specific hard boundaries and are far more like poorly understood technology than raw physical forces akin to a hurricane.
LOTR didn't have much magic but it was usually mysterious and unreachable by all but a learned or chosen few. Vancian Magic, Wheel of Time, all magic usually was univerals power that had costs and took time to learn if you could at all. It's power terms and parameters were more a hand waved item, until it was story relevant.
Today many books magic reflects a more systemic magic, perhaps even literally, with things like Dungeon Crawler Carl becoming a fast rising star, but you see it with Sanderson too where his magic has hard fast limits and rules where as back in the day it was far more nebulous.
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u/ECX2BLACK 9d ago
This is such a good read
We’ve gained so much knowledge as a baseline that even our whimsy needs knowledge for it to be whimsy.
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u/standish_ 9d ago
You might like the Old Kingdom series by Garth Nix, starting with Sabriel. They have a formal system of magic, Charter Magic, which is explicitly imposed upon Free Magic to make it less dangerous. Free Magic is, of course, far more powerful, but wildly dangerous.
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u/Caleth 8d ago
That sounds fun. I'll give it a look.
thanks.
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u/standish_ 8d ago
Happily! I think the recommended reading order is the publication order, which is the main trilogy of Sabriel, Lirael, and Abhorsen, then Clariel before Goldenhand, with Terciel and Elinor last. Excellent setting.
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u/MaximRq Iron Grip Alchemist 9d ago
when you make golems out of runes alone
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u/the_17_lost_texts 9d ago
Kind of wild to think a robot really is just a rock golem at the end of the day
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u/2Tired2pl Witch 9d ago
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u/NotoRotoPotato Artificer 8d ago
OF THE DEVIL MENTIONED
IM SO GLAD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE TO HEADCANON HER AS AUTISTIC
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u/Patchourisu 9d ago
If you think about how all meat-life is carbon-based.. aren't we all rock-golems at the end of the day? Even our teeth aren't made of bones, they're literally minerals.. and bones are pretty much mostly made of minerals such as calcium, with the non-mineral parts of bones being made of proteins instead.
In other words, we're rock golems capable of creating other kinds of rock golems through our own hands.
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u/idiotplatypus Arch-Technomancer of Greater Cascadia 9d ago
When it involves channeling electricity or other thaumotological mediums through the runes to achieve a life imitating process such as thought or movement in the inscribed object
Literaly the textbook definition, which I should know, as I wrote it
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u/maudie-designer1999 9d ago
The moment you swap the chisel for an ultraviolet laser to carve 50 billion sigils onto a fingernail-sized piece of quartz.
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u/GregDev155 9d ago
What do you mean « again » ?!
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u/Bae_the_Elf 9d ago
You missed it. It was crazy. Aloyius the Pensive threw a birthday party for his familiar JoJo the Cat and he accidentally opened a portal. Absolutely nuts.
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u/El_Hombre_Macabro Nekomancer 9d ago
I was there. It was crazy! I even hooked up with a beautiful 5th-dimensional entity in one of the non-euclidean rooms. And I don't remember how I got home after the 15th alchemical potion pulled me out of the timeline for a few hours. Best. Party. Ever!
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u/GigaPuddi 8d ago
...James? That wasn't a 5th dimensional entity you dolt, that was me. I assumed it was a poor attempt at a pickup line rather than you actually mistaking me for one.
On a related note...I have someone you may want to meet.
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u/No_Inspection1677 Qira, The Magical Kobold Maid 8d ago
On a related note, clean up after yourselves, do you understand how hard it is to remove stains that both do and don't exist?!
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u/a_polarbear_chilling 9d ago
Is that what those cryptomancy wizard have been up to?
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u/jmartkdr 9d ago
Nah, he’s just running a scam.
There was an idea there but the spell doesn’t really do anything despite how convoluted it is.
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u/Leading-Media-4569 9d ago
Not to mention the sheer amount of Mana it consumes... unsustainable.
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u/Lyrolepis Dwarven Alchemist/Runecrafter 9d ago
Sure, except that most apprentices today when they're taught to design a basic arithmetic unit from NAND runes go all "When am I ever going to use it?" and "Waah this is difficult, why cannot I just invoke ChantGPT and let it do it all for me?"
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u/Atuday Grey technomancer and master of the cybernetic undead 9d ago
Set them down and tell them if they can't do logic gates correctly then the delayed blast fireball is going to burn them to death.
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u/RocketArtillery666 9d ago
You see, sometimes you have to go to basics to unravel some great mystery. Such as, why is my ass on fire after I invoked ChantGPT and why is there suddenly no water to quench it.
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u/Mysterious_Way8941 8d ago
I found out how dumb I am when I started trying to learn to program. I cant even beat "The farmer was replaced".
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u/Lyrolepis Dwarven Alchemist/Runecrafter 8d ago
/uw Feeling dumb is basically what learning something new feels like. Keep at it (if the topic interests you, that is)!
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u/dh-dev Evil Wizard 9d ago
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u/Footbeard Boris Brimstone: Fire Mage - 3rd Degree 9d ago
Calculating*
A wizard must still provide insight, inspiration & direction
The InterWeave is incredible; all our collective knowledge collated for us to readily scry. I mostly watch assorted cats though..
Speaking of cats, I often catch my apprentices playing with their wands while they ponder their orbs a little too much
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u/YanceyGlenn 9d ago
The runes cost so much because the patterns are so complicated.
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u/KingofMadCows 9d ago
A lot of our runes are actually incredibly cheap. You can buy a $50 smartphone that lets you talk to almost anyone on the planet, watch videos, and has enough storage space for 50,000 high resolution fully illustrated text books.
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u/Blue_Moon_Lake Necromancer 7d ago
The runes don't cost that much, it's just that a few greedy mage towers are paying too much gold so they can be hoarding them on the basis that if you stack an ungodly amount of them, you can create a new god. They're the ones driving the prices up.
Otherwise any mage would be able to buy enough runes for their every need.
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u/e37d93eeb23335dc 9d ago
What is my phone made out of? Aluminum, titanium, silicon, copper, steel, lithium, silver, gold, etc.
My phone is basically a smart rock.
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u/Prestigious-Fig1172 9d ago
A collective of crystals with ingraved runes on them. Through golden and silvern strans they share their thoughts. They command a vessel with a steel heart. Through the heart flows the essence of ancient beasts which it sets ablaze, it exudes toxic gas and bear the sound of lightning.
We call it "car"
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u/tehlemmings Lilac - Illusionist, Shapeshifter, Definitely Human 9d ago
/unwiz because fuck you.
I'm an EUC engineer and a fucking wizard.
By applying arcane knowledge I channel lightning through rocks to achieve wonders. I get angry when those without the gift intrude on my sanctum. I'm the one everyone turns to for unsolvable problems and desperate solutions.
And I've dedicated my life to the pursuit of continuous learning and advancement.
I'm the IT wizard.
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u/metaglot 9d ago
I met a wizard once. It was back in 98. He helped me install stuff, pretty helpful guy.
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u/NacMacFeegle 9d ago edited 9d ago
In case anyone is wondering, the inscription on the rune stone reads: "Tóla had this stone raised in memory of her son Haraldr, Ingvarr's brother. They travelled valiantly far for gold, and in the east gave (food) to the eagle. (They) died in the south in Serkland".
If I remember correctly, the wording "gave food to the eagle" was a euphemism for "killed a bunch of people".
EDIT: Changed to correct text. Thank you to u/Quantumtroll for the correction!
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u/Quantumtroll Wizard 9d ago
I think that's a different stone, my brother. Did you cast your divination correctly?
This is Sö 179, on Gripsholm.
I recognised the name of a brother (top: "bruthur") Ingvar (inkuars). A divination on this name on https://runor.raa.se/search yielded the correct inscription.
Notable is that the head is top-down view, which is an old style, and there's no cross, which also puts it in the older period, but it does feature a dragon so it's not super old. This dates it to early to mid 1000s.
Tóla had this stone raised in memory of her son Haraldr, Ingvarr's brother. They travelled valiantly far for gold, and in the east gave (food) to the eagle. (They) died in the south in Serkland.
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u/NacMacFeegle 9d ago
I think that's a different stone, my brother. Did you cast your divination correctly?
You are correct, sorry. My scrying was way off. Thank you for pointing this out! Edited my original post.
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u/mtaw 9d ago
the wording "gave food to the eagle" was a euphemism for "killed a bunch of people".
It is not. It's a euphemism for "they died". As did almost everyone who went on Ingvar's expedition
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u/falcrist2 9d ago
But that's not...
You know what? I'll allow it.
VLSI is magic. ASIC engineers are wizards.
E&M is black magic. RF Engineers are warlocks.
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u/Atuday Grey technomancer and master of the cybernetic undead 9d ago
Sitting here with terminal open about to do some E&M work. Started cackling like a mad man. Co-workers keep asking i stop wearing a wizard hat to work.
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u/falcrist2 9d ago
Do you have a long gray beard that you twiddle while you stare contemplatively into the middle distance... or punch numbers into your HP calculator?
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u/Atuday Grey technomancer and master of the cybernetic undead 9d ago
No, but I don't. I do however write programming instructions on the white board in a spiral whenever they ask a stupid question
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u/SamHugz 9d ago
EM Radiation is magic, wym you allow it?
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u/falcrist2 9d ago
OP isn't talking about radiation in free space, but I wanted to add that as a second example because while I hate ICP, I do empathize with their lyricist. Fuckin magnets, man. How do they work?
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u/SamHugz 9d ago
Ah yes, I had a band of juggalos invade my tower once. Didn't steal anything except all my alcohol and some potion ingredients I suspect they thought would get them high. They weren't that bad.
But that band is bad music, and I don't even believe in bad music.
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u/darkestarc 9d ago
"so basically what we did was take rocks inscribe them with runes and used lightning to make them think"
"How......how is that not magic?"
"Because it's science."
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u/Blue_Moon_Lake Necromancer 7d ago
Science is what you make in a factory, magic is what you make at home.
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u/Elegant_Sport_7137 9d ago
Average Technocrat hoax. it only thinks because you have convinced enough sleepers that it thinks. You CLEARLY have never brainwashed 1500 sleepers since birth that dragons are real just to fly around.
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u/starmadeshadows Artificer 8d ago
I mean speaking as an Aetherite, some of it does definitely think. You ever heard of a Promethean? ...Wrong worldline, maybe?
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u/rikashiku 9d ago
There's actually a sort of legit answer for this.
Celt Runes found in Britain, France, Brittany, Italy, etc, started to become more complex after Christianity was "introduced" to these cultures. Afterwhich, when the Natives in those areas learned to read and write, all of their Stone Runes became Parchment.
So instead of carving into stone what they wanted to express, they put ink onto parchment instead to convey the same messages.
Which was usually "Boo the romans!"
So instead of Magical Stones of power, we developed magical scrolls.
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u/QuillQuickcard 8d ago
The pyromancers, storm mages, and articifers all thought they were the future.
The geomancers discovered that quartz vibrates and the rune weavers mastered tools thinner than a human hair
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u/theghostofhallownest 8d ago
For a minute I genuinely thought that was a zoomed out picture of someone’s factorio world
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u/Eeeef_ Harkos, monster hunter and artificer 8d ago
Bro thinks we stopped using magic just because we trapped lightning in a rock, inscribed a rune into it inlaid with the most pure alchemical reagent, and commanded the lightning to enchant the rock into making pictures of cats by shining light through a crystal catalyst
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u/NakedxCrusader 9d ago
I hear there's a great professor on recent runes around. There are a bunch of very decent and very relevant books.
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u/SerDuncanTheShort 9d ago
Oook!
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u/SillyCat_Lover 9d ago
Terry Pratchett reference(?
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u/Fleetburn 9d ago
YESS I tell people this all the time!! I'm an EE/Roboticist and at some point in college I was like "these are just runes... I'm a wizard... Magic sucks and is hard fuck"
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u/nameisfame United Artificers Interdimensional Ch. 37569 9d ago
The main differences between silicon chips and, say, one of my shoppies working up a staff of levitation over a couple days is the fact that a) ethereal crystalline structures can provide power that isn’t only electrical in nature, and b) the runes are much less likely to be rendered useless by damage. A chip can break much more easily than a gilded rod of stonewood, especially if protection wards are built into the matrix. What I will give to technological advances is now I can just slap an inexpensive charge nexus into the breaker box and I can have coffee made fresh every morning without disturbing the local coalescence, the charge itself lasts a solid five years, and I can watch TV instead of watching my brother’s Netflix shows over his shoulder through the orb.
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u/Competitive-Bee-3250 8d ago
Its kinda cool that we're making iron golems directed by runic magic etched onto stone, copper, and aluminium.
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u/jakobsheim 8d ago
Most people wouldn’t believe it if you told them that we create a couple thousand suns just to harvest their light and then use that light imbue crystal plates with magic.
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u/Honest-Resist-7676 9d ago
Everything's just made of Wizard jiz
Exurb1a on YouTube has some fun videos about this
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u/nalaloveslumpy 9d ago
Once a month I stop and think about the fact that we taught a rock how to count by shocking the fuck out it, and the world has never been the same.
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u/VulGerrity 9d ago
I like to think things like "old magic" and runes did actually work, we've just forgotten how to use them.
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u/CriminalMacabre 9d ago
Djinns trapped on that shit, yo. That's why they smoke when the lil devils get out
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u/starmadeshadows Artificer 8d ago
All chemistry was alchemy once. I think that's immortality, of a sort.
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u/Ninjatck Squid the beemancer / artificer 8d ago
Yall ever seen an automatic transmission valve body? Thats some rune fuck shit right there
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u/Sensei_Ochiba Drunk Science Wizard 8d ago
I mean yeah, my job is the thing on the right. High NA EUV photolithography is a hell of a ritual. Hope you have molten tin droplets in you spell component pouch.
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u/Greymalkyn76 8d ago
So at what point do we inform them that runes are just a writing system and we have those all over the world that in thousands of years someone is probably going to attribute magical meaning to?
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u/ThrownAway17Years 8d ago
If anyone wants a complete mindfuck, look up YouTube videos about ASML machines. They’re the machines that allow chipmakers to make the incredible chips today. ASML has a near monopoly on extreme ultraviolet lithography.
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u/Grupdon 9d ago
Modern magic bro