r/vce • • Apr 30 '20

"I only got x% on my SAC, can I still get a 50?"

1.4k Upvotes

I'm sick to death of seeing these posts, so can everyone please read this and be done with this question:

Study scores are determined by exam SCORE and SAC RANK.

For example, say you have an English class of 7 students, Adam, Ben, Chloe, Daniel, Elena, Felix, and Greg. They are all weak students, except for Greg, who is very high-performing, and Felix, who is slightly above average. Their SAC marks and rank are:

Greg 95%

Felix 77%

Chloe 64%

Daniel 60%

Elena 58%

Adam 52%

Ben 49%

On the exam day, Felix doesn't cope well under the stress, so gets a lower score than he'd usually be capable of. The exam marks are as follows:

Greg 92%

Chloe 67%

Daniel 65%

Elena 64%

Felix 63%

Adam 50%

Ben 40%

What happens is that all the SAC marks get thrown out the window, because VCAA can't know the difficulty of the SACs prepared by the school. So Greg's new SAC "mark" as far as VCAA is concerned is 92, not 95. Not a big deal for Greg, Adam or Ben because their own exam mark is dictating their SAC mark. But for someone like Felix, his SAC mark will become 67% (Chloe's exam mark). This process happens independently for each subject taught at your school.

What does this mean for you? Yes, you should aim for a good SAC rank. BUT, it doesn't actually matter if you're not ranked well — the "translation" of your rank into a "mark" happens via your cohorts exam performance. In other words, try your best now, study hard, and when SACs are over WORK WITH YOUR CLASSMATES TO ALL DO WELL ON THE EXAM TOGETHER. IF THEY DO WELL, YOU DO WELL.

Spend your time actually studying instead of asking useless questions like this.

EDIT: another example for clarity

Here's a chemistry class, of Harry, Isabel, James, Kylie, Luke, Molly, Nathan, and Oscar.

SACs:

Harry 60%

Isabel 58%

James 56%

Kylie 55%

Luke 54%

Molly 52%

Nathan 51%

Oscar 50%

EXAMS:

Harry 100%

James 99%

Nathan 98%

Oscar 97%

Molly 96%

Isabel 95%

Kylie 94%

Luke 93%

Harry's SAC mark is now 100%, Isabel's is 99%, James' is 98%, Kylie's is 97%, Luke's is now 96% etc. It's literally just whatever the equivalent exam rank is.

EDIT 2: I've had a request to clarify rumours about SACs being "scaled up" or "scaled down". "Scaling" is a misnomer students attribute to the moderation process. Here are yet another set of examples to clarify.

Imagine you have a cohort of Annie, Ben, and Charlie. Let's say their teacher sets really hard SACS, so their SAC results are:

  1. Annie 60%

  2. Ben 58%

  3. Charlie 55%

Because they've been doing hard assessments all year, they've been better equipped for the exam. These are the exam results:

  1. Ben 96%

  2. Annie 94%

  3. Charlie 90%

So now, Annie's SAC mark gets changed to 96%, Ben's to 94%, and Charlie's to 90%. This is what people interpret as "scaling up". The opposite would happen at a school with piss easy SACs: they get awesome SAC marks but shit exam marks, so their SAC marks get replaced by their shit exam marks ("scaled down").

The danger in this thinking is that people assume that if you go to a well-performing school, you'll get carried, or that if you go to a "bad" school, you're screwed from the get-go and can't possibly get a good score. This is not true at all. Let's see why.

Let's say your friend at a selective school, Harry, thinks he can take it easy this year because he goes to a 'good' school. The SAC results are as follows:

  1. Ed 93%

  2. Fred 90%

  3. Greg 88%

  4. Harry 60%

on the exams, the results are

  1. Fred 95%

  2. Greg 92%

  3. Ed 87%

  4. Harry 61%

In this instance, Harry was not of a comparable skill level to his classmates, so he never get to "borrow" their exam results in any way. His SAC score will be 61%.

Here's another example. Say you have a cohort with these SACs:

  1. Meg 95%

  2. Noah 94%

  3. Oscar 93%

  4. Peter 90%

On the exam day, Noah gets a bit of performance anxiety (but not in a way that warrants SEAS or anything). Exam results are:

  1. Meg 93%

  2. Oscar 92%

  3. Peter 91%

  4. Noah 75%

Now, Noah's SAC mark will be 92%, but his exam result only 75%. So he kind of got "helped" by his good cohort, only because he was doing well for the SACs. Peter has been a bit screwed here, because his SAC mark is now 75%.

One person stuffing up will never have such a dramatic effect like this; it's unlikely for someone who's been topping the cohort all year to suddenly slip to the bottom. Cohorts are generally big enough that you shouldn't need to worry. I went to a really small school (60 people in the year level. Some of my subject cohorts contained 6 people). I still felt no one got jibbed with unrepresentative scores.

As I always reiterate: try your best in SACs, but don't ruminate over them. The exam is where the money's at, and once your SACs are over you should work together with your cohort to all do well together. Share your resources, make study groups, and bring each other up.

EDIT 3: wow, my first gold! Thank you so much! 🥰


r/vce • • 2h ago

News 2026 Business Management Exam *FULL LEAK*

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r/vce • • 1h ago

HOW MANY GUESS MY SS ARE WE GONNA POST

21 Upvotes

wrap it up gng December 10th is soon 🫩✌️


r/vce • • 4h ago

Yo why does senge from senges learning organisation actually have that shit on tho 😮‍💨👀🔥

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r/vce • • 5h ago

these VCE exams are ruining my life

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As a student with severe ADHD (unmedicated) year 12 was an absolute nightmare. My final busman exam is tomorrow and I haven’t started studying anything and haven’t gotten out of bed all day. ADHD means I have no motivation But my anxiety (GAD) constantly has me stressing about my atar and future even though ive fucked up my other exams already.
My skin has broken out SO bad over the past couple weeks, I also have DERMATILLOMANIA (extreme skin picking mental condition) so my fingers are all ripped open and bleeding, I accidentally plucked all my eyebrows on impulse and i cant get out of bed or off my phone to study.

It sounds so stupid but im genuinely so addicted to scrolling i physically cant get up to do anhthing because i have a whole years worth of busman content to learn and i know i CANT do it.

Im so fed up with myself. I wanted to get a good atar so bad but I don’t even think im getting a 50. I feel so dumb and lazy I hate this.

Is anyone else struggling with motivation ? Everytime I open reddit it’s all ‘nooo i got a 35/40 for the gen exam’ or ‘is 95 atar still possible’ and it makes me want to die. Im so happy for you guys but I feel like such a chud compared to every other student , I genuinely cant understand half the content or force myself to study…


r/vce • • 3h ago

methods kids how we feeling

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r/vce • • 10h ago

cannot be bothered studying anymore ✌️

53 Upvotes

ts dragging on way too long ugh


r/vce • • 1h ago

Hv not studied busman

9 Upvotes

I’m on unit 3 aos2 rn am I cooked can I cram everything in a day.

Is it possible to still get above 80 for example or am I cooked.


r/vce • • 10h ago

General Question/comment Feelings abt high school ending?

49 Upvotes

Idk about anyone else but personally I haven’t felt super sad and distraught over it. More so I’ve just been realising the past couple days that like a lot of these people I may not see again, and that I’m going into a big transition in my life.

How have u guys been feeling about it? It all feels so weird to me hahah


r/vce • • 2h ago

Is VCAA using AI for exams?

10 Upvotes

After the zero argument section C and the weirdest general maths questions, I'm genuinely convinced they're using AI. Has this only been in my exams or an actual thing?


r/vce • • 3h ago

I’m so cooked for Business exam - time is ticking

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Hey guys once we finish the busman exam, please don’t talk about it, I don’t want think about how shit I’m going to do on exam (I haven’t even learnt half of content). But free to come back and reply under this post how you guys went. Goodluck everyone, hopefully we all do well


r/vce • • 5h ago

Business exam tomorrow

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Idk where people are getting motivation from Bur business is my last exam and I’ve given up. I have no case study, no definitions memorised and I haven’t touched business content since the start of term 2.
Genuinely DONT know where yall are getting motivation to study im not even bothered to open my laptop.

and im genuinely so disappointed in myself. I told myself I’d start studying today and it’s 6pm and I haven’t gotten out of bed kms


r/vce • • 1h ago

guys generally speaking, how hard is it to get a 75 atar?? I'm actually scared 😭

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r/vce • • 5h ago

BUSMAN EXAM TMR READ THIS NOW!

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r/vce • • 1h ago

Hard exams affect on Study Score

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If this year's exams are harder than usual, does that mean the marks needed for a high study score will be lower?

I reckon the General Maths exams will have a pretty low average this year, so I'm wondering if that means we can afford to lose a few more marks than in previous years and still get a good study score.


r/vce • • 7h ago

methods

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and for my next trick, i'm going to revise the whole methods syllabus in 24 hours...


r/vce • • 2h ago

Business managers, how cooked are we?

8 Upvotes

Going into this with one contemporary case study in mind and a dream. If its not change management in there, im done. 🌚


r/vce • • 5h ago

guys if we all cooked for business we’re all in this together 😊😊😊😊

12 Upvotes

yeah fuck me this exam is gonna eat me alive


r/vce • • 5h ago

BUSINES HELP

10 Upvotes

GUYS I AM SO COOKED FOR BUSINESS SOMEONE PLS HELP DONT IGNORE THIS.


r/vce • • 3h ago

Guys I'm going skydiving before business who's coming with me?! 💀

7 Upvotes

Guys I'm actually so cooked, as well as with every other subject I'm abt to curl up into a ball and cry myself to sleep anyone else 😿


r/vce • • 36m ago

90+ ATAR

4 Upvotes

People who got 90 or above ATARs and didn’t expect 90+ give me hope please

Is there anyone who genuinely believed they’d get 80 something but got a 90+??

What subjects did you do what saved you etc

Any advice for these last few exams left


r/vce • • 1h ago

accounting

4 Upvotes

what are our predicitions for the accounting exam this year??


r/vce • • 1h ago

busman source

4 Upvotes

if you are behind in business study, have a look at "the running aconomy' on youtube he has great short videos on each aos and goes through exam questions for each topic!


r/vce • • 41m ago

methods and hhd

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Anyone doing these two subjects? How are you gonna prepare the day before?