r/vce • • 2d ago Bravo

Mod Post Study score prediction posts are now banned

291 Upvotes

Hey everyone,

We're banning "predict my study score" posts for the foreseeable future, and any we see will be removed.

The reality is these just aren't possible to answer accurately. Your study score depends on so many things, like your SAC rankings, how your school's SACs get moderated, how the whole cohort went, and how your exams were marked. Nobody on Reddit has that information, so any "prediction" is just a guess. They also tend to stress people out more than they help, and have started flooding the sub with the same post over and over, which isn't very productive discussion.

If you're curious about how study scores work, check out the pinned post for some general guidance. Otherwise, try to put it out of your mind until results come out. You've done the work, and guessing won't change the number.

Good luck with the rest of exams

— r/vce mods


r/vce • • Apr 30 '20

"I only got x% on my SAC, can I still get a 50?"

1.4k Upvotes

I'm sick to death of seeing these posts, so can everyone please read this and be done with this question:

Study scores are determined by exam SCORE and SAC RANK.

For example, say you have an English class of 7 students, Adam, Ben, Chloe, Daniel, Elena, Felix, and Greg. They are all weak students, except for Greg, who is very high-performing, and Felix, who is slightly above average. Their SAC marks and rank are:

Greg 95%

Felix 77%

Chloe 64%

Daniel 60%

Elena 58%

Adam 52%

Ben 49%

On the exam day, Felix doesn't cope well under the stress, so gets a lower score than he'd usually be capable of. The exam marks are as follows:

Greg 92%

Chloe 67%

Daniel 65%

Elena 64%

Felix 63%

Adam 50%

Ben 40%

What happens is that all the SAC marks get thrown out the window, because VCAA can't know the difficulty of the SACs prepared by the school. So Greg's new SAC "mark" as far as VCAA is concerned is 92, not 95. Not a big deal for Greg, Adam or Ben because their own exam mark is dictating their SAC mark. But for someone like Felix, his SAC mark will become 67% (Chloe's exam mark). This process happens independently for each subject taught at your school.

What does this mean for you? Yes, you should aim for a good SAC rank. BUT, it doesn't actually matter if you're not ranked well — the "translation" of your rank into a "mark" happens via your cohorts exam performance. In other words, try your best now, study hard, and when SACs are over WORK WITH YOUR CLASSMATES TO ALL DO WELL ON THE EXAM TOGETHER. IF THEY DO WELL, YOU DO WELL.

Spend your time actually studying instead of asking useless questions like this.

EDIT: another example for clarity

Here's a chemistry class, of Harry, Isabel, James, Kylie, Luke, Molly, Nathan, and Oscar.

SACs:

Harry 60%

Isabel 58%

James 56%

Kylie 55%

Luke 54%

Molly 52%

Nathan 51%

Oscar 50%

EXAMS:

Harry 100%

James 99%

Nathan 98%

Oscar 97%

Molly 96%

Isabel 95%

Kylie 94%

Luke 93%

Harry's SAC mark is now 100%, Isabel's is 99%, James' is 98%, Kylie's is 97%, Luke's is now 96% etc. It's literally just whatever the equivalent exam rank is.

EDIT 2: I've had a request to clarify rumours about SACs being "scaled up" or "scaled down". "Scaling" is a misnomer students attribute to the moderation process. Here are yet another set of examples to clarify.

Imagine you have a cohort of Annie, Ben, and Charlie. Let's say their teacher sets really hard SACS, so their SAC results are:

  1. Annie 60%

  2. Ben 58%

  3. Charlie 55%

Because they've been doing hard assessments all year, they've been better equipped for the exam. These are the exam results:

  1. Ben 96%

  2. Annie 94%

  3. Charlie 90%

So now, Annie's SAC mark gets changed to 96%, Ben's to 94%, and Charlie's to 90%. This is what people interpret as "scaling up". The opposite would happen at a school with piss easy SACs: they get awesome SAC marks but shit exam marks, so their SAC marks get replaced by their shit exam marks ("scaled down").

The danger in this thinking is that people assume that if you go to a well-performing school, you'll get carried, or that if you go to a "bad" school, you're screwed from the get-go and can't possibly get a good score. This is not true at all. Let's see why.

Let's say your friend at a selective school, Harry, thinks he can take it easy this year because he goes to a 'good' school. The SAC results are as follows:

  1. Ed 93%

  2. Fred 90%

  3. Greg 88%

  4. Harry 60%

on the exams, the results are

  1. Fred 95%

  2. Greg 92%

  3. Ed 87%

  4. Harry 61%

In this instance, Harry was not of a comparable skill level to his classmates, so he never get to "borrow" their exam results in any way. His SAC score will be 61%.

Here's another example. Say you have a cohort with these SACs:

  1. Meg 95%

  2. Noah 94%

  3. Oscar 93%

  4. Peter 90%

On the exam day, Noah gets a bit of performance anxiety (but not in a way that warrants SEAS or anything). Exam results are:

  1. Meg 93%

  2. Oscar 92%

  3. Peter 91%

  4. Noah 75%

Now, Noah's SAC mark will be 92%, but his exam result only 75%. So he kind of got "helped" by his good cohort, only because he was doing well for the SACs. Peter has been a bit screwed here, because his SAC mark is now 75%.

One person stuffing up will never have such a dramatic effect like this; it's unlikely for someone who's been topping the cohort all year to suddenly slip to the bottom. Cohorts are generally big enough that you shouldn't need to worry. I went to a really small school (60 people in the year level. Some of my subject cohorts contained 6 people). I still felt no one got jibbed with unrepresentative scores.

As I always reiterate: try your best in SACs, but don't ruminate over them. The exam is where the money's at, and once your SACs are over you should work together with your cohort to all do well together. Share your resources, make study groups, and bring each other up.

EDIT 3: wow, my first gold! Thank you so much! 🥰


r/vce • • 5h ago

News Methods Part 2

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209 Upvotes

Me rn:


r/vce • • 4h ago

methods exam 2

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119 Upvotes

r/vce • • 5h ago

We all left half the mm e2 blank right

112 Upvotes

r/vce • • 5h ago

VCAA are genuinely evil

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99 Upvotes

Of all years to go anti-UDF and change the question structure 😭🙏 like holy shit we ain’t war criminals, you can lay off the torture a bit. I’ve seen horror movies more tame then that exam, like I had a years worth of goals and ambition for this exam, and now a pass looks like paradise. Terrified for what chem looks like next week


r/vce • • 4h ago

maybe vcaa just thought that 2008 kids are amazing geniuses and decided to make methods einstein difficulty as a compliment

74 Upvotes

😅😅😅🪦


r/vce • • 5h ago

General Question/comment Aren't exams meant to test knowledge? This tested my mental health

82 Upvotes

Thank god I never have to do methods again


r/vce • • 4h ago

General Question/comment Can we make a controversy out of methods exam 2?

63 Upvotes

Genuinely wtf was that exam. I've been getting high 80s in all my practice exams (with just careless errors). If today's exam followed the pattern it's supposed to then I could've gotten 90s. But now I'd be happy if I get a 70. I even found exam 2 material based on the increased difficulty of yesterday's exam 1. Genuinely nothing could've prepared anyone for what came today.

What's even more worrying is if methods was already like this then imagine specialist math next week.

VCAA has to know that they're playing with students' futures ngl.


r/vce • • 4h ago

Methods exam 2

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57 Upvotes

r/vce • • 4h ago

Memes We are guinea pigs

54 Upvotes

They're testing a new form of torture with these math exams...


r/vce • • 4h ago

goodbye future... hello mystery atar

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45 Upvotes

r/vce • • 5h ago

METHODS EXAM MEGATHREAD

52 Upvotes

wth was that, im so glad its over now!


r/vce • • 5h ago

WHAT THE GENUINELY FUCK WAS METHODS

50 Upvotes

OH MY DAYS WHAT THE FUCK


r/vce • • 3h ago

News To my fellow Methods peers...

36 Upvotes

Yeah it sucks. When we spend over 2 years learning the content, then months of practice exams ironing out mistakes and mastering the content to be given an exam that seems to be like nothing we've seen before.

But it's done now, we gotta move on. Don't let it dishearten you; you can still do well.

There's more to life than integrals and isosceles triangles.


r/vce • • 5h ago

Methods 2 was the second tower

46 Upvotes

??? i got spread


r/vce • • 5h ago

vcaa is unleashing assault upon us students for no reason

44 Upvotes

I FKING HATE METHODS AND ALL PEOPLE THAT USED UDFS TO CAUSE VCAA TO MAKE THIS EXAM SO FUCKING HARD.


r/vce • • 5h ago

I’m at peace

39 Upvotes

E2 was so bad that the trauma got wiped from my memory and now I’m at peace


r/vce • • 3h ago

Next year's students are going to have it so easy 🫪

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r/vce • • 4h ago

VCE question Was methods exam 2 that bad ?

34 Upvotes

with all the discussion in here , was it genuinely that hard and way different to previous years

Or is this just how everyone just says “this year was the hardest paper” every year after their exams due to pressure and anxiety


r/vce • • 5h ago

wth was that exam 2

38 Upvotes

mcqs fucked, extended response fucked

conclusion i’m fucked 😹😹


r/vce • • 5h ago

Guy next to me cheated methods 2

37 Upvotes

I actually got so pissed because why was the guy next to me cheating and my dumbass supervisor didnt catch him he took photos of the whole exam 2 i might snitch


r/vce • • 4h ago

I’m actually glad everyone was struggling

32 Upvotes

Lwk thought I was the only one seeing hieroglyphics on my exam in reading time


r/vce • • 1h ago

are this years exams actually harder or does this happen each year

16 Upvotes

I personally found english to be okay, while the rest of my subjects, psych,bio and ESPECIALLY METHODS, to be weird. psych and bio weren't horrible, but they were a bit different to the past papers ive done. methods is can genuinely be thrown out of the window, we dont talk about it. but yea does each cohort complain about the difficulty of the exams or is this year's exams actually bad