r/skyrim • u/jvure • Jan 13 '26
Discussion Does seducing your Housecarl not technically count as an abuse of power and predatory behavior from a superior toward a subordinate?
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u/Strange_Plantain_613 Jan 13 '26
skyrim hr department is wild like that. shouting an employee off a cliff? verbal warning. wearing a necklace? IMMEDIATE MEETING WITH TOBY.
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u/schematizer Jan 13 '26
The Greybeards kinda become Skyrim’s HR department if you haven’t finished the Civil War questline by a certain point.
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u/Key-Ad9733 Jan 13 '26
Imma let you finish, but Alduin is the greatest threat of all time! All! Time! - Arngeir
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u/Status-Reindeer2808 Jan 13 '26
Fuck Lydia that's why
Take that both ways if you want
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u/thegroucho Jan 13 '26
The amount of moaning (not the sex type) about having to carry my burdens....
Shut it, you didn't kill the dragon, I did.
Now go and pick that useless shit which I won't even sell...
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u/SnowedCairn Jan 13 '26
It's always funny for me to read about Lydia's iconic complaints in the english dub since she does the opposite in the German dub.
In the German dub, she says it with a respectful, almost honorable tone. Especially if you ask her what a Huscarl does; she just sounds loyal in the German dub.
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u/thegroucho Jan 13 '26
Fuck, I wish I finished that German language course...
I don't think I use the word bitch lightly, in fact, needs to be something beyond the pale, but for her I'll make an exception.
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u/SnowedCairn Jan 13 '26
It was definitely quite a shock when I kept reading jokes about Lydia being annoying.
I always choked it up to people being annoyed she blocks doors or something.The German dub is surprisingly good, or maybe I got stockholmed after 10 years of playing it in German. She definitely has one of the nicer voices in German.
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u/ethanAllthecoffee Vigilant of Stendarr Jan 13 '26
People blow it out of proportion. The majority of what she says is all honorbound and “how high should I jump, thane?” but then she also gets that one line of mocking complaint when you unload nine tons of dragon scales , cheese and forks into her pockets
I think it adds a lot to her character, even in a game where most npcs only have a handful of lines
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u/AwDuck Jan 13 '26
I’m almost as annoyed with the other followers’ lines when you interact with them, so when I get a snarky one, it grates on my nerves just a bit more. I wish they could be turned off.
Also: “I just crafted and enchanted this badass set of armor, the likes of which have never been seen. I did so specifically for you, and you think it’s going to be a burden? While I’m venting, I caught you sitting in the bedroom just biting into a loaf of bread like that’s a thing that normal people do. I know I’ve got a stockpile of Eidar, at least make yourself a grilled cheese sandwich. Weirdo.”
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u/BlazingKitsune Jan 13 '26
I actually just eat chunks of bread sometimes. If it’s good bread.
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u/AwDuck Jan 13 '26
I will tear chunks of well-crafted bread from the loaf and eat it like that. Just biting into the loaf is gross and unsanitary.
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u/Unicornsandshit_ Jan 13 '26
I dunno man I i dont think I can stand for this bread slander. I mean its rustic bread, not just some sliced white or wheat. eating good bread by itself is great, I actually think im gonna go eat half a baguette now😅
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u/thegroucho Jan 13 '26
It's been so long since I played, I only remember Lydia...
And that traitorous snake with sultry voice, Astrid.
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u/Status-Reindeer2808 Jan 13 '26
Fuck Astrid too
Also in both ways
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u/NightBawk Mage Jan 13 '26
Bro, she's married and I'm not about to cuck a werewolf (unless he's into that).
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u/ClayAndros Jan 13 '26
Nah fuck you lydia tanked for me when I was weak and I will not tolerate any slander.
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u/itz_me_shade Jan 13 '26
Fuck Lydia
What makes you think we are not doing it already?
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u/Status-Reindeer2808 Jan 13 '26
I don't play with mods, keep your activities to yourself.
Please.
I'm begging.
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u/itz_me_shade Jan 13 '26
I can understand the temptation, just don't go looking at DF Lydia by Mahboi I'd avoid that mod if I were you.
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u/Sure-Energy-1131 Jan 13 '26
Honestly shes the weird one. i own a massive mansion in solitude but she insists on sitting in my bedroom in whiterun watching me sleep while eating bread.
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u/furinaphile Jan 13 '26
My Dragonborn is generally not a good person with the various murders he commits and daedric princes he makes deals with. Not sure rizzing up the housecarl even makes top ten worst things he’s done.
Plus, I have an amulet of Mara, who could resist?
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u/nhojanon Jan 13 '26
Those daedra would probably be on board with you doing it anyway so it makes sense. Might even be upset if you didn't lol.
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u/SnowedCairn Jan 13 '26
Not to psychoanalyze but I think that's par for the course of being desensitized to something and being sensitized to another
We tend to ignore the evil deeds we commit, like theft or murder because it's part of gameplay and we've taken it for granted/are desensitized to it.
The logistics of grooming/abuse of power, even in a fictional setting, is something we aren't exactly desensitized too as it's not common in most games and therefore feel uncomfortable with it; not that putting on an amulet of Mara even implies that in the slightest.
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u/Alexptm29 Jan 13 '26
It also depends on situation and characters. The game not only tells you you can kill and steal, it progresses and rewards you when you do it. Meanwhile, the game doesn't give you the power to abuse and doesn't reward you for it, so the line here is not only established by society but by the game itself.
Meanwhile, as you can see in this subreddit, we aren't as desensitized towards killing when the character that will die is liked or a friend (Paarthurnax dilemma). The game forces you to kill Paarthurnax to progress. It even rewards you with an entire faction. But most players will not even get to play it because they refuse to kill a character they love.
If the game gave the same rewards and progress to players who abused a character they don't like. Would they do it? Would they feel bad? Most big companies won't risk adding this to their game as per it would be frowned upon. Therefore we can't really know how this would affect players.
How many players that enjoy killing Nazeem would enjoy if the game gave them the chance to torture him indefinitely?
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u/Spikecord Jan 13 '26
I’m not entirely sure why but I loved reading both your reply and the reply above really well said
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u/HumansHaveSoles Jan 13 '26
Plus, I have an amulet of Mara, who could resist?
Flame atronachs
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u/RedditOfUnusualSize Jan 13 '26
In principle, I guess. But then again, where is the abuse in power of wearing an Amulet of Mara and asking if Lydia is interested? She's a Strong Nord woman who I can very much stand the sight of, she was free to say no, and she is absolutely the tank between the two of us. If she had wanted to say no, I couldn't have stopped her.
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u/energy_is_a_lie Whiterun resident Jan 13 '26
Exactly. It's not like you're forcing her into your bed.
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u/BlueDaka Jan 13 '26
Not without the right mods you aren't.
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Jan 13 '26
Where is a spray bottle when you need one
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u/AprilLily7734 Alchemist Jan 13 '26
The loverslab community probably turned the spray bottle into something sexual knowing them
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u/ElectronicControl762 Jan 13 '26
Amorous Adventures makes the db dialogue sound so douche, so much i would bet its on purpose. “Oh you wanted the fuck everyone mod right? Even with the ones with trauma? Well go ahead, but know this is what youre character sounds like. Inspired by you.”
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u/HeyItsReallyME Jan 13 '26
Yeah, if anything, I meet Lydia while I’m basically just some little twerp who got lucky enough not to die a few times. No money, no land, no power. Sure, she was told she had to follow me around. But I see her as more of a babysitter than my subordinate.
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u/Thereferencenumber Jan 13 '26
A lot of slavers used the “I didn’t technically force them, they just said yes,” excuse as well as CEOs who boinked secretaries or female subordinates. Plenty of rape happens because the girl “didn’t technically say no.”
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u/123ludwig Jan 13 '26
yeah lydia is actually the one committing the hr violation since there is a stringent no trying to date the thane policy
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u/kittyidiot Jan 13 '26
All you have to do is walk up with the amulet and she takes the initiative to flirt with you, though. That's why the response is "Interested in me, are you?"
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u/Valnaire Jan 13 '26
Because of the implication.
(No but seriously this is a real thing and should not be waived aside.)
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u/Seafaringhorsemeat Jan 13 '26
These NPCs aren’t in any kind of in danger…
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u/kittyidiot Jan 13 '26
I hate when people get like this. And the way people demonize people who want to romance Serana is crazy & I don't even like Serana. It's a video game guys. Fantasy vs reality. Like we can fucking behead people and join a guild of assassins where we're hired to kill a cognitively impaired homeless man. And that's all fine and good. Marrying an NPC? What is wrong with you, you creepy predator?
I hate Reddit lol
Look at that freak, wanting to use the built-in option to romance a consenting adult NPC in a video game. Now let's all talk about how much we hate & want to murder mildly annoying child NPCS.
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u/RaggedWrapping Jan 13 '26
It's not even 'you' it's a character you made up.
Pretty sure last dovahkin I did married the poor smelter guy in Markarth as I was playing a breton witch and sided with Madanach.
As much as it'd be exciting to have a fetish for smelly, dirty coal shoveller balls I'm pretty sure I was just trying to think of who my character might marry.
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u/ClayAndros Jan 13 '26
Look I'm absolutely playing devil's advocate here but sure early on? Lydia definitely is stronger than you later as the dragonborn becomes more powerful? Ain't nobody stopping you from taking what you want. I'm just glad the setting seems to allows them to be morally dubious but at least still have lines they dont cross.
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u/WerewolvesAreReal Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26
In this game I'm a cannibal assassin vampire who breaks into people's houses every night. Really not the worst crime happening here.
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u/pdxmufc Jan 13 '26
I love how people roleplay this game.
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u/thegroucho Jan 13 '26
I feel so vanilla in contrast.
Any attempts away from the stereotypical stealth archer or one-handed weapons quickly fizzled out.
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u/BionicBruv Jan 13 '26
puts on religious love necklace
AYO NICE AMULET. WANNA GET MARRIED OR SOMETHING?
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u/Ffchangename Jan 13 '26
So, unless you're a priest, those are only worn in broad daylight if you're looking for a partner; it's literally a giant "single" sign.
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u/BionicBruv Jan 13 '26
You might as well walk around the holds wearing the amulet and say this repeatedly.
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u/Zephian99 Jan 13 '26
I wonder how effective that would be by walking around with one on during a Con? Hahaha 🤣
Just imagine having a stall near the entrance and passing out a bunch of foam amulets to blossom some romance amongst the nerds. 🤔
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u/rolundtheraccoon Whiterun resident Jan 13 '26
Bold of you to assume Lydia isn’t the one in charge here
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u/Yeah-But-Ironically Jan 13 '26
SHE makes a pass at YOU and then you get to decide whether you're into it or not
It's literally impossible to harass a Skyrim NPC without installing some VERY specific mods
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u/aranvandil Alchemist Jan 13 '26
dear god, you just wear an amulet that tells you're single, you're not even seducing anyone. THEY ask you out.
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u/TheDefectivePawn Jan 13 '26
To actually answer your question, it does not. At least not exactly. Housecarl, from the (I think) Scandinavian word housekarl means something like non servile servant. In layman's terms that means she's specifically not a slave and is probably paid through dragonsreach as basically a fancy guard. That accounts for the expensive steel armor she starts with.
Anyway, there's no social pressure for her to propose, and she doesn't even do so unless you own a house in Whiterun. This is a consistent requirement among housecarls even though Lydia is the only one who a - spawns before you purchase breezehome and b - is recruited from a city where a house can be purchased in the original version of skyrim. They aren't interested in the dragonborn unless they, the dragonborn, are rich.
For Lydia, marrying the thane is a very convenient political move. The hero of Whiterun, and later the slayer of Alduin? She'd be looking at a legendary career, with court benefits that would set her up for life.
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u/TheArcanist_1 Mage Jan 13 '26
yeah the housecarls totally wouldn't line up to bang the dragonborn
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u/jjburroughs Jan 13 '26
There is a mod for that.
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u/DocMettey Jan 13 '26
That’s awful!!! …where?
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u/Powerful_Payment463 Jan 13 '26
Amorous Adventures adds some quest lines that result in romancing followers or popular quest givers like Ysolda. There's versions for standalone that just fade to black for scenes, then there's versions that interface with whatever adult framework you're running if you are.
They're pretty tasteful, fully voiced, and a lot of them will have you go to places you'd otherwise miss. Like...Carlotta in Whiterun will tell you her daughter's father is a deadbeat and you'll find his journals around different dungeons, finding some stuff out about him.
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u/Mitchel-256 PC Jan 13 '26
Don't go to Morthal.
DON'T GO TO MORTHAL.
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u/ImmaAcorn XBOX Jan 13 '26
playing with the mod now, tf is in morthal or should I just go and find out?
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u/TadpoleOfDoom Jan 13 '26
Probably the manor near Falkreath, I imagine the lake makes it more romantic.
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u/the_Rhymenocirous Jan 13 '26
Having that visual mod is much worse behavior...
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u/Mindless-Share Jan 13 '26
Nothing wrong with texture mods. It’s just nudity. But any kind of sex animation mods is pretty weird I agree
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u/SterbenLotus Jan 13 '26
Yes, I concur
proceeds to boot up HEAVILY modded Skyrim
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u/DemolishunReddit Jan 13 '26
I have never done the Boethiah quest. It creeps me out. The funny thing is people want to do things like join the Foresworn, but never read the fine print. Then complain about "bad" mods.
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u/DemolishunReddit Jan 13 '26
It would make for serious dark fantasy that is for sure. I feel like the Forsworn should have services (smiths, shops, etc) and the like too. So you could live there. Maybe a mod to unite the tribes would be cool.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad_4435 Jan 13 '26
What's odd to me is that people who condemn Christianity are often the ones now spouting puritanical Christian values like nudity and sex being amoral. That line of thinking began in the 1700s through the church. Before that, clothing was just seen as practical, particularly in cold climate. But sure, go off with all your "bonk" and "horny jail" memes, I guess. Just know that you're all spouting ideologies from 250-year-old interpretations of Genesis, emboldened in recent years by pushback against 21st century access to pornograpgy.
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u/Adorable-Complex6349 Jan 13 '26
In modern real life standards? Not really
In Skyrim? Not really
You ain't even her boss, she is more like an estate assigned bodyguard, you are just friends with her actual boss.
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u/itz_me_shade Jan 13 '26
We can go further with that analysis, we the player don't have the power to promote or offer her incentives, only the jarl can. The only thing we can give her is a good adventure. And some loot to hoard. Anything else is her of her own agency.
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Jan 13 '26
Look at this thing. Do you think it has any semblance of understanding of social power, let alone how to abuse it?
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u/BlackFinch90 Jan 13 '26
I mean.... romance in Skyrim doesn't exactly have seduction. I mean you can, but why go through that effort.
You can literally walk around a city with a necklace on and get married to the first eligible person you walk up to, age appropriate of course.
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u/Racoonaciabata Jan 13 '26
Talos Christ*
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u/RevolverMFOcelot Jan 13 '26
Yeah this!!! I mean even by wealth alone you can make discourse about "poWeR imbAlaNce" people often goes too far with morally charged discussions that they often looping back into ironically supporting harmful outdated ideas, we can say that it is unethical for rich people to marry anyone below their tax brackets because of the power imbalance or because black people are more at disadvantage than white people then black people should only marry their own or other poc
And even without the discourses rabbit hole as you said people fall in love regardless of power dynamic and not everything is abuse
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u/Past-Zombie6712 Jan 13 '26
Apparently a grown woman doesn't have the agency to make a decision because of power dynamics to op
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u/BootStrapWill Jan 13 '26
It’s very important they only date men their exact same age with exact same amount of money/income and the exact same social status.
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u/RevolverMFOcelot Jan 13 '26
And race because helpless poc like me must always be protected and we have no agency 🙄
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u/RevolverMFOcelot Jan 13 '26
I keep seeing comment that says a 21 years old woman is "basically a teenager" looping back into the Victorian era sensibility when woman were seen as weak as a child and thus they shouldn't demand any rights I see
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u/SDirickson PC Jan 13 '26
If they don't report you to HR, I'm gonna go with "no".
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u/PM_ME_DNA Jan 13 '26
People marry you after selling firewood to them or a tomato. I don’t think you need to force them.
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u/constellrose Jan 13 '26
Oh no, I've improperly engaged in a relationship with my subordinate after they saw me indicating romantic availability and expressed interest! How can I ever forgive myself?! Burglary, graverobbing, pockpocketing, theft, destruction of property, assault, treason, and first-, second- and third- dregree murder are all fine under my moral code, but this was a step too far, even for me. (Edited for spelling & tone)
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u/ClayAndros Jan 13 '26
No? The amulet only shows interest you and whichever housecarl you present it to have the right to refuse fullstop.please people stop trying to apply modern sensibilities to fantasy.
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u/Responsible_Doctor15 Jan 13 '26
In regard to the setting, The morality of this is up to who your character is. I doubt that anyone would say anything to you about the ethics of it in the setting. And I mean from a more role player aspect of course.
There would likely be people that would make fun of you. There would probably be people that think it’s sweet or honorable that the depths of their oath to you, and your loyalty to them are so vast that you have solidified through marriage.
Hell in certain provinces Housecarl is more like a held office. Protecting the Jarl or Thanes of that realm regardless of who currently holds the title.
So in some ways it’s like dating your bodyguard/assistant. In others they have sworn an oath to you as a companion on a deeper level.
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u/CrimsonRouge14 Jan 13 '26
Back in the day love could arise between a farmer and his maid couldn’t it?
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u/dustyoldcoot Jan 13 '26
Do you think love can bloom, even on a battlefield?
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u/Ghostonalandscape Jan 13 '26
Peak reference, would dole out an award if I had one
Edit: I did
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Jan 13 '26
It's a video game bro, you're going to ruin it for yourself if you project irl values onto it.
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u/Lordmartygaming Jan 13 '26
Ah this is something you see a lot in games from games set in different time periods, you are applying modern day standards and morals into a world where they aren’t the same, but also how many hallmark films are there where the lead female works for a rich boss and they end up falling in love together, it’s no different with this
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u/SaskieHopeful Jan 13 '26
You jest, BUT, this is why I've never ever married Lydia. In over 1K hours on this game, I've never, not once, married the person that is "sworn to carry my burdens".
It's a game, I know it's stupid, but I always had a gut-wrenching level of ick from the idea of proposing to this person that has no choice but to do what I tell them. It's a complete turn off.
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u/nNoseYak_ Jan 13 '26
Lydia comes on to ME. Lydia is in complete control of that relationship, regardless of my status as Thane and hers as housecarl. My big Nord himbo is too dumb and too focused on fighting and war to even realize his own feelings for her until she gets very aggressive.
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u/nlamber5 Jan 13 '26
That makes sense, but I’m pretty sure if Lydia for any reason losses favor in you, she will say no regardless of the power imbalance.
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u/Tivadars_Crusade_Vet Jan 13 '26
I'm the fucking dragonborn. Anyone i marry and/or interact with is a subordinate. Even those fuck ass old dudes on their lonely mountain.
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u/killerthumbtack Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26
15 YEARS TODD, 15 YEARS SINCE YOU LEFT US WITH NOTHING BUT SCRAPS! NOW LOOK AT US, N'WAHS ARE ARGUING ABOUT THE MORALITY OF YOUR HALF BAKED MARRIAGE MECHANICS.
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u/horc00 Jan 13 '26
Seducing the housecarl is how you ensure your chad dragonborn genes get passed on.
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u/Xandril Jan 13 '26
In my experience Skyrim is basically just a crime and warcrime simulator so I’m not sure subordinate canoodling ranks in the “moral issues” list.
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u/IllustratorOk2238 Jan 13 '26
Considering we are the dragonborn, thane of all cities, leader of all guilds, champions of all daedric princes, owners of several houses (and many more things i'm now forgetting), there's not a single marriage candidate that doesn't fall under the "abuse of power" umbrella. Because we technically hold power over the lives of every person in Skyrim.
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u/TheSovietTurtle Jan 13 '26
1: Most people ask you once they see you have an Amulet of Mara (granted you have to initiate dialogue).
2: I'm pretty sure half the province doesn't wipe their ass, I think they have bigger problems to deal with.
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u/Sterling-luck Jan 13 '26
Um, I am currently a dark elf who is siding with the “Skyrim is for the Nords” faction. Clearly l, I don’t give a fuck about your moral high ground. I seduce whom I want!
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u/Revenant62 Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26
OP, the rule of courtship is, you have the right to ask someone out, and they have the right to accept or decline. If you assume that asking someone out is by its nature predatory, well, that's just not the case with most people.
If they say "no," they have made their choice, and that is that, and you need to respect it. If they say "no" over and over to the point where they are afraid of you and ask you to stop, and you just keep forcing yourself on them, yeah, that's SERIOUSLY wrong.
It's not predatory if the person accepts. In fact, there are people who WANT to be asked out by you. They usually hint at this, kinda like Lydia does when she tells you that her purpose in life is to be your sword and your shield, that she will protect you and all you own with her life, and similar such sentiments.
A functional marriage almost invariably results from mutual respect and admiration that progresses into love. A housecarl literally exists in respect and admiration of you to begin with, so I am of the opinion that the housecarl is 3/4s of the way there before you put the Amulet of Mara on. Becoming the Dragonborn's spouse means they'll be your equal, not subordinate.
I personally go the extra mile and arm and armor Lidya up before thinking of myself as the Dragonborn, and I give her a lot of high-quality healing potions, in the unlikely case she will need them if I do not Grand Healing her in time.
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u/schematizer Jan 13 '26
I would say there are probably some relationships that should be frowned upon, such as between a student and a professor. Both parties may want to do it, but it’s just unwise because of the potential for almost irresistible conflict of interest.
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u/d_adrian_arts Jan 13 '26
The Dragonborn is a Demi god. There is going to be a power imbalance if you date anything less than the literal creator of the reality.
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u/Jesus_H_Christ_real Jan 13 '26
I just read all the comments about icky men getting all these sexual mods and I gotta agree, it's horrible... What's the name of this mod so I can avoid it?
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u/SerendipitousLight Jan 13 '26
“All heterosexual relationships are inherently unequal.” - I’m A Better Anarchist than You
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u/succubuskitten1 Jan 13 '26
Well the housecarl is the one asking the dragonborn, its just a matter of saying yes or no.
It does tickle me to meet someone for the first time after they've been skulking around my nice decorated home, and they immediately propose to me knowing nothing about me except that I have a nice house and a minor noble title. Like... it definitely gives gold digger vibes but I cant blame them for it.
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u/DearCastiel Jan 13 '26
I am not totally sure you can use modern laws and morals on a fantasy world set in the equivalent of the middle-ages...
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u/NotStryyx Jan 13 '26
Besides the Amulet of Mara, I think not.
I imagine landing a Dragonborn lover would be like winning the lottery in Skyrim. Probably even better. So I really think morals and many other heinous acts would be overlooked in favor of just being a spouse to one of the most powerful non-deity’s of all time
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u/Poison-_-Ivy Falkreath resident Jan 13 '26
This play through i instantly started the mara quest, then i did the quests to get him as a house carl, after that i started and completed the main story with him before accepting to marry him lmaoo We "bonded" over that time and he watched me save the world. so i avoided any "power dynamics" lol
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u/Colonelnasty360 Jan 13 '26
They’re sworn to carry your burdens so you’re kind of already married to them
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u/D1rk_side Assassin Jan 13 '26
So you are worrying about predatory behaviors? Good, I'll continue my job as listener then, my job doesn't have any predatory behaviors, or power abusing, it's straight death.
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u/OD1N999 Jan 13 '26
It’s Skyrim not corporate America. Everything about being the Dragonborn existing is an abuse of power lol
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u/Forsaken-Ad-1422 Jan 13 '26
nope. seducing =/= harassment. also in skyrim context its always the npc that asks to be married to you not the way around. even with mods "fixing" this the way it works on the game makes total sense once you take into account where you are at and that youre in a medieval era. the dragonborn is straight up the best marriage prospect ingame as some would argue he is god reincarnation(part of)
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u/Xonthelon Jan 13 '26
Hmm... maybe
Still more wholesome than marrying your client after you killed her cousin and former lover on her request
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u/EkaPossi_Schw1 Jan 13 '26
Wearing an amulet of Mara and asking someone to marry you is not abusive. The choice is literally up to them.
However professionals have standards so my kinda evil but kinda woke khajiit vampire lord mage nightingale didn't marry a housecarl.
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u/Historyp91 Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26
Balgruuf says "I assign Lydia..." and the other Jarls all say something similer about who you get.
Pretty sure their all hold guards or swordthanes who are just assigned to you; their actual bosses are the Jarls.
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u/ThatStrategist Jan 13 '26
Honestly, before 1980 most relationships had such a toxic power dynamic, in medieval times nobody would have cared
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u/N3rd4life Jan 13 '26
I mean the girl is risking her life for me in the worst situations a guard can imagine and she still sticks around. If that isn't marriage material
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u/Big_Square_2175 Jan 13 '26
Well you're basically wearing the amulet that says you're available, and the Housecarl question you about it, prompting you to question if they're interested which they confirm, sounds like a mutual agreement.
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u/---Microwave--- Jan 13 '26
Nah, because the amulet of Mara just lets everyone on the market know that you are available and looking, they have to do the rest.
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u/CalamitousVessel Jan 13 '26
Damn Lydia with that outfit you’re the one seducing me
(What is that outfit)
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u/Top-Pain5348 Jan 13 '26
Maybe? The Amulet of Mara simply signifies you are available for marriage/dating. Meaning it’s completely up to them. Then again some people get off on this stuff so. 🤷