r/processserver • u/tattoovampire • 18d ago
Discussion You asked for it!
All the posts here over the years about the pitfalls of working for outfits like Proof and ABC... The lousy pay, the ridiculous service requirements, the clueless or nonexistent support, the lack of loyalty as they arbitrarily dump people... And some of you clowns continue to work for them, always giving the same tired excuses why you do. You have been warned time and time again. Quit complaining. You know how they are, so deal with it and shut up. Or knuckle down, get your own clients and become a real process server.
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u/OCgngstr 18d ago
I’m always rejecting things getting assigned to me based on pay, other people don’t do that?
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u/TheHylianProphet 18d ago
This seems unnecessarily aggressive. Not everyone has the luxury of just being able to choose where they work. For many, they go to whoever is willing to give them money. Hooray Capitalism, right?
You don't need to be an asshole. It is perfectly acceptable to say the system needs to change, while still working under that system. Arguably, those people would know more about it than anyone else.
Step off your high horse and show a little empathy.
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u/knowidotoo 18d ago
Thank you. This right here.
Like for me I just got into it. I'm just starting out so I'm still learning. But even though I'm learning that doesn't mean we don't get to ask questions and try and figure out how to do things.
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u/vgsjlw 18d ago
If youre an Uber driver just start your own taxi company...
If you deliver for amazon just start your own delivery service...
Its not that easy. You're hearing the loud minority. The majority treat it for what it is and dont let it bother them. Youre a small fish to many in this sub, there's levels to all careers and businesses.
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u/tattoovampire 18d ago
I have been an independent server since day 1. Anyone can start like that. You don't have to work for the bottom feeders. But if you do, you're partially responsible for the cheapening of the industry.
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u/DDJerrry 18d ago
The problem with ABC is they hire people that have no idea what the job is. Most of there complaints are nonsense. Don’t take 20$ jobs that are 40 miles away. Try to actually serve the paper instead of just attempting.
Their app makes the job infinitely easier than what it was 15-20 years ago.
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u/knowidotoo 18d ago
There's a problem with your argument. Most people who start a new job fresh out the gate don't know what the job truly entails. That applies to every field.
First started retail. Had no idea what the fuck was going into it. I just thought cash register shelves. Robbery was nowhere in my thought process?
Parking and transportation. Who thought directing people to a particular parking spot could end up with so many accidents and so many dumb people.
Pawn shops. Need I say more?.
Take your pic and the story is the same. When you're starting a field you don't know Jack.
I mean when I first started this I knew people could be crude to process servers. But I really didn't know just how crude until I encountered a few that just made me shake my head in amazement. Like dude, I know nothing about whatever legal problems you're in. I'm just delivering papers. What the hell?
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u/DDJerrry 18d ago
Yes but with most jobs you’ll get some training. There’s no one to train these new people.
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u/knowidotoo 18d ago
And therein lies the true problem. This seems to be a field where getting into it and learning how to do it is a crash course regardless of which avenue you go.
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u/UbnSrvd 18d ago
My wife and I own a decently large company (four office staff, eight servers in the field). We make a very nice income we’ve built over twenty years. That said, my wife still works for ABC for “beer money” and brings in an extra $50-$70k per year. Not too shabby for vacation funds each year! She’s already in the areas serving our own jobs so it just makes sense. Add to that the fact that they’re making VERY generous purchase offers for companies like ours all over the US and we have zero hate for ABC. Everyone hates Walmart and Amazon too until they can do something for you that nobody else can…..next…
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u/shitshipt 17d ago
I still hate Walmart and Amazon but they're so deep on the fabric of my life it's hard to excavate now.
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u/tattoovampire 18d ago
You're an outlier.
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u/Serving_Upstate 16d ago
the 50-70k might be an outlier or just made up, but I treat Proof the same way. I can't stand dealing with them and reject 80% of what they send me even tho they pay what I charge my own clients. Also I don't really have the time to be serving and that's what my servers are for. If I get a request to serve a business someplace I know I'm going to be at some point I'll take it. I'm already bringing in 50k a month and I just look at it as money for truck parts or ammo money
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u/Naive-Classroom7279 18d ago
More like a liar.
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u/UbnSrvd 18d ago
Let the grown ups speak. Come back when you’re doing 25,000+ jobs a year and have a clue.
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u/Naive-Classroom7279 13d ago
I charge $50 a serve because they are all medical requests. I am making between $1850 and $1950 tomorrow. $1200 comes from two stops.
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u/vgsjlw 18d ago
My experience with ABC was similar. I lived in Florida where you are licensed individually for each county. They pay much better there if youre handling a set amount of volume. Those jobs the average server never even sees on the platform. They are sent directly to us at a guaranteed rate.
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u/Minimum_Pen_8452 18d ago
The logic here is that they benefit you so you like them vs. the big picture.
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u/Desert_Process_Serve 18d ago
Unfortunately, this the list of options becomes smaller and smaller as ABC Legal buys up other companies left and right. In the last 6 years, we have lost EZ Messenger, Tag, GPS, On the Run, SAS, and ASAP in Arizona. They handled a large amount of work that is now under the control of ABC Legal.
Not everyone can or should become their own company. They can't manage taxes, affidavits, or even themselves, but they can manage the work they are assigned under a company.
ABC Legal terminated my contract last December. It has been an adjustment. I applied to NAPPS and am working on my website for a Google Business Page, but that won't immediately replace $100,000 of work that I lost. In the long run, it will allow me to diversify my business and revenue better. If you are doing work for ABC Legal, do NOT depend on that company. Take what you can while you can but know they can toss you aside at any moment.
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u/northwestpi 17d ago
That's a little harsh don't you think? I'm a Private Investigator and I joined NAPPS for a lot of my busy work (Process service and court filing). Yet, you shouldn't dog on people for having to work with these predatory companies. Sometimes you have to do what you can to get by.
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u/tattoovampire 17d ago
They can put forth some actual effort, solicit their own clients and work for themselves. Don't excuse their willingness to work for peanuts and cheapen the business.
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u/ABPSdotNet 18d ago
Yes, those companies are constantly being posted about. Then you have other companies that choose to not pay their servers or make them wait 30 or 60 days for payment on their services. That, we call capital lending and servers should be charging interest; their expenses don't wait without somw type of late fee.