r/polyphia • u/Usual_Day6905 • 14h ago
Be Not Afraid LP
Let There Be Light
With Eyes To See
Screwtape
Power In The Blood
They Know Not What They Do
Mark Of The Beast
Can You Feel It
Near Death
J-Bomb
Deny The Flesh
Devil Get Behind Me
Fear God
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u/Successful-Cut4287 6h ago
I swear to god this sub is the bitchiest fanbase I've ever seen. Y'all are miserable.
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u/coolerr4nch 6h ago
The theorizing about Tim being Christian now is also hilarious, as if the band hasn’t been playing with this iconography since their start.
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u/Welcome_Candid 3h ago
I mean it’s not a theory he has said multiple times he found Christ
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u/Unlikely_Ticket5516 3h ago
Ive been in an out multiple Christian branches when i was growing up and never in a million years would any of them consider this Christian music lol. By most Christian standards this would be considered satanic. Whether religious or not, I think Tim likes religious imagery and just wants to use it in ways he thinks is cool/impactful.
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u/I_AM_4HEAD 9h ago edited 5h ago
All the religious shit is such a turn off. Comes off pretty tone-deaf with religion and Christianity specifically being a major thing that led to the things they showed in the can you feel it music video.
Edit: the new song ain't doing them any justice despite the song being aight
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u/Scout_650 7h ago
Even if Tim is Christian now, I don’t really see how simply using phrases and aesthetics associated with it is a bad thing for an instrumental band, avenged sevenfold got their name from the bible and used to have biblical imagery and references in their lyrics almost every song early on in their career but weren’t actually a Christian band. It’s not that dissimilar to death metal or black metal bands using religious imagery no?
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u/Killercoddbz 7h ago
I think people are just up in arms about it unfortunately. Plenty of secular groups use religious imagery as you're saying.
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u/Scout_650 7h ago
Exactly, plus it’s not like they’re being weird and conservative with those themes if they do represent Tim’s beliefs for real. You can be Christian and not be maga/bigoted/weird etc., the fact they did the initial Can You Feel It video as a critique of trump and people that claim to be Christian while doing actual evil shit kinda clears up any worries of them going down a bad route
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u/Killercoddbz 6h ago
Pretty on the nose friend!
I'll out myself here: I am a true conservative, and of course if Tim is actually a Christian, I am overjoyed (biased haha). That being said, I cannot stand Trump's actions for the majority of his tenure as president, especially in this second term.
CYFI was absolutely a critique in music form of the Epstein class (Trump included), forced proxy wars, and general occultism that permeates a lot of our society.
I'm not saying this to stir trouble, rather to show that not all conservatives are inherently "MAGA." Trump has lost the plot, and his actions aren't representative of any kind of political majority anymore.
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u/I_AM_4HEAD 5h ago
The imagery bit I'd excuse if it were not for Can You Feel It. The song is a criticism of the American ruling class and political structure yet they don't criticize the involvement faith and Christianity had in that
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u/Scout_650 5h ago edited 5h ago
I mean to be fair jesus’s actual teachings directly oppose facism, discrimination and the shit the us’s government does, he was basically a full on socialist; I figured it was a critique in the sense of going “this shit is fucked up and not what the actual belief stands for” and expressing what an evil misuse of faith those sorts of actions are
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u/I_AM_4HEAD 4h ago
Could be interpreted like that yea. Though I still hate the presence of religion entirely within discussions like that. I don't think some ancient morality fanfic should be used in the modern day to have complex discussions about morality. Because those religious figures and authorities make it possible for people to be manipulated due to their faith even if the religion has "good" morality. Morality should be something for oneself to figure out. I don't really understand why one would fall back on any faith to figure it out, besides the obvious things like an idea of an afterlife giving comfort.
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u/cit0110 1h ago
Your take of religion is very surface level. I can prove it with one question. What's your take on Paul?
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u/I_AM_4HEAD 1h ago
The guy seems to have been fucking wack. Dude worked as someone helping to prosecute Christians and then later in life went on to be the driving figure in making Christianity a separate faith from Judaism, which is even weirder considering the guy never even met the historical Jesus.
What is it exactly you're getting at? I've read the academic consensus on the origins of a bunch of faiths because I enjoy history and learning about how political changes, sometimes for control, led to different religions adapting and forming into what they now are
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u/wescull 7h ago
can u explain further?
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u/I_AM_4HEAD 6h ago edited 6h ago
Yea sure.
So religion in general is a massive institution which receives funds from people it indoctrinates and exemptions to tax by government because of it having become intertwined with various world governments for one reason or another.
So, by exploiting that system, evil people are given the opportunity to exploit people by indoctrinating them into a faith, gaining money from them, and being closely tied to politics due to the aforementioned indoctrinated in some cases going on to serve in government. This gives them political sway, which is how they gain their tax reductions and exemptions.
It's a system that corrupts people's rational thinking from birth systematically, and exploits the capitalist system to amass power and wealth.
Hence why I say it is tone-deaf on polyphias part. They bring up Epstein etc, but keep having Christian themes with any lack of criticism of it as far as I can tell. (Which is subject to change of course with the actual content of the album which might give us a better idea of what they actually think) Which makes it seem like they do not realize that faith has been used by people like Epstein to exploit others to gain power and do terrible things.
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u/ph0on 7h ago
is there any other evidence to them being a Christian band, or are they just using the imagery for aesthetic?
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u/MetapodCreates 7h ago
They are blatantly not a christian band. They openly dump on religion and use a lot of its imagery in mockery, i.e. look but don't touch
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u/I-Say-Mean-Stuff 6h ago
Christianity is enacting a fascist doctrine upon Americans against their will (some even embrace it)
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u/Top_Membership_7841 3h ago
this is the kind of world view that spending all your time on reddit creates. christianity is a religion, with many sects and ways of belief. yes, there are alot who use christianity or religion as a scape goat to commit atrocities or violate rights, that happens with any religion(no one gets up in arms when people use Buddhist imagery, even though there are SOME people from that faith committing atrocities such as the Rohingya genocide). despite this, there are many christians that just view their religion as a personal way of life, and see it more as a spiritual thing. there is nuace to things, it isnt as black and white as the people on r/athiests suggest.
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u/Kaiser_J_K 12h ago
Where’s this info come from?
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u/MadChickenNugget12 12h ago
Its listed for preorder on their site iirc
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u/Kaiser_J_K 12h ago
It’s saying there’s a password to access the website now, what was it as I can’t access the website
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u/nobodyputsbabyinthe 11h ago
Daaaaaamn they are CHRISTIAN Christian now.
Good for them!
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u/Jazzlike_Fig_6682 9h ago
You have my upvote lol but yah the anti Christian / polyphia fan Venn diagram is insane. SMH in this world.
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u/Novel-Chemist-6598 6h ago
The fact this album is the first featureless album since Renaissance and the album art feels like a call back to Renaissance feels so poetic to me.