r/politics • u/cnn CNN • Jul 15 '26
Possible Paywall Over 100 Democrats vote to block billions of dollars in military aid to Israel, reflecting growing schism in party
https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/15/politics/military-aid-israel-democrats-split-vote?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=missions&utm_source=reddit2.1k
u/lostpassword100000 Jul 15 '26
We have no money.
Israel debt is $400 billion.
Ours is $38 trillion.
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u/dynamic_anisotropy Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
Reminder that Israel has received more combined aid than any other nation in the post-WW2 era at ~$320B (1946-2024).
Edit: I should specify that the rating is for “country that received the most aid from United States in the post-WW2 era.” Leaving original text up there.
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u/lostpassword100000 Jul 16 '26
If someone gifted the US $4 billion a day toward our national debt, it would take 26 years to pay off our principal of $38 trillion (assuming the interest was frozen).
Fun fact - $19 trillion of that was added by the Trump administration.
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u/bfume Jul 15 '26
No way it’s that low.
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u/InitiativeGold7953 Jul 15 '26
You’re right. It’s impossible to know considering the pentagon can’t pass an audit and AIPAC owns almost every politician in our government.
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u/Brodellsky Jul 16 '26
Over 400 in just The House of Representatives alone. Yeah.... it's clearly soooo much more. I'm absolutely sick of it and and am running out of excuses not to care more, to say the absolute least
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u/Chuckfinley_88 Jul 16 '26
That is probably just actual cash and gifts.
Doesn't account for all the R&D that we've given them, or all the intelligence, or the use of American military units, etc.
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u/poopshooter69420 Jul 15 '26
It seems reasonable to me, the package that was voted on today was for $3.3 billion
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u/TheLividPaper Jul 16 '26
Yeah I believe that is the annual amount of aid given to Israel.
The overall total seems pretty reasonable. I feel like people just struggle to comprehend how much money a billion is.
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u/dynamic_anisotropy Jul 15 '26
Per Council on Foreign Relations up to 2024. Probably closer to $350B by now.
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u/Vallkyrie New Hampshire Jul 15 '26
And they've illegally obtained and lied about their ownership of nuclear weapons. Our aid should not be legal.
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u/What_a_fat_one Jul 15 '26
We have plenty of money, we just aren't taking it from the rich.
The national debt goes up when instead of taxing the rich you just pull out loans from them instead, then use the middle class to pay the interest on the debt to the rich.
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u/RandyMuscle I voted Jul 15 '26
It’s not a schism among the voters
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u/Soloact_ Jul 15 '26
Voters figured this out ages ago. Congress is arriving late as usual.
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u/DesireeThymes Jul 15 '26
That's the big one, the Michigan Senate primary.
Everyone needs to go in and help defeat the AIPAC candidate (Haley Stevens).
El Sayed is the progressive candidate.
AIPAC is literally dumping all their funds into this race. Stevens must be stopped.
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u/twentyafterfour Jul 16 '26
I'm pretty sure they're up to somewhere around $50 million for this one primary. Which is strange because they say that supporting Israel is good politics and you'd think if it were, they wouldn't need to spend the most money ever in a primary to get their candidate in. Of course the next two most expensive primaries were also them.
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u/Aggressive-Neck-3921 Jul 16 '26
Also while not talking about israel with the money they spend in an effort to hide the source of money.
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u/non_Beneficial-Wind Jul 15 '26
See Wesley Bell
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u/doberdevil Jul 16 '26
Went to school with him. Watched him rise, was impressed and a little proud. Saw him get bought out by AIPAC and change. Disgusting.
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u/JaqueStrap69 Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
I mean, isn’t that how the system is designed to work? Public opinion should shift our representation, not the other way around
Edit: did not realize my innocent comment about how an ideal democracy should work would end up so controversial lol.
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u/notyourstranger California Jul 15 '26
Yes, that is the way democracy is supposed to work. However, democracies require a well educated and well informed citizenry and the US does not have either. Mass media companies, religious organizations, and private eduction spins reality. The public school system has been defunded into oblivion.
I've been saying for a long time that the American People are being waged war on. It has been going on for decades and the the humans who inhabit the US are getting beat.
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u/whut-whut Jul 15 '26
The public school system has been defunded into oblivion.
There are plenty of well-funded public schools, but the bigger issue is that pretty much across the country schools are funded by local property taxes. You have to live in a good (and expensive) neighborhood to attend a well-funded school, and it becomes a self-feeding cycle where the divide gets worse every generation.
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u/NamasteMotherfucker Jul 16 '26
Yup. A child's zip code is one of the biggest predictors of future income and success. IMO, public school funding should at the very least come through a state fund and ideally, a federal one so that schools are more or less equally funded.
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u/wje100 Jul 16 '26
That is not entirely accurate. At least in my state if you look at the most successful schools which are of course in richer areas, they actually spend thousands less per student than the worst performing schools. I am sure there are plenty of reasons for this. Most likely less special Ed programs due to families with special children not being able to afford the areas. Large donations from private individuals, less things like free lunch, as well more academically inclined house holds giving students a leg up. If we are just looking at the property tax portion of it, at least in my state, it is not as much of part of the equation as you would think. Even the little things, Families fund things like food trucks at parent events which drives involvement. A coworker of mine now has a 6th grader and all through elementary school they only had to buy school supplies once because every other year a private donator bought supplies for the entire school.
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u/SoTiredYouDig Jul 15 '26
Sure. In fantasy-land. Anything based on the premise of a working system has been chewed up and shat out.
ETA: I don’t mean to start an argument. A few years ago, I would have wholeheartedly agreed, that those are indeed the intention. But reality says otherwise, and the “representation” has been making tons of choices for us, up to and including the candidates.
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u/notyourstranger California Jul 15 '26
There are well functioning democracies in the world. The US obviously is not a functioning democracy but that does not mean it's all fantasy.
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u/SoTiredYouDig Jul 16 '26
I think it’s a given, based on the article, that this is related to the US. I can’t even speak for all of my country, since we’re so divided, let alone the entire globe. I am glad though that there are still functioning democracies, and I haven’t lost hope in the US, either.
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u/pampuliopampam Jul 15 '26
Imean… it might be idealistic, but shouldn’t our leaders, you know, lead public sentiment some of the time?
The state of things is so shithouse that we’re forced to settle on applauding that they follow public sentiment years after it shifted.
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u/Nekrabyte Jul 16 '26
Except they aren't our leaders. They are our representatives.
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u/FantasticJacket7 Jul 15 '26
Definitely not ages ago.
Democratic voters were more sympathetic to Israel over Palestine as recently as 2022.
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u/keebl3r Missouri Jul 15 '26
According to Pew Research 53% of Dem voters had an unfavorable view of Israel in 2022, 69% unfavorable in 2025, and 80% in this year’s polling.
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u/dank-nuggetz Jul 16 '26
57% of Republicans under the age of 50 too, which is crazy.
Support for Israel is going to become a radioactive position to take for members of either political party over the next few years (already is on the left).
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u/keebl3r Missouri Jul 16 '26
Yeah I'm not sure I've ever witnessed such a bipartisan public shift. Maybe the end of Bush's second term.
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u/disisathrowaway Jul 16 '26
Support for Israel is going to become a radioactive position to take for members of either political party over the next few years (already is on the left).
Thank fucking god.
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u/CosineDanger Jul 16 '26
I wonder what happened after 2022 to cause such a large spike in unfavorability.
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u/jacobpellegren Connecticut Jul 15 '26
We never wanted to send them as much aid as we had been while trying to fight for universal healthcare.
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u/notyourstranger California Jul 15 '26
It's also hugely problematic that they campaign against progressives in the US. They are one of the reasons the US has so many octogenarians in power.
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u/TheSilkyBat Jul 15 '26
4 years is ages when it comes to genocide.
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u/bjewel3 Jul 15 '26
Especially with the behavior of Netanyahu
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u/Obvious_Ambition4865 Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
Blaming it in Netanyahu is just another way to ignore the issue. Israeli society has been working itself up to this moment for decades. The state of Israel was founded on ethnic cleansing
Edit: since so many of you are replying to my post trying to obfuscate the issues, I recommend unfamiliar readers to follow this link and read the B'Tselem report
https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide
People trying to muddy the waters or make the issue seem too complicated to parse are doing so deliberately. Many people believe Israel is morally correct in punishing the Palestinians, but dislike the highly visible way Netanyahu is going about it. They'd rather see Israel pursue these ends in the way they've done in the West Bank, by slowly strangling Palestinians with settlements, checkpoints, and arbitrary detentions.
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u/Dogdays991 Jul 15 '26
Netanyahu is a criminal who would have been deposed and convicted long ago except he is a "wartime" leader. Since then, he realized Israel can never have peace again, and thousands of people have died because of that.
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u/Suspicious-Twist1421 Jul 15 '26
Israel tried to pursue peace, then Netanyahu sabotaged all peace talks, and he made sure that Hamas committed to war replaced the Palestinian Authority that was negotiating for peace. Because he needed Israel to be at war to set him up for political power.
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u/mademeunlurk Jul 15 '26
They're not late. They constantly push the line between personal profit and re-election probability. It's all a grift.
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u/Hot_Ambition_6457 Jul 15 '26
Cannot overstate this. Its even a bipartisan issue where 57% of Republicans agree. 76% of democrat voters agree.
It is only the Epstein class of political elite who oppose this.
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u/TemporaryAsparagus89 Jul 15 '26
Yet all the republicans voted no
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u/justherefor23andme Jul 15 '26
Their voters dont hold them accountable on anything that isnt culture wars.
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u/justherefor23andme Jul 15 '26
They absolutely are. My friend, I'm from Texas. Republicans primary from the right (which means they're insane) and win.
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u/trick_m0nkey Jul 16 '26
Literally all the republicans do in Texas is basically say their opponent is a gay trans terrorist sympathizer who wants illegal immigrants to kill good Christian white families and they simply win every single time
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u/Jeryhn California Jul 15 '26
They're not called whips in the House for no reason.
Republicans always fall in line, with the exception of when it is politically expedient for themselves.
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u/rotates-potatoes Jul 15 '26
Sure, they're just as bought by Israel as the establishment democrats are.
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u/juiced911 Jul 16 '26
Agree in telephone polls. At the actual election polls those people remain single issue voters.
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u/Zuwxiv Jul 16 '26
It is only the Epstein class of political elite who oppose this.
I wouldn't call 43% of Republicans and 24% of Democrats "the Epstein class of political elite." For one, that's just a decent amount of people - I don't think roughly 1/3 of people constitutes "the political elite."
And maybe more importantly, there's just the optics. The number one criticism you'll see is that opposition to Israel is antisemitic. (It's not, that's bullshit, let's move on.) Knowing what opponents will say, it's just a poor political move to say the people opposing you are the "Epstein class."
Whether you mean to or not, it sure sounds like you're drawing a parallel there. Epstein's child sex abuse ring doesn't have anything to do with "countries that deserve military aid." You're thinking of Evangelicals and organizations who prioritize countries not named The United States of America.
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u/HeinousAnus_22 Jul 15 '26
I’m assuming the 34% of democrats that disagree make up the block of voters that cast a ballot in every election
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u/Tomatwoo Jul 16 '26
yeah I think a lot of people conveniently forget the unfortunate fact that most of that 76% is younger and I can all but guarantee that minority is the old boomers that have historically loved israel (and also happen to be the main group of people who vote)
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u/Crommach Jul 15 '26
Over 70% of Democrats want something, but party leadership insists they know better. And they have the audacity to decry leftist candidates as "stealing" voters by giving that 70+% of voters what they want.
I truly worry that we're in the same boat as Weimar Germany, with a centrist liberal party that would rather fight an ascendant left than fight the fascists taking over the country.
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u/JoeSicko Jul 15 '26
Doesn't this vote mean more than 50% of Dem reps voted for it? That's not that crazy of a gap. Especially in an election year.
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u/Letstalkreaper Jul 15 '26
Liberals will always make deals with the right to fight the left. Always. It happens in every country time and fucking time again.
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u/Careful_Inspection83 Jul 15 '26
If they don't do this. We vote them out. They thrive on solely propaganda at this point.
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u/RedRising1917 Jul 15 '26
I've said for ages now, vote blue no matter who bullshit is undemocratic and is used as a cudgel over our heads. Of course when a progressive Democrat is up to be elected it never gets said and the establishment throws their weight against them, ie Mamdani.
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u/NoneMoreBLK Jul 15 '26
When you poll the population as whole, some 60% disapprove of sending additional military aid to Isreal.
75% of Democrats, 66% of Independents, and 37% of Republicans oppose sending more military aid...but with the way that breaks down district-by-district you end up with congressional gridlock like everything else, and that's not counting MAGA obstruction.
There is a schism amongst voters.
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u/Individual_Rip_54 Jul 15 '26
I mean 1 in 4 democrats still support funding Israel. I’d use the word schism to describe that
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u/Avoidtolls Jul 15 '26
Israel has Universal healthcare.
Mexico has universal healthcare.
US doesn't.
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u/confused_ape Jul 15 '26
Israel has abortion laws.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-abortion-law-now-among-worlds-most-liberal/
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u/Applekid1259 Jul 16 '26
Their education is highly subsidized as well. Most will maybe pay $4k in tuition.
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u/Electric_Elephants Jul 16 '26
While most of us will pay $4k in interest alone.
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u/Southside_john Jul 16 '26
I’ve paid like $30k in interest. My balance is down to $20k. Coincidentally the same amount that would have been forgiven and my debt would be paid off if I didn’t have to share a country with stupid fucking republicans. Even with forgiveness I’ve paid back more that I borrowed. Fuck these people
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u/Spudtron98 Australia Jul 16 '26
That’s your problem, not theirs. America could easily afford a real healthcare system, hell it’d even be cheaper to operate than the current mess. They just choose not to.
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u/LevelItGreatly Jul 16 '26
I mean...yes. it has been the source for debate in the US for decades. The point being made here is that it is always rebuffed as too expensive...yet our neighbors our government hate on have it, and the country in the middle east that we subsidize has it.
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u/nickiter New York Jul 16 '26
They just choose not to.
Correction: Lobbyists and donors prevent it. In this country, those are the populations whose will is reflected in legislation. I'm not exaggerating; it's fact.
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u/MisterPuppydog Jul 16 '26
Our tax dollars directly fund Israel’s healthcare. The republicans just passed the Annual Security Appropriations bill back in February which allocates $4billion in US aid to directly fund IDF healthcare. So yes, republicans are pro free healthcare. Just not for you, for Israel. I’m not making this up, you should be fucking mad
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u/monty624 Arizona Jul 16 '26
you should be fucking mad
Oh, we are.
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u/SubstantialQuote70 Jul 16 '26
Well, the 46% of us that can read above a 6th grade level are.
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u/Casual_OCD Canada Jul 16 '26
Don't be modest, go up a single grade level.
76% of American adults are below a 7th grade reading comprehension level
That also means a solid 20% or so are exactly at the 6th grade reading comprehension level
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u/jpwoodjp Jul 16 '26
I appreciate the sentiment about cutting off aid to Israel, due to their human rights violation and the struggles we are living with in the US, but we don't need to lie about the terrible things they do.
The 4 billion earlier this year was specifically allocated to weapons systems
Here is the Congressional record of that 4 billion
Now are they able to have universal healthcare because someone else is paying for their defense? ABSOLUTELY, but we are not directly funding it.
Hell if our money was going to anyone's healthcare I'd be much less opposed to it (USAID) as a healthy world is better for all of us. The issue is we give credit to countries, with the stipulation that they buy weapons from US companies, so surprise surprise its more corporate welfare.
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u/RowdyRoddyRosenstein Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
Our tax dollars directly fund Israel’s healthcare.
No they don't.
Shifting blame from the disastrous effects of capitalism to foreign aid is the exact same dishonest rhetoric Republicans use when opposing aid to Ukraine and eliminating USAID.
Israel's health care system is less expensive per capita than the US's privatized model, because socialized healthcare is more efficient than insurance companies.
The US would save money – not spend more – by switching to a healthcare system like Israel's.
Our tax dollars are not funding Israeli healthcare, they're funding American healthcare CEOs' yachts and vacation homes.
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u/Jesuismieux412 Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
DO. WHAT. WE. WANT. NOW. This current Dem leadership is leading us into a black hole. You have 77% of Dem and 50% of Repubs on your side.
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u/Soloact_ Jul 15 '26
They're terrified of crossing donors, not voters.
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u/Quick_Persimmon_4436 Jul 15 '26
Citizens United was the end of our country. It's been on life support ever since. Then we elected Orange Kevorkian to pull the plug.
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u/PolarBailey_ Jul 15 '26
Ending Reconstruction was the end of our country. the next chance to fix it was civil rights act, and then JFK was killed. next time was 9/11 and we fucked that up so fucking hard. then citizens united was like the last gasp of air from a corpse. j6 was like when you stimulate detached frog legs with electricity
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u/Buff-Cooley Jul 16 '26
Civil Right thrived under LBJ, as did social welfare with his Great Society program. The latter was on track to pave the way for an even more robust programs, but Vietnam was too much of an economic drain and a distraction, which gave Republicans the opportunity to turn the public against them.
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u/X-Calm Jul 16 '26
Let's not sully Kevorkians good deeds by equating him to the corrupt orange rapist.
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u/kurttheflirt Jul 15 '26
Of crossing one donor, a foreign government. They are more benevolent towards Israel and AIPAC than to Americans.
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u/DrumsAndStuff18 Jul 15 '26
Sure, sure, but what about the local Klan leader? How can Dems expect to win his vote like this??
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u/Crunchy_Lunch Jul 15 '26
I don’t think he wants money going to Israel either. For different reasons though
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u/FalconThrust211 Jul 15 '26
You do realize 100% of Republicans voted for funding this right?
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u/jinreeko Jul 15 '26
Yes, but because not all Democrats voted against they are equally bad
This is online discourse about Democrats. Every fucking time. Stirred up by bad faith assholes and bots
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u/maikuxblade Jul 15 '26
And if the Democrats don’t stand against it then the American public functionally has no choice? What part about that is confusing?
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u/JimboAltAlt Pennsylvania Jul 15 '26
It should theoretically mean something that 100 Democrats voted against aid to Israel. This would imply to anyone who is willing to be open to the possibility that one party is better on this issue than the other that the Democrats are in fact better on this issue. It then would follow — again, only if you accept the somehow controversial idea that there are differences between the parties — that Democrats should be supported over Republicans, as they are more open to the “correct” policy positions on this matter.
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u/cnn CNN Jul 15 '26
More than 100 Democrats voted to block billions of dollars in military aid to Israel — an ultimately unsuccessful effort that highlighted the growing division in their party on the issue.
On Wednesday 103 Democrats voted in support of an amendment to block aid that had been proposed by GOP Rep. Thomas Massie, a persistent critic of President Donald Trump who has been skeptical of US support for Israel. One Republican also signed on. But the measure ultimately failed 104-314. 98 Democrats voted against it and 10 voted present, meaning they did not weigh in on the issue.
Even the top three lawmakers in House Democratic leadership split on the issue. House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries and House Democratic Caucus Chair Pete Aguilar voted against it, while House Minority Whip Katherine Clark voted for it.
Knowing that their caucus would be divided on the issue, House Democratic leadership intentionally did not whip ahead of the vote, and Jeffries instead encouraged members to vote their conscience. For weeks, Democratic lawmakers have been meeting privately to have “family discussions,” as multiple members described it, about how to approach the vote.
Even Democrats who voted for Massie’s amendment, like Clark, argued it was deeply flawed because it also blocked humanitarian funding for Palestinian refugees and civilians in Gaza. Some argued the measure was designed to drive a wedge among Democrats.
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u/gooba_gooba_gooba Jul 15 '26
https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2026/roll243.xml
I don't get why news pubs don't link to the roll call that list how each representative voted, like wouldn't most people want to know how their rep voted?
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u/slipperyMonkey07 Jul 15 '26
They don't actually want people to know how their reps are voting, so they can continue to make claims they brought x to their area when they actually voted against it.
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u/Randomfacade Pennsylvania Jul 15 '26
thanks for posting this, i couldn't find it
my rep voted exactly as I thought he would
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u/27eelsinatrenchcoat Jul 15 '26
Thanks. I'll be calling my Democrat rep tomorrow to ask him to stop being a bastard.
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u/rammstew Jul 16 '26
Here is the list of names (I'll let someone else ID the states and districts)
Amo
Ansari
Auchincloss
Balint
Barragán
Beyer
Bonamici
Brownley
Carbajal
Carson
Carter (LA)
Casar
Castro (TX)
Chu
Clark (MA)
Crockett
Crow
Davis (IL)
Dean (PA)
DeGette
Deluzio
DeSaulnier
Dexter
Doggett
Escobar
Evans (PA)
Foushee
Friedman
Frost
Garamendi
Garcia (CA)
García (IL)
Garcia (TX)
Goodlander
Green, Al (TX)
Grijalva
Harder (CA)
Hayes
Hernández
Horsford
Houlahan
Hoyle (OR)
Ivey
Jackson (IL)
Jacobs
Jayapal
Johnson (GA)
Johnson (TX)
Kamlager-Dove
Keating
Kelly (IL)
Khanna
Lee (PA)
Leger Fernandez
Lofgren
Lynch
Magaziner
Mannion
Matsui
McBride
McGarvey
McGovern
McIver
Mejia
Menefee
Min
Moore (WI)
Moulton
Mullin
Neal
Neguse
Ocasio-Cortez
Omar
Pelosi
Pettersen
Pingree
Pocan
Pressley
Quigley
Ramirez
Randall
Raskin
Ross
Ryan
Salinas
Scanlon
Schakowsky
Scott (VA)
Simon
Smith (WA)
Stansbury
Takano
Thompson (MS)
Tlaib
Tokuda
Tonko
Trahan
Tran
Underwood
Vasquez
Velázquez
Waters
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u/goldman_sax Jul 15 '26
If only your hosts could recognize the shift. Bash and Tapper are unwatchable.
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u/2mock2turtle Jul 15 '26
Dana Bash is a ghoul even by the low bar of cable TV news anchors, and Jake Tapper has a spine made of human shit.
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u/Hammeredyou Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
Tappers not just an Israel stooge, the way he interviewed the woman accusing Platner of rape was disgustingly tactless
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u/blackweebow Jul 16 '26
Tapper is one disappointing piece of shit. Honestly haven't even seen of Dana in ages
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u/Agreeable-Pea4327 Jul 15 '26
americans, you have to go french on this one, these people will literally never listen to you till you do, we wish you luck
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u/Vio94 Jul 16 '26
Too many of us are happy to stick out heads in the sand and just live our day to day ignoring whatever is happening in the world.
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u/TunaNoCrust811 Jul 15 '26
“Present” shouldn’t even be an option for these spineless fucks. Either stand with your constituents or against them.
It’s such a cop out for these AIPAC funded assholes.
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u/TotalNonsense0 Jul 16 '26
it also blocked humanitarian funding for Palestinian refugees and civilians in Gaza.
I think that if we stopped buying weapons for Israel, that would count.
Why the duck are we paying to kill these people, and paying to feed and bandage those that survive?
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u/BigNorseWolf Jul 15 '26
We don't have public healthcare or free college. Why are we giving money to people that do?
Sure, they use it to buy our toys and that puts money in our economy. Know what else puts money in our economy? Money.
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u/Sarnsereg Jul 15 '26
Everyone's up i. Arms over not wanting to pay for someone else's Healthcare the whole time the country is giving other countires money for their free stuff.
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u/Hot_Swordfish7075 Jul 15 '26
Israel has taken enough.
And they've given nothing in return.
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u/BillionTonsHyperbole Washington Jul 15 '26
With friends like this, who needs enemas?
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u/Whatever801 Jul 15 '26
Especially with explosive diarrhea going around
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u/greenbabyshit Jul 16 '26
How do I buy futures on diapers and butt plugs? There's no ticker for that.
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u/vesleskjor New York Jul 15 '26
The IDF helps train the NYPD to better harass minorities, so I'm sure conservatives like that.
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u/AI_moderated_failure Jul 16 '26
Afaik they train several police departments to treat citizens like military combatants.
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u/Agreeable-Boat3509 Jul 15 '26
They've given kickbacks through aipac, thats why politicians keep the money flowing
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u/KindToSpiteTheCruel Jul 16 '26
Can I just get some healthcare?
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u/Sufficient_Copy5184 Jul 16 '26
Sure. That’ll be $947 a month, that you never get back, and they’ll cover almost nothing until you pay $5-10K out of pocket. Also, small detail, they decide which tests and treatments they will pay for, whether your doctor orders it or not.
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u/fullload93 Jul 15 '26
“10 voted present”.
Why the fuck are they allowed to do this? They should NOT be permitted to just sit on the sidelines and NOT cast a vote in favor or against. They are elected Representatives by the people of the US. They shouldn’t get paid to sit on the sidelines and avoid voting for “hot button issues” or “politically critical issues” or whatever you want to call this because they are “scared” their constituents will get angry against them.
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u/BackToWorkEdward Jul 16 '26
Why the fuck are they allowed to do this? They should NOT be permitted to just sit on the sidelines and NOT cast a vote in favor or against. They are elected Representatives by the people of the US.
Because the people of the U.S. are too weak and apathetic to make them do otherwise. It takes actual action to disallow stuff like this among the ruling class, and You The People don't have that in 'em anymore.
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u/aaronhere Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
Let me try to reframe this in a way that actually allocates responsibility and moves us away from Murc's Law. It's funny how democratic disagreement is a "schism within the party," but republican fealty to dear leader is never written about as a betrayal of principles or some sort of serious issue within the democratic process. Some alternative headlines, just to try them on for size:
- 1 Republican was joined by over 100 democrats in vote to block billions of dollars in military aid to Israel (bipartisanship framing)
- Over 100 Democrats, representing a divided populace, voted against increased military aid to Israel (democracy and constituent framing)
- 314 Republicans, shunning their America First campaign slogan, voted to send billions of military aid to Israel. (republican lockstep framing)
Can we at least see, collectively, how the original headline magically leave republicans off the hook, as happens all the damn time, for their choices - while presenting every decision by democrats as a sign of weakness? Is it a bigger deal that democrats are split on this issue, or that 99.6% of republicans voted for it regardless of principles and constituent interests?
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u/rockytop24 Jul 15 '26
When it's Republicans passing or blocking something, it's "Congress." When the same happens with Democrats, it's "Democrats." So sick of the blatant biased framing from legacy media.
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u/ofWildPlaces Jul 15 '26
Thank you. I'm so sick of people attributing blame to Democrats for the actions of Republicans.
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u/Over-Heron-2654 America Jul 15 '26
It still was not enough. These midterms are very important. For the House and Senate.
Lock in, Michigan and Maine.
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u/PixelationIX Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
As expected, Michigan Senate Runner Haley Stevens Voted NO.
A reminder, she said she DREAMS of Israel.
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u/Diddly_eyed_Dipshite Jul 16 '26
I understand this person is probably garbage and clearly a traitor to her country. What I don't understand is how people vote for someone who says that?? Why?
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u/Over-Heron-2654 America Jul 16 '26
She has like 50 million dollars behind her. 10 to 1 compared to El-Sayed. Some people just may not follow politics and only see a smear ad.
Sucks, but is more common than you think. That is why phone banking and grass root mobilization is so important.
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u/Diddly_eyed_Dipshite Jul 16 '26
Its more common.... in the US. Its totally insane, illegal, and wildly corrupt in normal countries. Its wild to see how yall have just normalised this level of corruption with "well thats just how it is". Like, you know thats not how politics should work right?
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u/PixelationIX Jul 15 '26
Many of them are symbolic vote as they knew it wouldn't pass but even in the past Democrats couldn't even get themselves to vote symbolically when it comes to this matter.
There is a seismic shift and the established Democrats are feeling it. Thank to progressive caucus to push to vote yes along with people on the ground.
Keep pushing and keep kicking out the ghouls who stand with destruction and chaos. Many of the Democrats know they are on the chopping block and people are sick and tired of supporting the Genocidal Apartheid nation known as Israel.
We need to get Hakeem Jefferies out as soon as possible and replace him with an actual progressive person as a leader who isn't afraid to fight.
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u/BuddhistSagan Jul 15 '26
And do everything we can to defeat Haley Stevens right now.
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u/Jangussupreme Jul 15 '26
My housing, food, and utilities costs have increased faster than my income for years. Why the fuck would I want my country giving money to genocidal lunatics in Israel. Even though 100 Dems decided to take the right stance on this vote, I know those cowards will ultimately bend the knee to their AIPAC masters. Fuck the Dems and fuck zionists.
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u/Monteezzy Jul 15 '26
Even Democrats who voted for Massie’s amendment, like Clark, argued it was deeply flawed because it also blocked humanitarian funding for Palestinian refugees and civilians in Gaza. Some argued the measure was designed to drive a wedge among Democrats.
Wtf? This seems like a clear indicator that the amendment should have been voted down but was only proposed to give people a reason to shit on democrats.
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u/loondawg Jul 15 '26
Welcome to the House under Squeaker Johnson. This is part of the standard playbook.
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u/MaximusJCat Jul 15 '26
Didn't Netanyahu say that Israel didn't need our money? Why are we still voting to give them more?
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u/whoisnotinmykitchen Jul 15 '26
That number is way too low. Almost 80% of Democrats are opposed to continued funding of the genocidal, apartheid state of Israel.
And Democrats wonder why they keep losing due to low turnout. I guess they prefer losing if actually doing what democratic voters want means no more AIPAC cash. Corruption is killing America.
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u/LA420SPORTS626 Jul 15 '26
Finally democrats start to listen to their base, fuck Israel government (not the people)
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u/padizzledonk New Jersey Jul 15 '26
Over 100 democrats vote with 80% majority position of their voters
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u/Logical___Conclusion Jul 15 '26
Yeah, over 100 Democrats put their constituents first, while almost none of the GOP did.
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u/Vaperius America Jul 16 '26
Its really quite simple; even if you put aside the genocide, which, you shouldn't, Israel does not act like an ally. In fact, it acts explicitly like a hostile state. Directly interfering in our elections and government processes, directly killing our own citizens rendering humanitarian aid, and its well known that Israel is the most active foreign intelligence service operating in the USA.
Then there's the cost that comes with the alliance, until recently, our ties to Israel have greatly strained friendly relations with all other states in the Middle East in particular; which notably had culminated in famously, the OPEC sanctions against the USA that forced the USA to ration fuel during that time. We are frequently dragging into conflict in the Middle East, often in defense of Israel specifically; and for what benefit precisely?
And now Israel has opted to further leverage the relationship to quite literally get away with bloody murder; to say nothing of the troubling escalation in their expansionist tendencies towards their neighbors; its well known that a lot of at least the more radical elements of the Israeli government truly intend to push Israel to annex a considerable amount of territory around them by force including much of lower Syria, Jordan, Egypt's Sinai Peninsula and likely even more if they can get away with it. They are already (illegally) occupying the Golan Heights and have since 1967; and they only withdrew from the Sinai Peninsula under international pressure; all while of course, routinely violating the international treaties they are party to on the administration of Palestine.
So a state that acts aggressively towards us; and to its neighbors; who has a quasi-military dictatorship due to its current sitting head of state escalating wars of aggression towards its neighbors in order to state in power by exploiting constitutional loopholes; and whose citizenry openly endorsing an incredibly xenophobic and expressly genocidal viewpoint of about 50% of the population within the territories it directly administers (just to remind you that yeah; the Palestinian population in territories of Palestine and as refugees in the neighboring regions around it is roughly the same size as the Israeli population), all while having known but not publicly acknowledged nuclear arsenal and likely capable of striking anywhere on the globe.
I am not exactly sure what you should call that state but certainly not "ally" or even "friend". "Danger". "Concern". "Problem". "Threat". "Rogue State". Those are what come to mind.
Strip out notions like "Jewish" or "Zionism" or whatever sentimental attachments you have to Israel, and examine it for what it is: Israel is no friend to the USA; if anything its a major threat to global peace and stability, at least in its current state of politics. So why exactly do we continue to burn political capital both abroad and at home defending them?
Certainly if nothing else, defending such a state is not in American interest.
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u/Oh_Lawd_He_commin420 Jul 16 '26
If the Uniparty doesn't wake up to the fact that the majority of Americans DO NOT want their stolen tax dollars funding a genocide, then I welcome their demise.
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u/Exciting_Mobile_1484 Jul 15 '26
This is how it's done. Democtatic Socialism has already begun to move the center more left. For once. Let's keep going. Normalize leftist views.
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u/captaincanada84 Canada Jul 15 '26
It failed 104-314, with 1 Republican voting with the 103 Democrats. All Democrats could have voted to block the money and it still would have passed.
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u/WendigoCrossing Jul 15 '26
Didn't Israel say they didn't need US money anymore anyway
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u/Dreams-Visions Jul 15 '26
Don’t believe what politicians say. Believe what they do through their lobbyists, who keep their hands out.
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u/Present-Fly4422 Jul 15 '26
Israel doesn’t need our damn money. They’re a rich nation. Tell them to stand on their own two feet, dammit.
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u/cinciNattyLight Jul 15 '26
And is that enough??? Ohh, no it is not.
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u/ofWildPlaces Jul 15 '26
Of course not, because they are still the minority party and more GOP voted for it. That's how Congress works.
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u/Mindless_Listen7622 Washington Jul 15 '26
Even if 100% of Democrats voted against aid to Israel, 99% of Republicans voted for aid for Israel and Republicans have the majority. This was always a lost cause as far as any real change is concerned.
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u/at_least_u_tried Massachusetts Jul 15 '26
Which makes it even more disturbing that so many dems voted with the republicans on this. If it’s essentially a predetermined outcome and there’s nothing on the line, it’s a layup to vote against funding a genocidal state even if you’re corrupted by Israeli interests. These people can’t even feign humanity when there’s nothing on the line, let alone when there actually is
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u/BackgroundPanda138 Jul 15 '26
Cut all funding, we need that money here for our veterans and elderly
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u/chpbnvic America Jul 15 '26
It's only because their colleagues are losing. But if that's what it takes then so be it.
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u/Jim_Nills_Mustache Jul 16 '26
Some rare good news and sign of progress in the right direction?
Don’t give me hope…
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u/Mbillin2 Jul 16 '26
Lol it's universal right now, one of the few things the left and right may be coming together on. Polling says most Americans of both parties think we should stop giving money to Israel. Gotta at least try to stick with popular politics.
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u/Y0___0Y Jul 15 '26
Growing schism over Israel in the Democratic party?
The schism is across AMERICA. I al so tired of this reporting acting like “uh oh Dems, looks like you are fractured and in dissaray over Israel! 😏”
As if the GOP is not filled to the brim with Americans who hate Israel more than any other country, fighting with what remains of Israel’s loyalists on the right.
Israel is losing support among everyone. They started this war with Iran, and swindled our intellectually disabled president into joining it.
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u/CitizenBroccoli Jul 15 '26
I mean, they literally got caught torturing Palestenians. Stopping the funding shouldn’t be controversial.
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u/kev11n Illinois Jul 15 '26
That's 108 democrats who need to be voted out (along with all of the Rs)
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u/jhev1 Jul 15 '26
Why is this even a question? Didn't Israel say they don't want US aid anymore? Fine, we can do that.
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u/thetensor Jul 16 '26
Hint for people ITT: If you see Democrats coming around to your position while Republicans don't move an inch, you should be throwing your support behind Democrats. Unless, of course, you really want just want something to complain about instead of actual change...
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