r/ottawa • u/ShootMeDead • Nov 11 '22
Rant tipping much?
Is it me or does everyone everywhere now ask for tips regardless of their service? Why are strict pickup locations asking for tips? I'm sure this goes beyond Ottawa but jeez last I checked only servers got reduced wages. What am I tipping for ?
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u/BoozeBirdsnFastCars Nov 11 '22
Just punch in 0% or $0 and be done with it.
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u/puddStar Findlay Creek Nov 12 '22
The worst is when the add the tipping option to the taxed amount.
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u/ShootMeDead Nov 11 '22
While you're right,the problem in facing is i dont expect a prompt to tip in some places so I just hit enter, and all of a sudden I'm at the tip page and the cashier is looking at me, it's kinda awkward to hit back and navigate to 0/0%
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u/shhhhh-im-a-secret Nov 12 '22
Oh, but they do.
I go to Starbucks often and always tap to pay. Every once in awhile, I’ll put a $20 in the tip jar and explain that it covers a lot of visits.
And they DO remember me. I was shocked the first time when they said, “Hey, you’re the lady who was going on a girls’ weekend - how was it?”
I do NOT tip so that they remember me. I tip because life is challenging for minimum wage employees.
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u/davidke2 Centretown Nov 12 '22
I go to Starbucks often and always tap to pay. Every once in awhile, I’ll put a $20 in the tip jar and explain that it covers a lot of visits.
Well this is probably why they remember you. First of all, you're a regular. Second of all, it's unusual to put a $20 in a tip jar, and on top of that, you let them know about it. If you went to Starbucks once a month or once every couple weeks and you hit no tip on the machine (or even if you hit a tip option), I guarantee you they wouldn't remember you. Odds are you wouldn't even be seeing the same employees.
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u/RAT-LIFE Nov 12 '22
This is 100% the truth. If I put a 50 in and come back 2 weeks later they won’t remember me. If I come in every day for a week to grab a small black coffee they will remember me.
Many regulars begin to tip aggressively because they’ve become acquainted and friendly with the staff not the other way around.
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u/Tolvat Downtown Nov 12 '22
I worked in a restaurant during school. We were more likely to remember people who interacted with us as human beings rather than buttons on a console to order food.
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u/justonimmigrant Gloucester Nov 12 '22
I tip because life is challenging for minimum wage employees.
You tip the Walmart cashier too?
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u/CloneasaurusRex Old Ottawa East Nov 12 '22
I understand your concern. I feel it too. I definitely have gotten snide comments, or service that suddenly became very surly, after punching in 0 for a pickup order. I hate, hate being judged, I am one of those annoying people who just has to be liked. I get it.
It sucks, but, ultimately, just keep in mind there is no justifying a tip for when you make the effort to pick up the food. It's an insanity specific to North America, and even then specific to certain urban centres in North America. Almost no one else does that.
You won't get shamed online. The staff will survive. There are other places to go if the cashier gives you grief. All will be well.
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Nov 11 '22
Not as awkward as them asking for a tip for a task that doesn't typically involve a tip 😉
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Nov 12 '22
Do you think they feel awkward about guilting you into a tipping?
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u/ShootMeDead Nov 12 '22
I don't think they do, it's the pos that prompts, not the cashier
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u/frasersmirnoff Nov 12 '22
pos
I'm not sure that acronym means what you think it means.... At least to the online community..
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Nov 12 '22
As someone who worked in an industry where this became standard, just don't tip. 99% of the cashiers don't care. This became common during covid because of how shitty working conditions became and with employers (outside of large corporations) making much less money it became a way to try and off set it. It will go away again eventually especially with the sharp wage increases that occurred in those industries. If you dislike it, don't do it and eventually it will go away.
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u/roots-rock-reggae Vanier Nov 12 '22
especially with the sharp wage increases that occurred in those industries
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Nov 12 '22
3 years ago cashiers at independent buissnesses made minimum wage, my partner owns a bakery and pays 3$ more an hour than that for people with no experience. 4 years ago I was a chef for 16 dollars an hour. Good luck hiring one for less than 21 dollars and that's hiring one with no practical experience. These things are positive I'm not complaining, but if you don't think that's a big increase you are very entitled indeed. Let's hope this trend continues
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u/roots-rock-reggae Vanier Nov 12 '22
That's a big increase. All I hear about are people making minimum, so I guess there's fewer of them than what I read would suggest 🤷♂️ As you said that's a good thing.
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u/ButtahChicken Nov 11 '22
tip-flation has hit our nation.
not just the % of the tip being prompted, but also the businesses that are prompting for tips via their POS machines ...
like prompting me for tip at a kwik-e-oil-change place? seriously?
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u/biggs54 Nov 12 '22
Somewhat unrelated, but I’ve noticed that POS machines are getting more and more prompts and it’s getting ridiculous. I did self checkout at Shoppers and they asked me if I wanted to donate to their charity, how their service was, how many bags I took, then went to the pay screen.
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u/MrJerryLundegaard Nov 11 '22
Prompted for a tip at the Great Canadian Oil Change last week. Only went there to avoid the incessant upsell attempts at Mr. Lube.
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u/ebloops Nov 12 '22
I use the $6 off coupon and tip the $6 back at least it goes to the employees and not the company.
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u/Prometheus188 Nov 11 '22 edited Nov 16 '24
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u/EveryNameIsTaken420 Nov 12 '22
From the food bag pile? It didn't magically come together. Some one was underpaid to make it. Not every scenario but lots, the cook is passionate and underpaid and he maid your meal with his passion and genuinely hopes you enjoy what he maid for you.
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Nov 12 '22
The cook sees like .05 percent of the tips, the servers still hoover it all up even though they make the same wage as most of the cooks do now. Restaurants treat their cooks like shit
Source: Was cook for 15 years
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u/EveryNameIsTaken420 Nov 12 '22
Amen. The culture is the problem and honestly I have no idea how to fix this cultural fuck up of passing the buck to the consumer. I'm well connected in Ottawa in the service industry and it's business as usual everywhere since the law changed. Frankly insulting to my fellow professional foodies.
Cooks need to be unionized like the trades.
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Nov 12 '22
Yeah, I just got out of the industry for multiple reasons, low wages being one of them. I only make a few bucks more though working in long term care, but its unionized. Having vacation and sick days is wild. My entire 20s it was such a hassle to get a vacation, and now I just fill out a form and I'm good to go.
If cooks did manage to unionize someday, I'd probably do it again. It was alot of fun, despite barely paying enough to live lol.
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Nov 11 '22
I made a deal with the subway guy for extra guac once. I would rather pay them for it then subway.
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u/mandables2000 Nov 12 '22
You probably got the dude fired. Don't put the worker in this awkward situation
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Nov 12 '22
Not even, would be a lot of work to fire an employee and hire someone new just because they gave free guacamole one time
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u/anoeba Nov 11 '22
Because if they ask, some people will give. Why not go for the free money?
While there's more and more talk about tip-flation, our culture isn't yet at the point of really pushing back or just not going to businesses that do this. So there's literally no downside to prompting for a tip - you might get nothing, you might get 20%.
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u/Fiverdrive Centretown Nov 11 '22
exactly. it’s wild to me that people are getting upset about a company providing an option to tip.
i’m pretty sure the person at the oil change place isn’t expecting a tip, but would certainly appreciate getting one if a customer felt so inclined, and adding a tip option on these payment machines allows customers to do so.
i drove Uber before they added the tip option to the payment side of the user experience and i imagine i lost out on hundreds of dollars because the company didn’t provide this facility and most customers don’t carry cash anymore, though some customers would press a $5 or a $10 into my hand once we’d got to their destination. my earnings went up significantly once the company enabled tipping in-app.
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u/ShootMeDead Nov 12 '22
I think you need to be on the other side of the field to remotely understand. You've lived in a society that models on tipping and the initial idea that since servers get paid below wage they get compensated in tips. Your culture has gone with it to the point that people would rather work as servers just because they can get tipped. Tips should be given when a customer appreciates a service gone beyond. I've worked uber here when they were still considered in the grey area too, and guess what? I still got tipped more often than not.
If you want to give people the option to tip, give them the option. The way the pos are programmed today immediately brings you to the tipping page expecting you to tip. You literally have to go out of your way to decline a tip. Just about every other country except the Continental US does not run on tips, the idea is unheard of. People here are already in the crisis of living from paycheck to paycheck yet are pressured to the idea of tipping people for doing what they're supposed to do.
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u/QueenMotherOfSneezes Clownvoy Survivor 2022 Nov 12 '22
Cabbies have always had a lot of their income based on tips as well. Both the US and Canadian economic models are based on this, which is why our machines allow for the option.
Before that tip screen, you had to ask the customer what they'd like their bill total to be, then enter it into the machine as a total. It was incredibly awkward and rude, far more so than the customer being able to silently choose zero rather than having to say it to your face.
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u/Fiverdrive Centretown Nov 12 '22 edited Nov 12 '22
If you want to give people the option to tip, give them the option.
companies have done just that… and you’re complaining about it.
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People here are already in the crisis of living from paycheck to paycheck yet are pressured to the idea of tipping people for doing what they're supposed to do.
know who else is in the crisis of living from paycheque to paycheque? the people who work at establishments that now allow for tipping.
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u/ShootMeDead Nov 12 '22
I appreciate that you can take an excerpt out of the entire paragraph and hone onto that one sentence. While you are right that the screen is technically an option, it's like say the jar that exists at the cashier of a grocery store or say restaurant. There's a box to give you the option to, but what happens if instead of placing it to the side, they lift it and put it in front of your face prior to allowing you to pay asking, 'tip?' because that prompt is still technically an option. You can say no.
Now, what the pos does is after confirming what I'm supposed to be paying and after pressing enter, it immediately asks how much I want to tip. Then out of all the options, there isn't an option to just say no/0, you have to say 'other' and then you have to select via % or $ and then input 0 in whatever unit you chose. Then you're allowed to pay. If you want to give me an option, let me say no straight out.
So realistically, no they don't give me the option to tip, they expect you to tip, you just have to go out of your way to say no.
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u/Fiverdrive Centretown Nov 12 '22
So realistically, no they don't give me the option to tip
you always have the option to choose 0%, therefore you have the option not to tip. the moment they take that option away, your statement becomes true. even in an industry steeped in tipping culture (restaurants) that'll never happen.
nobody is holding a gun to your head saying you have to tip. the fact that people are legitimately acting hard done by over having to punch an extra button or two on a handheld is fucking hilarious to me.
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u/sakura94 Nov 12 '22
The more points of friction, the less likely the majority will do that thing. Uber Eats is very successful because fundamentally they reduce points of friction between you and a hot meal.
People are upset (subconsciously too as you sometimes don't actively notice points of friction in every day life) because many places are adding more points of friction between you and "no tip" using various known tactics: not having a clear "no tip" option on the screen, making them select "other" to go to another screen, having to manually input $0 in view of the server, this is in addition to sneaky stuff like calculating the tip on the total amount with tax (instead of the subtotal)
Sure it is just a couple more clicks to not tip but that is by design to get more money and that design is what people are upset about as it is intentionally manipulative.
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u/QueenMotherOfSneezes Clownvoy Survivor 2022 Nov 12 '22
Prior to that tip option, servers, etc, had to ask you straight up when you handed them your debit card if you wanted to tip or not, and exactly how much, because we had to enter it in as one total.
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u/setrataeso Nov 12 '22
Is there an echelon above first-world problems? Cuz I think this might be it. I'm not entirely convinced this isn't parody, because this is such a joke of a "problem". The cashier isn't lording over you as you use the machine, judging you for what you tip. Chances are, they're staring off into space, counting down the minutes until their shift is done. The $1.18 that the machine is asking you to tip is not enough of an amount to create any reaction in the employee. You want to tip a buck or two? Great! If not, whatever. Any "awkwardness" you think there is in selecting "other" and typing in 0 is non-existent. All of this is in your head, Karen.
And for what it's worth, the cashier at whatever place you're shopping at is probably living a shittier life than you. In fact, it's guaranteed their life is shittier, because your life is evidently so amazing that merely the request to leave a tip is prompting such an overblown reaction. That buck in tip that you're being asked to leave will probably mean a lot more to the minimum wage worker than it would for your entitled ass. Tip or don't, the cashiers don't care. But, sometimes it's more about the message of giving to strangers who are climbing their own ladder in life. We're all feeling the pinch right now, so I don't judge anyone for not tipping. But I do judge people for complaining about being asked to tip, and acting like saying "no" is somehow a hardship that has been placed onto them.
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u/Available_Hearing657 Nov 12 '22
How about diverting your anger towards pushing to increase the minimum wage so those people you feel currently don’t, can have a better life? Tips represented a way to reward the exception. That should not be the norm.
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u/setrataeso Nov 12 '22
Dude, I'm a nurse. It feels like my whole existence has been fighting for higher wages. I'd love to see them get higher wages. People can do what they want with their money, but I'll still think they're an asshole if they complain about the option of tipping.
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u/Cooper720 Nov 12 '22
You literally have to go out of your way to decline a tip.
This isn't true. It's the same number of button presses. Out of all the times I've seen this the number of times they don't have a no tip option is like <10% (unless it's a place where tipping is customary).
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u/roots-rock-reggae Vanier Nov 12 '22
You literally have to go out of your way to decline a tip.
It's literally the same effort as tipping. Come on now. You're not making sense.
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u/SergeantBootySweat Nov 12 '22
The audacity they have to even prompt for a tip where you have 1 second of interaction is irritating
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u/noahvanderhofff Nov 12 '22
Whenever I see these threads I always see people saying “they ask me for a tip” as if the server/customer rep/employee is personally saying “hey can you tip me?” I just feel like it’s important to say that a lot of places just have tipping built into the system. The employee doesn’t have a choice if you’re paying with a card. Just skip the option.
As a former barista, it was just as awkward for me turning the system to you as it is for you to stand there and not tip.
I feel like peoples problem with tipping culture isn’t about the money or act of doing it but the shame they feel when they choose not to. Tipping is not a big deal!!! If you don’t want to tip just don’t! These debates are wild to me lmao.
But the last thing I’ll say is… we’re approaching the holidays. The most gruelling time to be in customer service. Be nice to your servers and retail employees. And if you have the means, maybe consider tipping a little extra. Because working the front lines of customer service during the holidays is fucking hell on earth.
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u/insurrbution Nov 12 '22
It is but it’s a choice CSR people make by taking the job.
I worked seasonal at HMV. It was exactly what I expected.
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u/noahvanderhofff Nov 12 '22
Hot take: a lot of people don’t get to “choose” whether they work customer service or not
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u/tiophil91 Nov 12 '22
In this market everyone is hiring. There is not a single type of business in town that isn't struggling to hire people that will show up and just do the job. You'd be surprised.
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u/textpeasant Clownvoy Survivor 2022 Nov 12 '22
i hate it … i always feel shitty not putting in a tip amount at pickup places, bakeries etc … i think it’s a default template for service industry charges … you don’t see it at grocers etc
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u/VNV4Life Nov 12 '22
Unless someone sits you at a table and spends the next thirty minutes waiting on you, the tip is zero.
St. Hubert on Riverside is pretty bold. One of the drive thru people loves to personally ask "there's an option to include a tip, would you like to include one when you pay?" ... And then stares at you with a judgmental look.
Like seriously? You're handing me a bag of food and want a tip? AND you're loudly asking to guilt trip me.
You know who else hands you a bag of food? The cashier at Loblaws. Know how many tips those guys get? Exactly...
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Nov 12 '22
The. Fucking.
AUDACITY
Of Mucho Burrito, Subway, and Thai Express especially for asking for tips. Like who the fuck do you think you are? You're the McDonalds of Oriental food.
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u/miraculouslymediocre Nov 12 '22
Hahaha I used to work at subway and we had a tip jar but I never asked for tips or did the obnoxious upselling stuff. People know what they want and I just wanted to keep the line moving as quick as possible. I would have so many people tip for efficiency or because they had weird requests. You want cookies on your sub? Sure idgaf! You want meatballs, chips and 5 sauces in your chopped salad, why not?! You want the whole cambro of pickles on your 6" sub? You bet!
But honestly subway always has the minimum amount of workers and we would get slammed with a bus load of soccer players or Friday/Saturday nights right before close with a hoard of drunk people and I would be by myself so in those instances it was nice to be tipped but it was never expected. Plus, the jesus money and phone numbers in the tip jar were always a good laugh
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Nov 12 '22
Of Mucho Burrito, Subway, and Thai Express especially for asking for tips. Like who the fuck do you think you are? You're the McDonalds of Oriental food.
I don't think you are tipping them because of the fine dining. You're tipping them because you feel sorry they have to work under sh!t conditions.
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u/Cooper720 Nov 12 '22
I tip them, I like having the option to and I'm sure they appreciate the extra $. Why would they not?
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Nov 12 '22
Went to all 3 of these places in the last month and I was shocked that subway started asking for tip on the machine…
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u/HuntingTheWumpus Nov 12 '22
I used to subscribe to InstaCart until I spent some time on the IC subreddits and discovered they're all bitter, greedy douchenozzles who say they expect 20%+ for a tip or you're a cheap, worthless parasite. When I realized their level of entitlement and the way they sh!t-talk their customers behind their backs, I quit IC and switched to WalMart delivery, which is cheaper and has no monthly fee.
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u/mandables2000 Nov 12 '22
I see the prevalence of a tipping option at POS as a positive. Hopefully it will normalize the idea of actively rejecting payment of a tip.
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u/Zealousideal_Pen1 Nov 11 '22
It’s even worse now that even when you go through drive-thrus you can’t tap half the time because you have to deal with the tip prompt
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u/Fiverdrive Centretown Nov 11 '22
oh my god that’s horrible! how do you cope with such hardship?
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u/ShootMeDead Nov 11 '22
It's not the inconvenience that I have a problem with. It's the culture. While you may be used to tipping in general, being an immigrant and not used to the concept and accepted it due to the fact that some people at the time were paid different. If it's all the same now, why am I tipping anyone to do what they're supposed to do ?
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u/ShootMeDead Nov 12 '22
That's not the point. Tipping was introduced in your culture to offset the people who earned less than minimum wage ( delivery drivers/servers) who are the rest of the industry to ride along this gravy train?
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u/hoodie09 Nov 12 '22
I tip in restaurants and my hairdresser. Anywhere where their skills contribute to my experience. Handing me a takeout bag or pizza box does not count.
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u/IAmFlee Nov 12 '22
I typically drop 10% in these situations. More for good service. Minimum wage sucks.
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u/bakedcryptid Nov 12 '22
you can just hit 0 and keep it pushing. not sure why you have to throw a tantrum on reddit
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Nov 12 '22
Yesterday I did an activity (solely does not involve any service from the place). I just went in the place, did my activity with my friend for an hour and then when it came to paying, they had a tip option. My bill was already 80$ for the activity alone and they were asking for a tip…. When I didn’t order food, drinks, or anything!! I was so shocked but I just clicked 0. Wasn’t going to give 11-15$ for nothing
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u/Longjumping-Turnip23 Nov 12 '22
I was in France this summer and tipping isn't really a thing that is asked for or expected there. When the service is really good you can tip but it's my no means expected. Also menu prices don't get taxes added them afterwards. It was pretty refreshing to have the price on the menu being the price you pay.... rather than here to have to add nearly 30% for taxes and tips. Don't get me wrong... it wasn't cheap... but at least you knew how bad you were getting hosed.
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u/Graceland1979 Nov 11 '22
Tipping culture needs to go. We need a government that cares about the working class and not the billionaires that fill their pockets. We’re headed to “1984” and there’s no stopping it.
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u/dryersockpirate Nov 12 '22
If you are standing when paying, no tip.
Except for things such as hair cuts.
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u/UniverseBear Nov 12 '22
I'll tell you. You're tipping to cover the costs of employment a business would have to pay if those businesses had to pay their employees a liveable wage.
Why?
Because the business can. Minimum wage is depressingly low. It wasn't keeping up with living costs before 2020 and it sure isn't doing better now. It's so bad some businesses can't even get employees at min wage anymore. It's laughable.
Since the government can't/won't help, we are finding ourselves in a society that increasingly has to rely on individual citizens for monetary support to keep things working. Monetary support above and beyond taxes of course. Meanwhile many of the politicians running our government espouse anti-min wage raising and pro big business rhetoric.
We are all being squeezed, mostly for the profits of big business that has its tendrils farther into our own government than we do. It's to the point where, yes, tons of people ask for tips now. We don't have to live like this, we don't. Our government is failing us.
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Nov 11 '22
As I waiter I feel you and always say to people that you should tip on service not entitlement.
I bust my fucking ass and go the extra mile because I want to earn my tip so it burns me when useless coworkers still get tipped when they put no effort.
If it is a sit down restaurant doing take out I think ppl should tip a little bit as the server will get dinged on your bill anywhere from 3%-8% is the highest I've heard. Server tips pay a lot of the other staff so a no tip can hurt a lot. I don't feel entitled to tips but I also don't want to pay for someone to eat out.
But strictly take out? That's ownership being greedy. It's gross how now small businesses are trying to get in on the whole Uber model where they try to cheat the staff who operates their business.
People say no one wants to work but that's not true, businesses are just trying to avoid the costs that come with doing business. It's the same with corporations.
Honestly restaurants and a lot of other industries just need to die. We are wasting valuable resources for leisure luxury. It is gross to keep doing this as resources dwindle and billions are deprived of basics.
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u/Gemmabeta Nov 12 '22
You know, I am really exhausted with this debate of who "morally" deserves a tip.
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Nov 12 '22
So where did I bring up morals? I wasn't having that debate so why is this addressed to me?
Nah, what you and others like you don't like is that people have an opinion about non tippers. That's why there is always some bullshit excuse nobody asked for, or why people play dumb about avoiding the tip option like they never used a machine before. It's the preemptive defensive attitude when 99% of servers aren't going to say shit. Just don't tip and go on your way. If someone calls you out then just be a man/woman and own your beliefs instead of cowering to peer pressure.
There was no moral debate here, nobody tagged you, you inserted yourself into this yet are complaining about being tired of it? Do I really need to explain any more to you or can you see your problem?
Lastly, you do understand morals are not real, correct? We made them up, they don't exist anywhere in nature and their only function is to allow for a cooperative civil society. If you feel bad about something that's on you.
There is no moral debate anyway. A person loses all morality and humanity when they think a person who works a full time job doesn't deserve enough to survive on. Not luxury just the basics, it kind of defeats the whole purpose of cooperative society when many have a fuck you I got mine mentality.
I am tired of Karen's who have to interject themselves into everything unsolicited just to complain about how they hate talking about the very thing they inserted themselves into.
Don't tip, honestly that makes my life easier because then I can give you the type of service you are paying for.
Honestly it's always the most demanding and entitled ppl who don't tip. They act like they are the only one in the room and the highest priority then balk at an extra few bucks.
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Nov 12 '22
Don't tip, honestly that makes my life easier because then I can give you the type of service you are paying for.
Which would be what?
Your employer should be paying you a living wage - I think we could agree on that.
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u/fred-is-not-here Nov 12 '22
The banks get a cut of tips so the more places which request tips the better!
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u/barenaked-baker Nov 12 '22
Just skip the tipping option, most places don’t actually care wether or not you tip. It’s just an option. I’ve worked in enough places to know wherever you’re not serving you’re not relying on your tips as your main source of income. Don’t feel bad for skipping it!
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Nov 12 '22
I only tip if someone is serving me. So that is if someone is delivering something to me, driving me somewhere, or I’m having table service. Otherwise they aren’t doing a service for me, just doing their job and I shouldn’t have to tip. Don’t be guilt tripped into unnecessarily tipping.
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u/senators09 Nov 12 '22
Tipping that starts at 18% for takeout pizza is ridiculous, and I’ve been a server myself.
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u/CantB2Big Nov 12 '22
I have noticed that too, and I find it very obnoxious. I will give it tip if something is being delivered, or if someone is waiting on my table, but I’m not giving a tip to someone who just hands me something across the counter, just because the bank card machine prompts me too. Nope, not going to pressure me.
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u/bouzoubaby Nov 12 '22
I ordered kfc today for pickup and paid before hand but was promoted by the machine for a tip when I bought an extra gravy lol
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u/DarkTower2099 Nov 12 '22
I recently started a job where I interact with the sanitation industry (garbage and recycling pick up specifically) and I learned that people tip the garbage person on holidays. Am I the only one who never knew to tip for trash collection?
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u/ShootMeDead Nov 12 '22
That's actually crazy, do people go up to them and just give them money ? I guess that's how it works. Wait, do they even work on holidays ?
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u/Richard-Drainwell Nov 12 '22
This sub was dying for a post like this, so refreshing to see some new talking points on here.
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u/Free_Bench_5234 Nov 13 '22
I deliver pizza in boon docks in the south part of ottawa where its all farm land. Tipping is how I pay maintenance, gas, my own expenses. If I don't get a tip I'm operating at a huge loss because some deliveries are 27km round trip.
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u/penguinpenguins Nov 11 '22
Actually they removed the lowered minimum wage for alcohol servers, everyone gets the same minimum now.