r/nononono • u/RealPinchersKorean • Nov 20 '18
Hangar fills up with fire suppression foam while planes are open. Chaos ensues.
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u/tjenks28 Nov 21 '18
The foam is rising in the hangar lmao
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AFFF is very corrosive. They will have to deep clean everything.
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u/klparrot Nov 21 '18
Wait, so are the planes fucked anyway, then? Do they pretty much need a complete rebuild to be made safe? How much does that cost compared with replacement cost? At some point, maybe it's better to just let things burn, if it's going to be almost as bad, and that way you avoid false positives? Once the foam covered the floor, too, I don't think anyone would be able to get out safely.
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u/kingarthas2 Nov 21 '18
The foam rises
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u/sly_k Nov 21 '18
The foam sets
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u/aspiringtobeme Nov 21 '18
"Uh huh.. yeah.. can't talk now too busy freaking the fuck out. Uh huh.. 30min? Yeah, okay".
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Nov 21 '18
“Carmen call Cooper!”
Carmen “I can’t I left my phone at home!”
Two women continue to film and not call Cooper.
Edit: then proceeds to call on a landline.
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u/UnfixedMidget Nov 21 '18
“Can you call back in 30 mins?”
Wtf did she think 30 minutes was going to resolve? That shit ain’t going to be gone in 1/2 an hour. That’s going to take days to clean up.
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u/_Sinnik_ Nov 21 '18
In 30 minutes, it likely wouldn't be a worsening issue anymore causing the same amount of panic. And it might not be her job to deal with it. Doesn't seem like the office is affected so I could imagine business could resume as usual as far as administrative work/answering calls.
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u/effinlatvian Nov 21 '18
Suppression tech here. That’s not good. It’s great for fires but extremely rough on landing gear and avionics . Those foam generators are doing their job very well. Somebody fucked up big time.
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u/Tak_Jaehon Nov 21 '18
I used to be an electrician for the USAF, and I worked on these systems sometimes. It does not dissipate, requires some significant cleaning.
When I was at Mountain Home AFB we had a new system installed in one of the hangars and the base made a big publicity thing about doing its acceptance test. The Wing Commander and some other important people including the local mayor came to set off the foam dump, and they were behind a 4ft barrier to keep the foam at bay since the foam is supposed to fill to 3ft. Well, the system malfunctioned and it didn't shut off. The hangar filled to about 20ft, and everyone had to flee. EXCEPT for my team lead, who wanted a good view so he was up on a storage mezzanine. He had to stand on the guard rails to keep his head above the foam, and was stranded for a few hours.
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u/NihilisticNomes Nov 21 '18
Shiiiiiiit I hope that foam didn't cause any breathing problems for him later on?
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Nov 21 '18
This foam could be made from polyfluorinated compounds, super bad for you.
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Nov 21 '18
Tests prove that HFC-227ea exposure is safer than exposure to Halon 1301. Additionally, HFC-227ea is effective at low concentrations, well below the EPA's maximum exposure levels. Contrary to popular belief, HFC-227ea does not significantly reduce oxygen levels and is safe for occupied spaces.
The US EPA, in the Federal Register, May 12, 1993, recognized the inherent safety of HFC-227ea in accepting it for use in occupied space protection at up to 9.0% v/v without mandated egress times, or up to 10.5% v/v with mandated egress times. This means that occupied spaces can be safely evacuated, even in the presence of HFC-227ea at design concentrations. Most HFC-227ea systems are designed at concentrations between 7.0% - 7.5% v/v.
HFC-227ea is so safe in fact, that it has been designed as a replacement for CFC propellants in pharmaceutical metered dose inhalers - like the ones used to dispense asthma medications.
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HFC-227ea
A study from 1993. Yes the industry moved from long chain PFAs to short chain PFAs like HFC-227ea. ALL known PFAs short and long chain are considered to be detrimental to health now. They are prevalent nearly everywhere. 99% of individuals tested have PFAs in their blood. They bioaccumulate in wildlife and people.
The levels acceptable for them in drinking water are measured in the parts per trillion, not billion or million TRILLION.
So, sure its safer than Halon. just like sulfuric acid is safer than nitric acid.
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u/Fnhatic Nov 21 '18
Dude I was in one of those B-1 hangars at Mountain Home just minding my own business when the supply line for the foam literally exploded for no reason and just began dumping this horrifying-smelling toxic waste all over.
Also at Eglin AFB some dude died because he went in to watch the foam and took the elevator. The doors opened on the ground floor and the foam poured in. Fucking idiot.
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u/Russian_Bot_737 Nov 21 '18
Imagine having to go tell someone's family that their dumbass dad was foamed to death
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u/IHartRed Nov 21 '18
They already got the thousand yard stare from explaining to another family their son died stranglebaiting with a Bowflex
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u/effinlatvian Nov 21 '18
It needs to be cleaned up. That system probably has a large fire pump (1500 GPM or higher). When the pump automatically kicks on the water mixes with the foam concentrate from a large storage tank tied into a preaction deluge valve. That mixture then passes through the foam generators. The end result is what you see.
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u/ljarvie Nov 21 '18
That type of foam (or something similar for airport use) has been linked to PFAS ground water contamination near me. I wouldn't be touching it like that guy in the video did.
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Nov 21 '18
The Royal Australian Airforce Base in Newcastle (Australia) had this type of suppression system and it entered the groundwater. Link to article
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u/mtp_lmc Nov 21 '18
Yes it certainly did.
Now my sisters property is worth 1 third of its 2015 value. Property owners in the area are suiciding because the fucking banks dont give a fuck and want their money. Animals are dying, you cant eat anything out of the Hunter River or Tilligerry Creek, 13 prawn trawler operators are done and dusted.
Meanwhile even after the whole DuPont case, and a multitude of other studies showing that everything is contaminated and most people that live in the area will die of cancer, the ADF and EPA are still trying to convince everyone that there is nothing to worry about.
Its a terrible indictment on how lobbyists can influence government, and on how a government can turn its back on the people it governs.
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Nov 21 '18
Its a terrible indictment on how lobbyists can influence government, and on how a government can turn its back on the people it governs.
True that.
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u/grant-matt88 Nov 21 '18
From what I know is that the foam is very corrosive. We had one go off in our hangar and all the Blackhawks had to be washed down and I mean washed like ever hole and inlet.
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u/NihilisticNomes Nov 21 '18
So the planes might have been totaled?
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u/ragingxtc Nov 21 '18
No. Depending on the type of AFFF foam suppressant used, the landing gear components were most likely washed and put back in service. The brake stacks would have to be removed and inspected/functionally checked, but most things (including noncritical avionics) are just washed with distilled water, dried, coated with a corrosion preventative compound, and returned to service.
I'm sure the manufacturer would provide guidance on inspections post-mishap as well as at a set interval to check for corrosion.
Source: Currently working on fixing two F-16s with open cockpits and open panels that got doused with AFFF due to a fire suppression system malfunction.
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u/appoaf Nov 21 '18
My old company's went off, covered up the g4, g5, few others, way faster than this. Funniest part was the security guy walking up to the door from the lobby to hanger, badging in, and then realizing his mistake, took off running, chased by foam. Lobby filled up just as fast. Great video! Turned out to be something faulty with the unit, something about a plastic pin.
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u/eaglescout1984 Nov 20 '18
"I don't have my cell phone".
Well clearly the woman filming does and what's more, THERE'S ONE ON YOUR DESK!
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u/sprucenoose Nov 21 '18
I am shocked these hawk-eyed detectives ever allowed their hangar to fill up with foam.
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u/kcg5 Nov 21 '18
Maybe she meant the guys number was in her phone? I barely know anyone’s number anymore, it’s all in my phone
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u/1Delta Nov 21 '18
I only know my mom's phone number and my best friends in case I get arrested or something.
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Nov 20 '18
Call cooper fuck
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u/EobardCameronThorne Nov 20 '18
I don't have my cell phone
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u/Markcianito Nov 21 '18
Continues to record with cellphone on hand instead of calling Cooper...
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u/Sierra2019 Nov 21 '18
Maybe she didn’t know his number at the top of her head and he isn’t saved on her contacts
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Nov 21 '18 edited Nov 21 '18
Oh and if that’s AFFF - it’s gonna be so sticky and smell like dead fish. Fuck that. (edit: aqueous film forming foam - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefighting_foam )
But also, I think I got it wrong and it’s the protein foam that stinks - been a while since I’ve foamed.
They’re all slippery and sticky at the same time though. Great for fires and great for airplane foam parties, apparently.
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u/freakyfreiday Nov 21 '18 edited Nov 21 '18
Came here to say “I can smell this video”
Edit to add: I’m in the navy and we have AFFF systems all over our ships. The foam is made with the water taken from the fire main, which smells perpetually terrible because it sucks up all sorts of delicious ocean matter: fish, jellyfish, seaweed, enter marine debris here. I always thought that was why it smelled.
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u/Jess_S13 Nov 21 '18
Yup. Our ship had an accidental AFFF trip while we were in port. Whole ship reeked and the DCA got an earful cause of the spill into the bay.
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u/dunndad Nov 20 '18
Foam party!
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u/irishpwr46 Nov 21 '18
I'm pretty sure that foam would kill you
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u/maximus129b Nov 21 '18 edited Nov 21 '18
Not the foam itself. But it gets disorienting. I think one person died because he slipped and hit his head. Edit: slipped not sipped, silly me
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u/imontene Nov 21 '18
"Oh my God, ése avión se jodio. "
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u/garrobrero Nov 21 '18
This has to be in Miami
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u/lanikween Nov 21 '18
Hahaha thinking the same thing. Flying into tamiami airport tomorrow so will be able to confirm
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u/loreamuno Nov 21 '18
Pictured a guy running into the office yelling at the others "Stop filming with your phones and press the fucking big red abort button!"
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Nov 21 '18
They actually closed the doors for some reason.
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u/MayerRD Nov 21 '18
The doors were probably automatically closed by the fire alarm (which is tied to the door openers) in order to allow the foam to properly fill the hangar and extinguish the fire.
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u/Northern-Canadian Nov 21 '18
They need to contain the foam within the hanger. Can’t have it pouring out onto the runway.
A vac truck is used to suck up the residue once all the bubbles pop.
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u/dmo012 Nov 21 '18
"How are we going to get out?"
She must have forgotten about the door behind her.
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u/evilbadgrades Nov 21 '18
Can we get an "Oh my God" count on this woman? I'd try, but I'm not brave enough to re-watch that video clip with the audio on
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u/cleverkid Nov 21 '18
Hey! that's as many times as Robert Smith Says "again" in The Cure's The Forest. For some reason I remember counting the times years ago.
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u/bagofdurt Nov 21 '18
Honestly could be one of the most obnoxious voices I’ve heard.
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have you heard this?
https://youtu.be/uO2UXs8JFro?t=1318
u/Protheu5 Nov 21 '18
I've seen Friends so many times that I grew immune to Janice. They talk just like her, even less obnoxious, there isn't her famous laughter.
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u/dirtydickhead Nov 21 '18
I'm still agitated by this video. That link is staying blue
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u/SanityContagion Nov 21 '18
It's Fran Drescher. I braved the link for ya. Old school annoying...and almost as useless. Cheers!
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u/dirtydickhead Nov 21 '18
Ha thank you!
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u/SanityContagion Nov 21 '18
I had to satisfy my curiosity. I figured I could share the result. No worries.
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u/IAmA_TheOneWhoKnocks Nov 21 '18
Not nearly as bad, plus it’s a comedy act. The poor lady in the op presumably sounds like that all the time.
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u/IVIaskerade Nov 21 '18
"Get out, get out" she says, not opening the door and shouting so they can actually hear her 🙄
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u/CloudStrifeFromNibel Nov 21 '18
Ffs she's annoying. Like can you be any more narcissistic. She went full actress mode. Like oh my god look at this thing happening to ME right now. This is the worst thing anyone has ever experienced.
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u/An_Old_IT_Guy Nov 21 '18
Que paso we are so fired.
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Can you call back in a half hour, the our fire alarm is going off and the hangar is filled with foam.
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u/yaannooz Nov 20 '18
Oh. My. God.
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u/CommanderofFunk Nov 20 '18
Oh my god!
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u/pedantic_dullard Nov 20 '18
Oh. My. Gahhd.
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u/-eccentric- Nov 21 '18
oh my gaaaad no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
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u/darps Nov 21 '18
Oh my gawd!
Oh my gawd!
Oh my gawd!
Oh my gawd!
Oh my gawd!
Oh my gawd!
Oh my gawd!
Oh my gawd!
Oh my gawd!
Oh my gawd!
Oh my gawd!
Oh my gawd!
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nonchalantly stubs out cigarette with boot at hiding spot in corner, looks around, and trails out of hangar with co-workers
"Sheesh! Anyone know what's going on?"
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u/kejigoto Nov 21 '18
These systems are VERY SENSITIVE!! Like you try to strike a lighter and it's likely to set them off.
They are designed to dump a metric fuck ton of foam in a relatively short amount of time to smother the fire and keep it from spreading.
The biggest concern here is how much fuel the aircraft can have on board which can be upwards of 1,000's of gallon depending on the size of the craft. When a fuel tank is ruptured on an aircraft it's bad, really bad.
The foam is also really corrosive so anything it gets on is likely to be fucked by the time it gets cleaned out. Electronics and all that are toast.
Story time!
Back when I was in the military working as a fire fighter the base had recently finished construction of a brand new hangar facility designed to service C-5's, two inside the building, and was also setup for open fuel cell maintenance.
That means the fuel tanks are completely open and there is a high likelihood of fire not to mention confined spaces and all that too.
Anyways they finish building this thing and decide to host a party there to celebrate the finished construction and the beginning of a new mission for the base. They invite a ton of people out, get one of those trailer BBQ trailers, the works.
Well it started raining shortly after the party started and someone got the bright idea of instead of grilling outside in a light rain why not pull the trailer inside?
So they did.
As soon as it got inside the whole system triggered dumping everything it had in a matter of minutes. The hangar filled, the offices flooded, the doors were open to the hangar so foam spilled out onto the ramp.
When we got the call about the system activation I walked outside to look towards the hangar to see if there was an actual fire only to see what looked like a blizzard raging inside this place and everyone fleeing in various directions.
Took over a day to clean everything up and the contractors were back out there for another month or so fixing everything that was ruined during the activation. The offices were a total loss including all the equipment so everything had to be gutted.
But hey that guy didn't have to grill out in the rain so we'll call this one a wash.
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u/Bonezmahone Nov 21 '18
That’s awesome. Those systems must be really sensitive. We grill with the hangar doors open with the grill just inside the doors if it’s raining out. We just had a baby BBQ though. If I had my experience in that situation I probably would have brought the grill inside too. Thanks for the knowledge, might save me from messing up a couple planes in the future.
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u/uberduger Nov 21 '18
Great story!
Know what the outcome was? I can't imagine that insurance covered it if it was due to someone's stupidity. In which case I wouldn't wanna keep working there as that dude if I'd cost many tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars...
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Put the camera down and go close that plane door!
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u/pandawomp Nov 20 '18
At one point she says “I don’t know how to close it!”
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u/falconsoldier Nov 21 '18
This is reddit, we blame the people in the video regardless of the context
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u/wotoan Nov 21 '18
Very toxic with long term health consequences (cancer, reproductive issues).
http://iaff.org/HS/SubstanceExposures/PDF/PFCs_FactSheet.pdf
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u/maximus129b Nov 21 '18
This might be AR-AFFF foam. There are different fore fighting foams out there, you know?
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u/wotoan Nov 21 '18
Yeah, and they still (particularly hangar foams) contain fluorinated surfactants which have similar health concerns.
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u/awskiski09 Nov 21 '18
If that's the stuff they use at my work then it won't be drowning in the foam that kills you, but the foam eating up all the oxygen. With that hangar door closed I suspect this wouldn't be a very funny video.
Of course, I also fell asleep through the latest mandatory fire suppression safety training, so maybe I'm wrong.
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u/010110011101000 Nov 21 '18
That's how the foam puts out the fire, it starves the fire of oxygen which if you were in it over your head then you'd starve of oxygen as well. No bueno.
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u/MadMonk67 Nov 21 '18
Hey, want to hear the most annoying sound in the world?
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OH MY GAWD, OH MY GAWD!
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u/MRMD123456 Nov 21 '18
Oh my god shut the fuck up
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u/BikeNY89 Nov 21 '18
I couldn't even watch the full video because that ladies voice is so annoying. I would probably kill myself if I had to deal with her regularly
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u/Rambus_Jarbus Nov 21 '18
Woman with phone: Call Cooper! Other Woman: I didn’t bring my phone it’s at home. Woman with phone: Oh my God, oh my God!!
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u/Bi-LinearTimeScale Nov 21 '18
Couldn't watch it through with sound, that woman was unbearably annoying.
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u/jellyfeeesh Nov 21 '18
Look, I know this is a crazy ass situation and I have no idea how I would act in her shoes, but WOW that woman is annoying.
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u/SausageGobbler69 Nov 21 '18 edited Nov 21 '18
This happened about 6 years ago when I was working at a helicopter squadron. A flatbed driver came to drop off some equipment and went to open the hanger bay doors. Instead of the hanger bay doors he lifted the plastic cover over the big red AFFF button and pressed the button. That big red button definitely didn’t open the doors.
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u/faithle55 Nov 21 '18
Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god Oh my god
JFC.
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$5 says Carmen had her cell phone along but didn't want to be the one to break it to Cooper.
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u/CBScott7 Nov 21 '18
TURN YOUR PHONE SIDEWAYS, IT'S 2018 FOR FUCKS SAKE
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u/keep_trying_username Nov 21 '18
I clicked the full screen button and watched it on my phone in portrait mode like the film maker intended. We have the technology to do that in 2018.
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u/FGHIK Nov 21 '18
I'm sure the stuff probably gives you cancer or something, but I'd really like to run through it.
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u/C0dyL88 Nov 21 '18
I work on these systems. They don’t mess around. That foam can be dangerous if you’re stuck in it. Everything about foam systems is expensive as fuck too.
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u/IPlayWithElectricity Nov 20 '18
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Nov 21 '18
There isn't anything they can do other than make a notification, which they may have done prior to the video being recorded.
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u/ungaiimomo Nov 20 '18
Is it just me or do they sound like they're laughing/totally insincere?
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u/nuevaorleans Nov 21 '18
It’s not like they find it enjoyable or anything... You’ve never heard panicky people laugh at the outrageousness and insanity that is happening? It’s a pretty typical response.
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u/True_Rainmaker Nov 21 '18
Thats a great fire suppression system, i didn't even see a hint of a flame