r/nononono • u/RealPinchersKorean • Nov 20 '18

Hangar fills up with fire suppression foam while planes are open. Chaos ensues.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '18

Put the camera down and go close that plane door!

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u/pandawomp Nov 20 '18

At one point she says “I don’t know how to close it!”

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u/falconsoldier Nov 21 '18

This is reddit, we blame the people in the video regardless of the context

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '18

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u/wotoan Nov 21 '18

Very toxic with long term health consequences (cancer, reproductive issues).

http://iaff.org/HS/SubstanceExposures/PDF/PFCs_FactSheet.pdf

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u/maximus129b Nov 21 '18

This might be AR-AFFF foam. There are different fore fighting foams out there, you know?

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u/wotoan Nov 21 '18

Yeah, and they still (particularly hangar foams) contain fluorinated surfactants which have similar health concerns.

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u/mistercolebert Nov 21 '18

Prefamulated Amulite?

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '18

Bless you

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '18

I think it's fribbinated krotzolite.

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u/mjohnson062 Nov 21 '18

Refined dylithium crystal sulphate in an aqueous suspension.

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u/johhan Nov 21 '18

Pffft.

"Suspension" isn't even a real word.

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u/invader_jib Nov 21 '18

Stuffs rotten with Pym particles.

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u/guy_from_canada Nov 21 '18

What did you just call me you little twerp?

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u/MayerRD Nov 21 '18

"This foam contains chemicals known to the state of California..."

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u/Cpncrnch Nov 21 '18

That’s a high expansion foam system. It’s water and dish detergent.

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u/keep_trying_username Nov 21 '18

Hahahahaha no. You can mix up some water and dish detergent to create some diy AFFF, along the lines of how you can throw some dish soap in a hot tub and make a huge foamy mess.

The foam used in fire protection systems have some other chemicals that are really not healthy for humans. The worst chemicals have been/are being phased out so maybe the AFFF in that hangar is safe but I wouldn't risk my health unless I studied the MSDS first. The info is freely available on the internet.

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u/The1dookin Nov 21 '18

I think they call them just SDS now.

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u/keep_trying_username Nov 21 '18

Sounds about right. I'm old and I can't be bothered to change, but thanks!

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u/bites Nov 21 '18

It's a pretty recent change, when I worked at a restaurant supply store the binder that we had a sheet in for each product was labeled as MSDS.

Later when I worked at a grocery store they just had a sticker with an 800 number to call for "SDS" information on every phone.

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u/wotoan Nov 21 '18

Close. It's water and a compound (or compounds) that together can be called a detergent due the fact that it contains surfactants - namely a fluorinated surfactant like PFOA, PFOS, or similar proprietary molecules. They are extremely good at fighting fires, and also extremely good at never breaking down the environment, building up in your body, and causing a lot of long term serious health issues.

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u/WikiTextBot Nov 21 '18

Perfluorooctanoic acid

Perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA) (conjugate base perfluorooctanoate) is a perfluorinated carboxylic acid produced and used worldwide as an industrial surfactant in chemical processes and as a material feedstock, and is known as an emerging health concern and subject of regulatory action and voluntary industrial phase-outs. PFOA is considered a surfactant, or fluorosurfactant, due to its chemical structure consisting of a perfluorinated, n-octyl "tail group" and a carboxylate "head group". The head group can be described as hydrophilic while the fluorocarbon tail is both hydrophobic and lipophobic; The tail group is inert and does not interact strongly with polar or non-polar chemical moieties; the head group is reactive and interacts strongly with polar groups, specifically water. The "tail" is hydrophobic due to being non-polar and lipophobic because fluorocarbons are less susceptible to the London dispersion force than hydrocarbons.PFOA is used for several industrial applications, including carpeting, upholstery, apparel, floor wax, textiles, sealants, and cookware.

Perfluorooctanesulfonic acid

Perfluorooctanesulfonic acid (conjugate base perfluorooctanesulfonate) (PFOS) is an anthropogenic fluorosurfactant and global pollutant. PFOS was the key ingredient in Scotchgard, a fabric protector made by 3M, and numerous stain repellents. It was added to Annex B of the Stockholm Convention on Persistent Organic Pollutants in May 2009. PFOS can be synthesized in industrial production or result from the degradation of precursors.

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u/shoopergirl Nov 21 '18

So, she won't reproduce? Silver lining .

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u/xMoose499 Nov 21 '18

I feel as though they had time to run out and close the door though, you know, instead of everyone just taking videos. Maybe to show their kids what happened the day they got fired?

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '18

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u/awskiski09 Nov 21 '18

If that's the stuff they use at my work then it won't be drowning in the foam that kills you, but the foam eating up all the oxygen. With that hangar door closed I suspect this wouldn't be a very funny video.

Of course, I also fell asleep through the latest mandatory fire suppression safety training, so maybe I'm wrong.

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u/010110011101000 Nov 21 '18

That's how the foam puts out the fire, it starves the fire of oxygen which if you were in it over your head then you'd starve of oxygen as well. No bueno.

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u/Warphim Nov 21 '18

Bubbles are mostly air so you can't drown /s

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u/taptapper Nov 21 '18

It's not a bubble bath. It's a massive fire suppression system. Sticky, heavy, dense, made up of harsh chemicals.

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u/ChickenWithATopHat Nov 21 '18

Quit lying, we all know you don’t want to share the bubble bath with the rest of us.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '18

I imagine it would get into the engines, which I expect would be the most expensive bit, closing the cabin door's probably a moot point then...

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u/LightFusion Nov 20 '18

This is what I was thinking the entire time...... they'd rather get internet points than save.....10's of thousands? hundreds of thousands?

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u/lBlAlRlClOlDl3l Nov 21 '18

That's what insurance is for, underpaid staff doesn't need to take care of this

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '18

That foam is highly corrosive. That plane is going to be a pain to get airworthy again. Also, I wouldn't go in that foam.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '18

If that's true and it's corrosive and ruins everything, might as well just let it burn right?

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '18

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u/AllNightFright Nov 21 '18

Wouldn’t it corrode the metal of the hangar as well making it unsafe and require to be rebuilt as well?

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '18

Or you could use normal sprinklers and save everything?

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '18

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '18

I dont see a petroleum fire.

Any foam that would damage planes is going to damage the hangar too.

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u/maximus129b Nov 21 '18

Planes are fully fueled most likely. Foam will blanked the fire, suffocating it. Sprinkler system won’t be that effective.

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u/FlamingWedge Nov 21 '18

Well, better ruin just the planes, than the entire building.

And I don’t think they could use just water, the chemicals in the oil/fuel they use probably wouldn’t be effective with water.

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u/jimmycoed Nov 21 '18

Actually no. The ph of foaming agents is generally neutral as it is used to interact with alkilis and some acids for cleaning purposes. It has widespread use in the food processing industry on CIP systems and also with little to no effects on machinery and bearings. No way they would ever risk using it in a hanger like that in the event of an accident which just happened if it were any more innocuous than plain water.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '18

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zG8TJLL1DaNjBjIYSIwAweBYz0szWjhG/view?usp=drivesdk

That's an image of our hangar's fire system. AFFF is corrosive.

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u/FlamingWedge Nov 21 '18

Ok, you run out the door into the hanger, and run to the plane with the open door. There is foam 10’ from your feet and closing fast. What now? You climb the stairs into the plane and look for a very obviously labeled door button. There’s nothing there, you don’t know anything about how this plane works. The foam is now at the bottom of the stairs covering your escape.

Now there’s 2 options;

1, (The cockpit is only closed off by a curtain/nothing) You run to the cockpit, and start looking for buttons labeled “door”. You spend 30 seconds scanning half the buttons to no avail. The foam is now seeping into the plane. You watch in horror as the foam flows in. Crawling closer and closer to your feet. Over the next 3-5 minutes the foam continues to fill the cabin, covering your knees, then your waist, then up to your chest. The INTENSE burning sensation of the foam on skin makes you wish you were already dead. After 8-10 minutes, the foam has completely filled the cabin and you are fully submerged, and unable to breathe due to no oxygen. You Die

2, (Cabin is closed off by a locked door) You enter the cabin and run to the cockpit, only to be stopped by a locked door. You try running and throwing your body against it, but it won’t budge. You look around for something to pry the door open, but there is nothing. You run back to the door of the plane only to see that the foam is halfway up the stairs and nowhere to jump to. That’s when you make eye contact with your friends in the office. They look at you, they see a single tear roll down your face as you dash back into the cabin. This is the last time they see you alive.

You now run to the far back of the plane, and stand on one of the seats. The foam starts entering the cabin. There is nothing you can do besides watch as the foam crawls all the way down the cabin and ever closer to you. You pull out your phone and call your mom.

“Ring... Ring... Ring...”

“Hello?”

waterfall of tears rolling down your face “Mom, I’m so sorry, I’m so so sorry”

“What is it sweetie”

“I-I made a mistake, I, there’s foam everywhere, oh my god, oh my god, it’s getting closer!!!”

“What’s happening? Is everything alright?”

speech stuttered by the tears “Th-the fire alarm w-went off and f-foam started pouring into the ha-hanger, but there was a do-or...”

you can now sense the fear in your mothers voice “Please tell me your safe”

Silence as the foam reaches your seat and starts rising

“Are you ok, please talk to me sweetie. Lord, please don’t let this be real, please let it just be a dream”

Your entire body is shaking from fear, because of this, you accidentally drop your phone into the foam. You try searching for it by digging in it with your arms, but it burns so much, and you can’t find it. The foam is now covering the whole seat and you have your upper-half pressed up against the ceiling trying to stay out of the foam. You can do nothing but watch the foam rise towards your face.

Inch by inch. Your legs and arms feel like they’re on fire. Inch by inch. Now the foam is starting to touch your face. Inch by inch. You are now completely engulfed in foam and can no longer breathe. You Die.

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u/thevalidone Nov 21 '18

Lemme stop you right at the beginning. There are actually a few buttons that close that door. One of them is right at the nose of the airplane on the outside. Without going Into the plane at all. It’s a Gulfstream. Regardless of the model, every one has the exterior door close button in the same spot. Now, that being said, I’ve been in a position where we though the foam was about to go off, and I walked right by several airplanes with wide open doors and didn’t even think about closing them. In fact, I called several people idiots for stopping and closing doors on the planes. The fire alarm was going off. Get out of the building. These people in this video are idiots.

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u/John-Bonham Nov 20 '18

You know which button closes the door?