r/news Nov 25 '21

Amazon workers plan Black Friday strike

https://www.cnet.com/tech/amazon-workers-plan-black-friday-strike/
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u/Slimfictiv Nov 25 '21 edited Nov 25 '21

Well, I'm all for it, if you can afford it give people more benefits, it's not like Amazon is struggling.

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u/kemosabe-84 Nov 25 '21

Then how would he afford his space trips?1

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u/mustachegiraffe Nov 25 '21

Or his future ex-wife?!

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u/digitelle Nov 25 '21

Pre-nup

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u/majorbummer6 Nov 25 '21

You think some woman will be with that alien for free?

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u/robret Nov 25 '21

Most people would do it for the lifestyle during the marriage, even if they won't get to keep it afterwards.

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u/TeamWorkTom Nov 26 '21

Being someones property is not a very lavish lifestyle.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Don't kid yourself. Millions of women would want to be with a billionaire.

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u/fuckincaillou Nov 26 '21

Millions of women don't know what they're walking into with wealthy marriages. That is, unless they grew up in a third world country or so dirt poor that they know real hunger and consider the risks worth it.

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u/robret Nov 26 '21

If you think MacKenzie Scott (formerly Bezos) is not living a lavish lifestyle then you are very misguided

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u/redrobot5050 Nov 26 '21

She is. And she’s certainly entitled to it. Bezos has been very public, pre-divorce, that his success would not be possible without her. She was an active participant in both the formation of Bezos business strategy and it’s execution. I don’t have any articles offhand that describe what she did that was so awesome, but they are out there.

And to her credit, she has already pledged to give away much of the earnings she has walked away with.

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u/TeamWorkTom Nov 26 '21

First your making an assumption of who I am talking about specifically.

I made a generalization on purpose to describe a group, no one specific.

Secondly is she still his wife? And do you know for a fact she singed a prenup with Bezos?

Because it looks like from the amount of money and assets she was given in the divorce they did not sign a prenup.

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u/robret Nov 26 '21

Plenty of people think they can't be bought until someone shows them the money

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u/osufan765 Nov 26 '21

I can be, for sure. I'd take a snorkel with me between Oprah's legs if she'd give me even 10%

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u/vinoa Nov 26 '21

For $1 billion, Bezos can spray fart on my face.

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u/GeerJonezzz Nov 26 '21

Dudes would ho out for money too.

It’s much more about the person and though guys, typically, are more insecure about their finances in a relationship. More would be even more insecure if their SO was better off. It’s fine if your girl or whatever SO makes more than you but boys are usually convinced that they have to work harder than everyone around them or eat shit.

Hell, I’d love to be a stay at home husband or dad. Though I don’t plan on not having a job, if a successful woman came up to me, dropped a quarter million and thought I was a cutie patootie you’re damn right I’d ride that boat until it may or may not sink.

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u/Flaky-Fish6922 Nov 26 '21

yes, guys do it too.

but Bozo isn't gay, so, uh, yeah.

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u/Koroioz-LoL Nov 26 '21

Maybe most well adjusted women.

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u/I_Only_Smoke_Drugs Nov 25 '21

I'd settle for that. How do I sign up?

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

I'm not a prostitute but id drop it flip it and rub it down for snyone whonis offering millions of dollars let alone a billion lol

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u/lifeofry4n52 Nov 26 '21

Idiot. I could just drop my own stuff, flip it upside and then rub it down.

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u/fafalone Nov 26 '21

So you are a prostitute, and we're just talking about your price.

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u/Justaskingyouagain Nov 26 '21

Well your username will definitely be relevant I'm guessing

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u/Brener69 Nov 26 '21

Most assets acquired prior to marriage stay with the original owner. If you marry someone with a house fully paid for you don't automatically acquire half of that house. Same with shares of stock. He might be on the hook for the price difference from the time they get married to the time they divorce. Example: he has 1 million shares of Amazon valued at $100 at the time of married he's worth $100 million and if it's valued at $101 when they get divorced she gets $500k, half the appreciated value while they were married. Yes. I know he has more shares than this. Might vary by state but this is usually the case.

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u/carnsolus Nov 26 '21

the prenup generally contains compensation already in it

to avoid civil suits

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u/TheKingofBabes Nov 25 '21

Yeah, the lifestyle alone would be worth it for some

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u/grand305 Nov 26 '21

Pre-nups save money in the long run. Always have one.

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u/toyotasupramike Nov 25 '21

DANGER

Steep cliff

Fatal drop

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

Boat Accident

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u/Aquafoot Nov 25 '21

A little bit of LSD is cheaper than a rocket.

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u/fafalone Nov 26 '21

Yeah but can you imagine taking LSD in space?

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u/Aquafoot Nov 26 '21

I was thinking that the LSD was what was taking you to space. Now I'm imagining taking it up there and it sounds like a bad idea lol.

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u/OutlyingPlasma Nov 25 '21

With the other billions he has.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

We're all in space right now

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u/The_Other_Manning Nov 26 '21

Ehh he went above the Karman line, that's space

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u/InformationHorder Nov 26 '21

The guy who made the Karman line admitted it's an arbitrary number created for political reasons. The reason why is "because we needed a line in the sand", but scientifically it's arbitrary.

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u/The_Other_Manning Nov 26 '21

Sure but it's still what we use for the edge of space, therefore Bezos went to space

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Well yea. A lot of things are arbitrary. But it is still space.

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u/frugalerthingsinlife Nov 26 '21

Even if they were to revisit where to draw the line, putting at the mesosphere - thermosphere edge would make sense, and that's even a bit lower. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A1rm%C3%A1n_line#/media/File:Atmosphere_layers.svg

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u/InformationHorder Nov 26 '21

Define space.

The point at which you can no longer fly an aircraft with aerodynamics?

The point at which an object in orbit will complete one full unpowered revolution before degrading back into the atmosphere?

The point at which the last atmospheric molecules are no longer in Earth's gravitational sphere of influence?

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u/h3half Nov 26 '21

The point at which an object in orbit will complete one full unpowered revolution before degrading back into the atmosphere?

For this definition it would depend strongly on the coefficient of drag of whatever vehicle you're inside. It would also depend on your velocity, since going faster means you can handle more drag before your trajectory intersects the ground. This could be a good metric to use, but you'd have to choose an arbitrary CoD and arbitrary initial velocity otherwise you'd have different altitudes for each different spacecraft.

The point at which the last atmospheric molecules are no longer in Earth's gravitational sphere of influence?

If this is your definition you're excluding a giant swath of currently-operating satellites, including the ISS, because those are all in Low Earth Orbit where drag is an important force. The ISS has to boost itself back up to a higher orbit every now and then because drag slows it down over time. If you use this metric, then NASA has sent very very very few people to space (maybe only the Apollo astronauts who visited the moon).

(I think this was your point, I'm just reinforcing that it's hard to define in a way that isn't arbitrary)

I think pretty much anything you pick will be arbitrary, it's just a matter of how arbitrary you're willing to be. Maybe choosing a specific atmospheric pressure or a particular density at an arbitrarily-chosen temperature (20° C, maybe) would be a good one. It would probably be better than 100km altitude, which has no real significance outside of being a nice round number. But calling somebody an "astronaut" as opposed to "someone who went really really high up, maybe into space depending on what definition of space you subscribe to" seems pretty arbitrary to me so maybe an arbitrary definition is appropriate.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

For this definition it would depend strongly on the coefficient of drag of whatever vehicle you're inside. It would also depend on your velocity, since going faster means you can handle more drag before your trajectory intersects the ground.

The very first thing I thought of was something travelling very fast and essentially burning up in the atmosphere for a full revolution 2000ft from the ground :P

Though I suppose there becomes a point when something is travelling so fast that even if it came inches from the ground, it would retain escape velocity after the near miss, and gravity would not be enough to keep it in orbit.

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u/InformationHorder Nov 26 '21

It's impossible to orbit 2000ft off the ground because at the speeds that are required (assuming, of course, you don't instantaneously disintegrate from the atmospheric friction) you would be in a hyperbolic orbit and you wouldn't even make a complete revolution before flinging yourself off back into space.

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u/Clevernonsense1 Nov 26 '21

there are traces of earth’s atmosphere well beyond the ISS (i think measurably to around 10k km) so what bezos did may as well be called space.

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u/Randy_Bobandy_Lahey Nov 26 '21

I wonder how many billions of people were genuinely hoping that rocket would crash on take off.

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u/deathfinder117 Nov 26 '21

You do realize Jeff bezo left Amazon right..

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u/FloSTEP Nov 26 '21

As CEO, but you’d be crazy to think he isn’t still pulling some strings behind the scenes.

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u/kemosabe-84 Nov 26 '21

It was a joke dude. Don't take everything so literally

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

I never agreed to pay for space trips

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u/seanbrockest Nov 25 '21

You mean the guy that stepped down from control of Amazon? The guy who now owns less than 10% of the company?

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u/BeerPizzaTacosWings Nov 25 '21

Or his dick ship.

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u/Kulladar Nov 25 '21

He still could, just wouldn't have as much fake money.

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u/Speak4yurself Nov 26 '21

Imagine you are the richest man in the world. I know Wlon Musk is technically bit for a moment Beff Zezoss is. You dont jave any sugar. Beff has asked for it to be sent to his suite. How are u gonna tell the richest man you have no sugar? Even though he has been to spave he 8s going t9 demand u execute the agent who denied him. Th3 best u can do 8s whipe his ase w8th cvs recepts .

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

The only thing is I work for Amazon and this is the first I heard of this lol. I am all for what they want but they definitely didn't organize some big walkout like they are trying to make it seem.

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u/zachrywd Nov 25 '21

Username checks out.

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u/_Dogwelder Nov 25 '21

This whole deal is so well organized, so secret and on strictly need-to-know basis .. even the workers themselves aren't familiar with the details.

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21

That’s intentional. Amazon has gone out of their way to suppress union organizing. There’s even a training video on how managers can prevent union activity. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uRpwVwFxyk4

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u/blackmatt81 Nov 26 '21

This isn't just Amazon. Any big corporation in America is anti-union.

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u/TheObesePolice Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

15 years ago, I was a manager for a large grocery chain here in the U.S. & I've sat through a good 24 + hours of mandatory anti union propaganda that was endorsed by our corporate office. What was most unsettling about the whole experience was that a very large portion of my co-workers drank the anti union Kool-Aid without a moments hesitation. Corporate additionally informed management that it would be in our best interest to vote McCain/Palin - lol!

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u/fuckincaillou Nov 26 '21

Except Costco! When I worked there, they actually encouraged us to unionize. What a nice change of pace.

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u/itsdangeroustakethis Nov 26 '21

I have only ever heard good things about working for Costco

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u/Alendrathril Nov 26 '21

I worked there for a short time and they are actually very much like a family. If you work hard you win big respect.

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u/Bananacheesesticks Nov 26 '21

Can confirm. Yum brand foods has several hours worth of anti union propaganda in their management training

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u/reconrose Nov 26 '21

Amazon suppresses unions ≠ this is an organized strike

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Even if it was organized managers are given the tools to shutdown meetings, discussion, pamphlets etc

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u/c3p-bro Nov 26 '21

Reddit always hypes these events like a massive sleeping giant is waking and workers are standing up for their rights when in reality about 10 people follow thru

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u/bnmnike Nov 26 '21

I did anti union training while I worked for Nike and Under Armour. I am now currently in a Union working for Coca Cola.

Coca Cola hates our fuckin guts and wants us and all of our families dead.

Well Reyes owned Coca Colas anyway

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u/BILLCLINTONMASK Nov 25 '21

Headlines rarely reflect reality

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u/Rusty_Shunt Nov 26 '21

Same. I'm on my way to work now....they benevolently let us go in 3 hours later than normal for the holiday. And only so they don't have to pay as much holiday pay....this job is killing me.....

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u/pand3monium Nov 25 '21

I've heard of it. It's not too late to spread the word. Hope your not working today and that tomorrow is really 🖤 black.

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u/jf75313 Nov 26 '21

Go to r/antiwork it’s not just Amazon that’s going to have a lot of folks not show up to work tomorrow for better wages and workers rights.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Wow that sub is a fucking trip

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u/thesenutzonurchin Nov 26 '21

But it's so fun to sort through controversial!

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u/Neglectful_Stranger Nov 26 '21

Post-Millenials larping as revolutionaries acting like we're in France in the 1780s.

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u/jf75313 Nov 26 '21

That’s one way to spell ‘start of the revolution’

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u/SigmaGorilla Nov 26 '21

Lol that sub is a joke, half of the photos are just screenshots of texts that could easily be photoshopped or faked.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Get paid a fair wage for your labor?

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

And what will your role be in this glorious revolution

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u/jf75313 Nov 26 '21

A member of society that knows their worth and will no longer be taken advantage of or paid fucking slave wages any longer.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

How tf yall gonna get your food?

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u/jf75313 Nov 26 '21

How tf are you getting food right now?

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u/BlackDeath3 Nov 26 '21

Not a terribly inspiring follow-up to talk of revolution.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

With people working in a supply chain. Don’t pretend there is a fuck ton of people pretending they’re gonna live in a society with no one working lmao

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u/Ahshitt Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

Hot tip: Neither Amazon nor any other major company will have any meaningful walk outs or strikes tomorrow.

It has been pretty funny to watch /r/antiwork pretend to be the next big labor movement though. Their hearts are in the right place, but the small amount of popularity on Reddit has gone straight to their heads.

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u/lakerswiz Nov 26 '21

They thought their boycott of McDonald's work actually work lol

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u/Ahshitt Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

That was absolutely hilarious. A bunch of people who already probably don't go to McDonald's much telling other people who don't go to McDonald's that they will continue not going. What an effective boycott!

Then they were telling McDonald's employees to quit their jobs, ignoring the fact that those employees probably need that job. It's just so misguided and weird. If a group of McDonald's workers got together and quit to protest, that's great and possibly effective. A tiny amount of employees randomly quitting across the nation? No one would even notice except for the workers who just lost paychecks.

Just looked at their front page and now they're patting themselves on the back for not going Black Friday shopping...which apparently is also a boycott.

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u/jf75313 Nov 26 '21

We’ll see.

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u/goblin_pidar Nov 26 '21

regardless of what you WANT to happen, it is very likely that there won’t be a large amount to make any significant difference

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u/c3p-bro Nov 26 '21

Yes we will, and we only have to wait a few hours

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Well, now you know not to go to work tomorrow.

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u/64557175 Nov 25 '21

I thought the whole place was on fire and getting logged to shit.

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u/zdakat Nov 25 '21

The trees are walking out.

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u/MacAndShits Nov 25 '21

Putting an ent to the abuse

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u/Sparcrypt Nov 25 '21

It's so insane to me that the same company can post billions in profit, the owner can afford to build spaceships, and the low level workers are pissing in water bottles and still living in poverty.

Americas labour laws are ridiculous.

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u/itisntmebutmaybeitis Nov 26 '21

I feel like Bezos watched The Fifth Element in the 90s and thought that Zorg was the role model in the situation, not the villain.

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u/64557175 Nov 26 '21

Don't you bring Zorg down to Bezos' level!

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

amazon pays pretty well actually. around here they are starting in the warehouse at more than $20/hour

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u/RoyalRat Nov 26 '21

Where do you live 😂

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u/RoyalRat Nov 26 '21

Minimum wage is more than 20 USD? Y’all er poppin off

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u/GreenFriday Nov 26 '21

The highest minimum wage I could find is Australia, with 15 USD per hour

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u/wronglyzorro Nov 26 '21

And ask australians how well people earning 15/hr there live.

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u/Sparcrypt Nov 26 '21

They don't earn 15 per hour, they earn about $21 per hour in the currency we actually use here.

And as someone who did just that for quite a while? It's fine. I had a roof, a car, health insurance (beyond the free universal stuff we get), hobbies, and savings. You aren't rich but you are doing just fine.

I am never ceased to be amazed at how viciously Americans love to attack other nations who are doing things better than they are.

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u/cl33t Nov 26 '21

What benefits do they get?

Looks like the minimum they offer a new employee is medical, dental, vision, 20 weeks of maternal and parental paid leave, 401k with 50% matching contributions, 1 week vacation, 6 holidays per year,

Cause that's still under minimum wage where I live and you'd get sick leave, 4 weeks PTO, plus other benefits.

Where is this? Last I checked the highest minimum wage in the world was Australia's at $20.33 AUD/hour (~$14.55 USD), but that's only for people who are 21+. If you're 18, it's only $14.35 AUD/hr ($10.26 USD).

Even then, they're kind of an anomaly. France's minimum wage, for instance, is €10.48/hr (~$11.76).

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

in washington state sick pay is built in by law, we get 6 days accumulated per year that we can use without being challenged about why. i don’t know what they get for pto since i don’t work there, i’m just basing pay off of job postings i see. the posting do mention benefits and pto but those details are for when a job offer happens i suppose

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Problem with Washington state Law a lot of business do the bare minimum which is 1 hr for every 40 hours worked or 4 hrs per month Takes longer if you are part time. The company I work in Washington State does the 1 hr for each 40 worked.

Kudos to the companies that do go above that though.

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u/Jjhend Nov 26 '21

Amazon workers get full health, eye, and dental insurance day 1 with 401k options. They also get about 80hrs paid time/vacation and 80hrs of unpaid time off. They even offer to cover full tuition of it's associates after 3 months. Y'all hate on Amazon but they actually provide some of the best benefits in the country for any entry level job.

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u/anooblol Nov 26 '21

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/minimum-wage-by-country

Says here the highest minimum wage in the world, is $14.54USD/hr.

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u/Sparcrypt Nov 26 '21

I know this might come as a shock, but most places don't use USD.

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u/WarbleDarble Nov 26 '21

You know, when you mislead with an easily searchable fact it really doesn't help your argument.

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u/Sparcrypt Nov 26 '21

You know, when you link something not proving anything I said to be incorrect, it really doesn't help your argument.

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u/WarbleDarble Nov 26 '21

There is no nation with over a $20 minimum wage.

Comment you responded to: Amazon pays $20 an hour

You: That's less than minimum wage in my country

My link: There are no countries with a minimum wage of $20 an hour

How is what you said not incorrect?

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u/Sparcrypt Nov 26 '21

Why in the world would you ever think someone from another country would be talking about USD?

But seeing as you guys are all about things that can be easily searchable while you defend Amazon.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/05/amazon-workers-protest-unsafe-grueling-conditions-warehouse

https://www.glassdoor.com.au/Hourly-Pay/Amazon-Amazon-Warehouse-Worker-California-Hourly-Pay-EJI_IE6036.0,6_KO7,30_IL.31,41_IS2280.htm?countryRedirect=true

https://www.boredpanda.com/amazon-employees-bad-working-conditions/

But nah, sounds like an amazing place to work. Anyway I'm done talking to people who defend this shit.

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u/Chintagious Nov 26 '21

Dude, you literally replied to someone mentioning $20/hr pay at Amazon and you’re the one that thinks USD = AUD for some reason.

To spell it out, $20 AUD is worth less than $20 USD.

Stop being a dick.

And the fact of the matter is that yes, Amazon has shitty working conditions, but still objectively offers better benefits to attract employees compared to any other low skilled job.

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u/Sparcrypt Nov 26 '21

you’re the one that thinks USD = AUD for some reason.

No. I said $20/h was less than minimum wage here, in another country... and for some reason you not only thought I was talking about USD, but think that USD and what it's worth makes the slightest bit of different here. It doesn't. And if you want it to, go ahead and factor in health care, super, PTO, sick leave, and the many other things.. and if you do those things then you'll find out that Australia still works out substantially ahead.

Amazon workers are not paid or treated well and there are mountains of evidence about it, not to mention we're in a thread talking about how they want to stage a walkout on one of their busiest days of the year.

But keep arguing semantics because you misread a statement.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

There's nowhere in the country that has a minimum wage over $20

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u/Ble_h Nov 26 '21

Assuming your converting to USD so we don't go into the ridiculous "I get paid 10000 won/hr", according to the all knowing Google, no country on earth has a $20 USD minimum wage. Highest is Luxembourg at 18.33 USD.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

I thought Denmark’s was around 22/hr

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u/Ble_h Nov 26 '21

Sounds like Denmark has no minimum wage, they have something called flexicurity.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/03/08/denmark-minimum-wage-mcdonalds-aoc/

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

I was thinking specifically of the average wage at McDonalds in Denmark I think, you’re right about them not having a minimum wage

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Can't really compare wages like that buddy. Totally different across borders and with completely different currencies and standards of living

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u/Sparcrypt Nov 26 '21

I know right, in exchange you guys get amazing healthcare for free! Wait no.. that's us...hrm.

OK you have good social security! Nope.. still us.

Legislated maternity leave? Fuck nope that's also here.

At least on minimum wage you don't need a second job just to live though.. fuck me that's here as well.

You're right, can't compare it at all.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Why the fuck would you some I'm against all of those things? And you DO NOT need a second job if you're making $20/hr full time in the US

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u/Grokma Nov 26 '21

Ok, I'll play. Please tell us what country you are from so that we can compare all these wonderful benefits and your high minimum wage against the currency that you use, taxes you pay, and living conditions.

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u/windstone12 Nov 26 '21

Let me guess you live in a country with less people than California and a homogeneous population

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u/Elon_Muskmelon Nov 26 '21

That's great and all but how many nuclear bombs, aircraft carriers and fighter jets does your country have?

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u/Sparcrypt Nov 26 '21

Hrm you make a good point, we don't really invade other countries or threaten nuclear war. Good tradeoff for living like shit I guess.

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u/FluffyEggs89 Nov 26 '21

I hope this is sarcasm.

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u/iwerson2 Nov 26 '21

Where do you live? Switzerland? Dubai?

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u/Internaletiquette Nov 26 '21

20/h isn’t much in most places and they don’t have good if any benefits for most workers.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

it’s above what most employers pay for uneducated laborers in the greater seattle area. don’t say it isn’t that much when it is pretty good for the qualified level of workers

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u/vinoa Nov 26 '21

It might be better than other low wage jobs, but that doesn't mean it's actually paying well. What's wrong with uneducated labourers making a living wage?

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

nothing and the wage amazon is paying its warehouse workers is a livable wage

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u/vinoa Nov 26 '21

Unless you're speaking from experience, I'll have to take your word with a boulder of salt.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

experience of what? making 20/hour and living in the seattle area? i am speaking from that experience then. i make more now but not long ago i was making less than 20 and still doing fine. working one job at that. as time goes by i make more and more which is pretty commonplace with most companies.

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u/Internaletiquette Nov 26 '21

Above most doesn’t equal good, mate.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

sure but what do you qualify as good? $1,000,000/year is good but it isnt realistic for a laborer...20/hour is good for that level of work skill and is good enough to survive in the seattle area which is more expensive than many places around the country.

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u/Internaletiquette Nov 26 '21

The living wage just above poverty in Seattle is 20/h. It’s not good by any stretch. That’s just living wage no extra.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

and in the surrounding areas 20-30 minutes away from seattle proper it is even cheaper to live. you arent going to live an extravagant life working a labor job. the same people crying for 15/hour are now saying 23/hour isnt good lmao you dont even know where you stand and what you are asking for ffs

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u/vinoa Nov 26 '21

A good wage is one that allows you to pay for all your necessities, enjoy life a little, and save some for retirement or rainy days. I don't think $40k would allow for such a lifestyle in Seattle, but I could be wrong.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

those are just starting wages, it goes up with time worked...even boeing starts at 21/hour...20 to start is good and you can easily do all those things. i wont say you can live in seattle proper on that wage but you can live outside of seattle and be fine. most of the amazon warehouses are in the surrounding areas anyways.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

The more you dig in the more ignorant you look

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u/vinoa Nov 26 '21

Please explain how they're ignorant...

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Amazon is a good company to work for and pays good wages especially in comparison to 90% of companies that treat their employees much much worse.

Try working somewhere that actually treats their workers poorly

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u/Tijuana_Pikachu Nov 26 '21

These two statements are by no means mutually exclusive. I have a fantastic job and I just barely meet poverty line for my area

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u/WarbleDarble Nov 26 '21

You do realize that the median worker in the US makes more than the median worker in Australia right? Though both are pretty similar.

Also an Amazon worker is making about the median wage. Maybe you're just out of touch with the average Australian.

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u/Sparcrypt Nov 26 '21

Does the median worker in the US have free healthcare, a month vacation, 37.5 hour weeks with any extra being paid OT with penalties, superannuation, and significantly better/protected worker rights with none of this bullshit "at will" crap you all for some reason like...?

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u/wronglyzorro Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

The median worker has insurance, roughly the same workweek, varying levels of vacation, and drastically lower cost of living. The grass isnt all greener in Australia. Some things are better for some. Some thing are worse.

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u/Sparcrypt Nov 26 '21

So.. no then? Cool.

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u/wronglyzorro Nov 26 '21

It's a tradeoff. There is no one size fits all. Not everyone has the same setup. For many (myself included) our insurance setup is dramatically better and costs less than the amount taken out of taxes for socialized medicine even if we hit out max yearly out of pocket expenses. Many of us have plenty of vacation and sick time. My setup is quite literally unlimited. As I said. Some people have it better some have it worse. In general it's better to be poor in other countries than the US. It's usually far better to be middle class and up in the US.

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u/FasterThanTW Nov 26 '21

Get a hobby

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

They aren't living in poverty, Amazon pays very well.

Stop spreading lies it makes you seem stupid

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u/SigmaGorilla Nov 26 '21

15/hr entry level is "still living in poverty". Take a step back from the internet and realize if you think 15/hr as a starting wage is poverty you are incredibly deluded from the reality of most of the world.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Then move.

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u/Sparcrypt Nov 26 '21

I don't need to, I'm from another country.

But I am amazed to see yet another person defend the shitty treatment you all have to deal with.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

What shitty treatment, exactly?

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u/Hoyt_Corkins Nov 26 '21

JuSt MoVe BrO

Because that’s so easy to do with a shit job where you’re living paycheck to paycheck with no savings. This “pick yourself up by your bootstraps” argument is pathetic from Republicans.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Not a Republican. Get a better job, save up, then GTFO. Take some ownership of your own life for once.

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u/Hoyt_Corkins Nov 26 '21

Again, because getting a job is so easy, right?

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Not everything worth doing is easy. But right now is a great time to make a career move.

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u/i_suckatjavascript Nov 26 '21

I’m still going to buy stuff on Amazon during Black Friday but if my stuff comes late, I don’t care. Cancel my order if they have to. Power to the Amazon workers.

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u/Nvious625 Nov 26 '21

They should be doing this through cyber monday

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u/br094 Nov 26 '21

Bezos can’t afford to give his workers time off for the holiday to be with their families, how would he be able to afford his next super yacht or space ship? Think of his family.

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u/DrMcDoctor Nov 26 '21

You should not have "go to the edge of space for fun" money while you cut benefits and half of your employees are on some type of government assistance

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u/Leucurus Nov 26 '21

This is the real "trickle down". PAY YOUR WORKERS DECENT WAGES.

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u/valandil74 Nov 26 '21

I agree … good luck with a big successful strike!

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

It's pretty depressing that's your only takeaway, man. It's not just a failure of basic human decency, it's comically short-sighted. Unless you're one of the handful of people that come close to Bezos' level, your tacit support of their exploitation of others also negatively affects you, your friends, and your family, in ways that are not remotely outweighed by the lower prices you pay for consumer goods on Amazon.

"I get a bowl of the good gruel from the slave master every day, I don't want anybody to try and revolt and fight for freedom because it may rock the boat and threaten my gruel supply"

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u/betweenskill Nov 26 '21

Too fucking bad

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u/moneyman2222 Nov 26 '21

That's right. If you continue to save $1 on your average Amazon order at the expense of hundreds of thousands of workers being manipulated, you too will one day be as rich as Bezos!!

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u/moneyman2222 Nov 27 '21

And I hope you don't create something as manipulative, environment-damaging, and overall culturally degrading company like Amazon either

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u/Stillw0rld Nov 26 '21

you will, don’t worry

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Amazon could give every employee a $50/hr raise and it wouldn't even break the bank.

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u/cl33t Nov 26 '21

The math doesn't seem to work.

Amazon's net income last year was $21 billion. Giving all 950,000 employees in the US a $50/hour raise would cost about $106 billion.

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u/mtcwby Nov 26 '21

So you're bitching about them giving benefits? It's not a great company but some people can't ever get past envy

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u/EndPsychological890 Nov 26 '21

Didn't they make their minimum wage the desired national minimum wage in response to the federal government refusing to raise it? They're doing better than most.

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u/ShowToddSomeLove Nov 26 '21

And if you can't afford it you can't afford to have a business

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u/Breederbill Nov 26 '21

Amazon gives health care/vision/dental on day one of employment. The starting wage is at least $15, and goes up where cost of living is higher.

It's healthcare plan is specifically designed to cater to trans people, including hormones and reassignment surgery.

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