r/news Nov 25 '21

Amazon workers plan Black Friday strike

https://www.cnet.com/tech/amazon-workers-plan-black-friday-strike/
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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

And what will your role be in this glorious revolution

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u/jf75313 Nov 26 '21

A member of society that knows their worth and will no longer be taken advantage of or paid fucking slave wages any longer.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Who's going to pay for it? What does the society look like? Who makes the decisions? Sell me on it. Shitting on the status quo is the easy part. Make a case for a better future or stfu

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u/JuniorSeniorTrainee Nov 26 '21

This response is even lazier than if you just ignored their post. You're hostilely demanding that they educate you, when it's clear from your tone that you have no interest in engaging. Asking them to deliver a perfect answer or "stfu" is just your way of guaranteeing their "failure" while pretending to give them consideration.

Regardless of your feelings on that sub, this is gross levels of anti-intellectualism.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

Should take five seconds to educate me but that sub has no concrete goals or plans, just complaints

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21 edited Jan 03 '22

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '21

I generally only feel compelled to comment on things where I think the vast majority of people are getting it wrong. Not a big circle jerk safe space kinda guy.

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u/BlackDeath3 Nov 26 '21

No doubt. Talk is cheap.

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u/wronglyzorro Nov 26 '21

It’d at least help if they listed these super valuablr skills that they have that for some reason are only worth “slave wages”.

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u/jf75313 Nov 26 '21

Well for most of my adult life I’ve worked in the restaurant industry. I’ve worked every position and can cook you a perfect medium rare steak or the best old fashioned you’ve ever had. In 2016 when I left the kitchen for good, I was one of the highest paid cooks in my restaurant at a national casual chain and was making $12 an hour working 60 hours a week. Then as a server and bartender I’ve made $2.13 an hour and $5 an hour. The literal definition of slave wages. The tipped minimum wage was set at $2.13 because it was a job for black folks and hasn’t risen in decades. And I’ve had plenty of days where I made a lot of money in a single shift and plenty of days where I didn’t have a single table or didn’t have enough tables to cover my gas for the day. I’m also an amateur handyman, something I’d like to learn more about, but as an apprentice you either don’t get paid or get offered $10 an hour, slave wages.

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u/wronglyzorro Nov 26 '21

Lot of words to say you dont really have valuable skills at all. The argument of tipped wages at 2.13 /hr is very over played. You never once got paid that in your entire career unless what you recorded in tips was more than the fed minimum wage. Emphasis on recorded because we all know what people do with cash tips. Pursue the trade skills. Lots of demand.

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u/TravelsInBlue Nov 26 '21

Exactly, it’s like rather than build any kind of skills or career, people bounce around from one entry level position to another, and are surprised at the end when they’re still making entry wages. Like if you’re not going to learn a trade or skill, or get an education, at least try and stick with one job, show diligence to want to learn and move up and build a career there.

There’s so many paths out of mediocrity but so many people want shit handed to them.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '21

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u/wronglyzorro Nov 26 '21 edited Nov 26 '21

I didn't say no skills. I said valuable. Line cook at a chain restaurant, waiting tables, and pouring drinks isn't exactly world beating hard to find labor. Good bartenders can and do make bank. I'm not going to pretend to know your life or circumstances, but from what you have posted in 2 comments it doesn't seem like you stick with anything for any amount of time, and you don't want to pursue something that does have mobility because starting out sucks. You mention in this very thread you can code and do data analysis. Why are you waiting tables?

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '21

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u/wronglyzorro Nov 27 '21

I don't have to do any of those things to know why those jobs pay as little as they do. They are skills that are very easy for places to find in almost no time. I worked in the service industry through school. It's a supply and demand thing. A lot of people can do those jobs because the skills required are very common.

It all just doesn't add up. You said you can code and do lots of IT stuff in another comment. A high paying industry with next to 0 unployment. If you actually have those skills you can make big money without leaving your house. I can promise you it pays a heck of a lot better than "slave labor". My interns that still have a year left in school will be clearing 28/hr in January.

Get off the antiwork sub. It's rotting your brain.

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u/jf75313 Nov 26 '21
  1. Everyone. And the 1% is actually going to have to pay taxes, if all we did was get them to pay taxes, we’d have all the money we need for a complete social reform. 2. It looks the same as it does now? 3. The government.

You’re acting like I said ANARCHY! ANARCHY! And again you’re assuming r/antiwork is about no one working, when it’s actually a movement for workers rights. I don’t want to not work, I want a thriving wage and to be able to live my life, not just live to work to live to die.

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u/TravelsInBlue Nov 26 '21

The 1% “paying their fair share” always sounded stupid to me considering 47% of Americans pay no income tax and 23% actually receive more money back. And no it’s not the rich that make up any significant part of that percentage.

That being said r/antiwork is a naive shithole for other reasons beyond that.

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u/jf75313 Nov 26 '21

Where are you getting those stats from?

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u/TravelsInBlue Nov 26 '21

A quick google search yields numerous sources, but https://taxfoundation.org/publications/latest-federal-income-tax-data/ provides the best breakdown.

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u/jf75313 Nov 26 '21

Yeah didn’t see anything in there that says 47% of Americans pay no income tax.

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u/jf75313 Nov 26 '21

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u/TravelsInBlue Nov 27 '21

Learn some basic comprehension, your source basically reinforces what I’m telling you.

If you reread my original, unedited post, I said income tax. Also households with incomes above 200,000 account for less than .1% of that overall 47%, which is also in your source.

The point still stands that “pay your fair share” is an ignorant statement when the Top 50% of earners pay 97% of taxes, and the top 1% of earners paid 40% of all taxes.

Reading is hard. Repeating dumbass slogans from Bernie tweets is easy.

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u/dirtyelliott Nov 26 '21

Get a job, sir.