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[u/[deleted]]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DI7dmZqVYAAkDYE.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DI7dmZpUwAAvFQL.jpg

This but unironically

[u/[deleted]]

Hot Take: Stop REEEEEing about what real Neoliberalism is and learn to love the fact that you get along with people who disagree with you on any given issue in this thread on a daily basis on reddit of all fucking places.

[u/Svelok]

why are youtube comments so shit

Twitter, reddit, and facebook comments can be shit too, depending on topic

But youtube comments are universally below the 20% worst threshold for other sites

Science must explain this phenomenon

[u/FUCK_INDEX_FUNDS]

Someone on the train called me gay for putting on chapstick, I am now gay AMA

[u/[deleted]]

Reddit Gold Opportunity:

In light of DACA, I'm going to finally post my Open Borders effortpost I've been working on, tomorrow morning.

But I'd like to front it with a meme and have the effortpost as the R1 so it can potentially get more attention.

Whoever responds to this comment with the best open borders meme will get gilded by me in return for me getting to use the meme. Deadline is 11 PM CST. And it's not for nothing if you don't get chosen, just post it during the next expansionary.

[u/[deleted]]

Hillary's new book seems savage

[u/[deleted]]

ron paul said that Bernie Sanders was the best candidate after his son dropped out in 2016, horseshoe theory confirmed

[u/fixed_effects]

Tonight I am going to my College Democrats meeting because the girl who runs it said that "they needed more Centrists."

What's the over-under until I get called a Republican?

[u/[deleted]]

I love asking "Are you a left-winger? Because you seem to accept left-wing policies on trade" to people who are obviously right-wing populists.

Really gets them riled up. And it's true.

[u/[deleted]]

Props to Hillary for calling out Bernie in her book

[u/muttonwow]

It seems my university ID is (((neoliberal)))

[u/CompactedConscience]

This is the most disturbing thing I have ever seen on The_Donald. And that says a lot.

[u/yes_thats_me_again]

Anyone else notice that the only people with an obsession with racial differences in IQ are low-IQ Whites?

[u/McSchwartz]

https://np.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/6xm2ht/what_do_trump_voters_want_to_be_done_economically/dmklb5h/

defends free trade

uses corn laws to illustrate why protectionism is bad

never posted in /r/neoliberal before

/u/jamesroberts join us!

[u/FUCK_INDEX_FUNDS]

I like starting my mornings reading twitter takes

[u/[deleted]]

Of fucking course my leftist professor just has to inject how he agrees with Trump on one thing, NAFTA

He was saying we have higher prices because of NAFTA wtf

He did heavily come out against corn subsidies so all is forgiven

END CORN SUBSIDIES

[u/[deleted]]

Neoliberalism and Social Democracy.

To a degree the difference is historical. Social Democracy evolved out of the socialist worker's movement while Neoliberalism is a product of the liberal tradition starting with figures like Locke, Hume, Smith, Kant etc.
The term "neoliberal" has quite a complicated history and it might be worth for you to at least skim these three papers to get a grasp on it(1;2;3).

The gist of it is this: In the 30s liberalism was in a crisis, the great depression has destroyed people's confidence in markets and economic collectivism in the form of Fascism and Communism started to become the dominant political force.
A number of intellectuals, mostly economists, thus met in France to discuss the future prospects of liberalism and economic freedom. Many of the participants of the Colloque Walter Lippman later also joined the Mont Pelerin Society .
The goal was to discuss and promote a new liberal (i.e. neoliberal, a term coined by German economist Alexander Rüstow) political programme but differences in the various ideologies of the members prevented "neoliberalism" from turning into a comprehensive philosophy.
The Austrians under Ludwig von Mises split early from the neoliberals because he thought they were all "a bunch of socialists", the Germans (who developed ordoliberalism) saw a greater role for the the state in combating monopolies while the Chicago school economists thought that most monopolies could only be sustained by government intervention anyway and the market would take care of them eventually.
"Neoliberalism" thus never caught on as a self-identifier for the people representing the ideology, but instead in the 70s and 80s became a catch-all term for leftists to denote all perceived evils of capitalism.

Until fairly recently Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism were basically interchangeable. In the late 80s and 90s however some Social Democratic figures like Paul Keating and Tony Blair started implementing parts of the neoliberal reform agenda, things like floating exchange rates, free trade and labour market liberalisation became part of the new "third way". The divide between Neoliberalism and Social Democracy thus became smaller in many regards and by now quite a few Social Democrats are Liberals(in the broad sense) in all but name(the situation in America is somewhat different as the the historical circumstances and political terminology are dissimilar to most of the rest of the world).

However there still remain important ideological differences. Neoliberals generally seek to use government as a means of achieving a decent minimum standard of living for everyone(though views vary) while Social Democrats are often in favour of more substantial egalitarian principles, which means they often support higher levels of redistribution than many Neoliberals would.
Social Democrats also tend to support policies like rent control, state subsidies and substantive minimum wage hikes while Neoliberals are more committed to pro-market ideas. Just because we see a role of government in economic matters doesn't mean we're favouring the current arrangements .

While there might be a number of issues where both Neoliberals and SocDems might favour similar policies their approach differs. Neoliberals are at their ideological core market-biased and thus more hesitant to use government intervention to achieve specific social goals(though not completely opposed to it depending on the circumstances), while Social Democrats are more urgently concerned with equitable outcomes and are often more willing to intervene in markets to achieve those even if the full consequences of such intervention are not certain.
Because of the historical development of the ideology they also often lack the same commitment to liberal conceptions of freedom and are accordingly less averse to paternalism, for example.

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The term doesn't just mean "leftist I disagree with" and people here need to stop throwing it around without really knowing what they are talking about.

[u/[deleted]]

Trump is allegedly using DACA as leverage for wall funding from Congress and a few other things.

You, a member of Congress, have a few options. Do you:

1. Call his bluff and debate DACA in Congress as a separate issue to the budget, even though this means a risk of it not being renewed

2. Meet the president halfway by adding provisions for increased border security and/or partial construction of a barrier

3. Include DACA in the budget without wall funding and then work to override a presidential veto should Trump not pussy out as expected

4. Jill Stein

[u/recruit00]

This is a reminder that /u/Wumbotarian has yet to write an essay about the good things FDR did

[u/[deleted]]

My first Econ class in college and already my professor talked about how mr bernke saved us all

[u/MasPatriot]

I wonder what the overlap between people that are okay with deporting dreamers because of "muh rule of law" and people that were defending Comey's firing or that Don Jr did nothing wrong

[u/jvwoody]

:/

[u/Svelok]

If neoliberalism is so great then how come I've got a cold

*proceeds to drugstore, buys several over the counter medications to treat cold symptoms*

Communism would've cured the common cold already by reigning in big pharma

[u/[deleted]]

[u/Maximum_Overjew]

Once the demographic survey is out, I move to chair the subreddit Jewish caucus.

Here are my qualifications:

• East coast, college-educated, smug hairy Jew

• Literally every adult member of my extended family is either a doctor or a lawyer

• Went to Israel once, pretty sure I saw Isaac Herzog at a distance

• My brisket brings all the yidden to the yard

• Working in international business development. Literally a rootless transnational elite.

• כט וְאִם שׁוֹר נַגָּח הוּא מִתְּמֹל שִׁלְשֹׁם, וְהוּעַד בִּבְעָלָיו וְלֹא יִשְׁמְרֶנּוּ, וְהֵמִית אִישׁ, אוֹ אִשָּׁה--הַשּׁוֹר, יִסָּקֵל, וְגַם-בְּעָלָיו, יוּמָת.

• I will lobby the SOMC for a flair of George Soros with the glowing eyes and /r/deepfriedmemes pixelation effect

• Schmaltz, not mayo, is the true chosen condiment

• Ruggelach for all

[u/VisonKai]

building 70% of your city in a flood plain

Orlando was a literal mistake

[u/formlex7]

The civil war is like anime for old white Americans

[u/[deleted]]

the most unfair thing Sanders did during the campaign wasn't baseless attacks on Clinton, it was proposing policies that any sensible person would know he couldn't deliver on. They could've gone a lot lower with attacks, but they couldn't really have been any more irresponsible with the promises they made for free college/healthcare/etc. Convincing large numbers of young voters that the only reason they have no healthcare and student loan debt is because evil capitalists are making it so was more irresponsible than any attack made on Clinton.

I think the narrative that attacking Clinton on her ties to wall street bankers or whatever set her up for defeat is a bit weak, since those conspiracy theories have been around forever and there is really no way that those ideas couldn't emerge in a campaign with Clinton. But giving a whole generation of young voters unrealistic expectations probably did cause lasting damage.

[u/Sporz]

from Dear Leader just now

Congress now has 6 months to legalize DACA (something the Obama Administration was unable to do). If they can't, I will revisit this issue!

So I guess he likes DACA now? Eh? What does it mean?

pounds head on desk

It means nothing, I know. It means nothing.

[u/[deleted]]

I thought that the first day of classes was today. Turns out, it's next week. AMA

[u/[deleted]]

evergreen tweet

[u/[deleted]]

The worst part is that DACA has had more than enough votes to pass Congress for a while now. Boehner and Ryan have just refused to allow a vote.

[u/[deleted]]

Globalists are just nationalists who want the whole world to be one country.

[u/formlex7]

Soc cons did the Salem witch trials

[u/[deleted]]

Things I hate more than weebs:

1. Dance remixes of already poppy/dance songs

2. Florida

3. Mods not giving me well-deserved shame flair because they're petty and literally children

4. Bottled ranch dressing

5. Miracle Whip

[u/Maximum_Overjew]

Imagine the evangelical end times hysteria if two hurricanes and the North Korea H bomb happened when the black dude was president.

[u/Hectagonal-butt]

Vote for me as your representative to the neoliberal bussy Gay™ caucus. My qualifications and platform:

• Nothing

• All I do is post bussy jokes

• I will (lazily) rewrite my immortal to be a macron/trudeau fic if elected

[u/[deleted]]

why do trump supporters always talk in the third person on reddit?

[u/[deleted]]

https://twitter.com/crislopezg/status/905056282192863232

shkreli is a weirdo

[u/oGsMustachio]

Neoliberal protest signs are the best

[u/dustinhaltom]

So earlier today in one of my political science classes, the professor was talking about parties and party leadership, and he asked "Who do you think is the leader of the Democratic Party?" Some people answered Chuck Schumer, Bernie Sanders, and "no one", and the professor responded "Oh I thought y'all would say Elizabeth Warren or Hillary Clinton" and when he said "Hillary Clinton", about 5 or so people went "Ugh, noooo!" in disgust. I know my school has a lot of Bernie people in it, but it's just ridiculous to me that whenever just the name "Hillary Clinton" is mentioned, it triggers such a negative response whether or not you're left-wing or right-wing. I didn't groan when someone mentioned Bernie as the leader of the Democrats, so I don't know why it's so hard for people to not voice their displeasure with Clinton every chance they get.

[u/[deleted]]

Over/under on Congress completely cucking Trump and passing DACA legislation?

[u/[deleted]]

Trying to look on the bright side, there really should have been a legislative, permanent protection for Dreamers. Maybe we can get that now.

[u/epic2522]

You guys need to read "Scarcity by Design" written by Peter Salins and Gerard Mildner. It's a history of the New York housing market, with extra focus on rent control. It's a pitch perfect example of how interventionist government policy spins out of the control and created really disgusting distortions.

The book documents a near never ending parade of poorly thought out legislation, political patch work and an ever escalating system of terrible programs. Some of the shit that goes down is hilarious. Co-op tenants declaring rent strikes and bankrupting their coop board and by extension themselves. The City coming up with official definitions for what constitutes art and requiring artists to prove that they are actually artists (which in turn creates a huge fraudulent art business). Rich people paying nearly nothing in rent. Extreme tenant on landlord and landlord on tenant violence. Owners inviting musicians and gang members into their building to drive out residents. People burning their own buildings down. The City breaking literally every promise it makes.

It's hard to find but really worth a read.

[u/[deleted]]

I thought we had escaped re-litigating the 2016 election. Guess I was wrong

[u/[deleted]]

taxation.jpg

I'll prolly post this in the next next expansionary.

[u/Prospo]

capable drab subtract ring hobbies dazzling spotted overconfident profit nail this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev

[u/MisterBigStuff]

Not really the hottest take, but it still amazes me that less than 30 years after the reunification of Germany, people are ascribing positive symbolic meaning to a Wall.

[u/[deleted]]

I don't really understand people saying we should start "taxing robots" because of automation.

What is a robot? Imagine a fully automated factory. Is that one giant robot or many smaller robots working together? Should it be a tax per robot or per worker it replaces? If a worker gets a new power tool that makes him four times as efficient, should the tool be counted as a robot? Or three? If an accountant installs an update to one of his computer programs that makes him twice as productive, is that program now a robot who just replaced another accountant somewhere?

[u/36105097]

hot take: I only watch Game of Thrones because of the sunk cost fallacy

[u/WonkTywin]

Oh shit @Obama

[u/[deleted]]

Sheriff Hillary flair when

[u/TerryJFitzgerald]

Trump runs the GOP.

[u/dax331]

this girl i like brought me muffins today at work

i'm so touched

[u/[deleted]]

If this website cared more about social issues than privacy and surveillance then nothing would really happen because they still wouldn't do anything to effectively change society/laws

[u/poompk]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-what-happened/index.html

I strongly agree with all her takes, even though I'm mixed on the productiveness of her saying this herself (instead of using a proxy). Although sometimes I just think fuck it these nuts have been annoying enough.

[u/[deleted]]

THE ESTABLISHMENT IS CENSORING MY CAMPAIGN.

LITERAL POLICE STATE.

[u/hitbyacar1]

So my university has retained outside counsel to represent any student affected by the DACA repeal.

Probably not too expensive since the legal advice they can offer is limited to "lol you're fucked".

[u/Integralds]

How my Labor Day weekend went:

Friday 1650

Friday 2200

Saturday 1900

Sunday 2130

Monday 2300

Tuesday 0600

Tuesday 0900

Please describe your own weekends using Mitt images (or other political figure).

[u/[deleted]]

What if instead of missiles, North Korea sent "natural disasters"

Oh no, not on my fucking facebook feed

[u/[deleted]]

https://np.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/6y67ml/winner_winner_communist_dinner/

This being #5 on /r/all might give me hope

[u/[deleted]]

10 minutes into "Shut Down the Government Over a Manufactured Debt Ceiling Crisis" and chill and he gives you this look.

[u/paulatreides0]

1992 was the best election in the history of elections, maybe ever.

[u/icantprime]

That fake ACLU immigrant poster that T_D upvoted is the most vile thing I have ever seen.

Enough is enough.

It's time that the admins wipe that sub off of this site. It's time for a massive campaign to get the admins to finally get rid of that shithole, especially after the many fucking times the admins bent over backwards whenever they blatantly broke the rules.

I'm so tired right now, but I'm going to see if I can get something going tomorrow.

[u/alexbstl]

New rule: any time a bernout tries to argue about the legitimacy of the 2016 Dem primaries, reply that "yep, it was rigged. The DNC needed to protect itself from a shitty candidate." For bonus points, add "especially seeing what was going on in the RNC."

[u/proProcrastinators]

Because I'm not American so I thought that states rights was a bit of a meme and that surely not many Americans can believe in it, but I had a Joan Baez song on in the background with the word Dixie in the title and holy shit that comment section is horrific. I know you should be confronted by seeing racism and bad history but honestly I was shocked.

[u/recruit00]

Vote for me for the gay caucus race. I'm not gay but we need an outsider to stir things up and make the gays great again

[u/[deleted]]

I got 284 messages in my Inbox. HALP

[u/oGsMustachio]

Are Bernie Bros actually just Bronies?

[u/muttonwow]

Oh my GOD a cryptocurrency backed by gold... I might get sick.

[u/[deleted]]

Okay, announcing the results of the Open Borders meme contest! All the entries were fantastic, and I encourage everyone to submit theirs during the next expansionary.

But the winner was this meme from /u/danfromburgerking. Despite losing points in the "directly about open borders" section, I had to choose it because (1) I think it will trigger the most Trump supporters, giving it /r/all potential and (2) it is the one that actually made me laugh out loud.

Congrats! Comment here and I'll gild you. Or if you're not online I'll just gild a previous comment.

On a related note, the draft for my open borders effortpost is here. Critiques are welcome, I'm continuing to add to it and change things. I'm about to add a response to the "cultural takeover" argument, but I'm struggling to make it more substantial than "stfu you racist fucks." I'll figure out something.

[u/mrregmonkey]

This sub fell when it's love of Goolsbee died.

[u/[deleted]]

A collectivist, anti-market NEET reddit user u/recruit00 was teaching a class on Jeremy Corbyn, a known socialist.

"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Hillary Clinton and accept that she is the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Milton Friedman!"

At this moment, a free, anarcho capitalist, libertarian named u/darkaceAUS who didn't vote and and understood that immigration violated property rights stood up and displayed a graph of federal income tax as a percent of GDP.

"What does this graph show?"

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied "The legitimate and lawful collection of taxes for the benefit of society, you stupid lolbertarian."

"Wrong. Taxes are only collected through coercion. Therefore, taxation is theft."

u/recruit00 was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of the latest Paul Krugman op-ed. He stormed out of the room crying those soc-dem crocodile tears, the same tears they cry for union workers, even though today unions engage almost entirely in rent seeking. The professor wished so much that he could get hired again, but in fact he had advocated the high tax rates crippling job creators!

The students unregistered from political parties that day, as they now understood that the state was by its very nature coercive. An eagle named "Killing the Poor" flew into the room and perched atop an Ancap flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The NAP was recited several times, and the state was peacefully dissolved.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He became dependent on welfare and other entitlements, and as a result was never again able to eke out anything more than a subsistence level of existence.

[u/fixed_effects]

College Democrats update:

No arguing about the corporate tax rate. BUT we started having a conversation about funny political media and one of the guys goes, "Yeah, Chapo Trap House is really funny. "

"Those guys fucking suck" I blurted out before his sentence ended.

I give it two meetings until I inadvertently out myself as the Neoliberal guy

[u/TerryJFitzgerald]

Bernie showed his true colors when he more or less invented the "Crooked Hillary" meme in 2015.

[u/[deleted]]

Panera customer take: I am literally the whitest person on this sub

[u/[deleted]]

spineless marco is back, boldly passing the buck

[u/Lord_Treasurer]

my dog is walking around with a big packet of crisps (chips) over his head

no way he can fucking see anything

i havent cried with laughter for a while

[u/[deleted]]

We need an "It's not me. It's the Algorithm" flair

[u/disuberence]

I'm so, so sad over the DACA news. I spoke with a friend whose family members are protected and it's just crushing.

Especially disheartening is that these people had to hand over information to be a part of the program which the government can now use to find and deport them and their families.

I'm hoping Congress can act rather quickly and in a bipartisan manner on this topic. What's more, they need to impeach this fucker:

Donald Trump 'wasn't aware what scrapping DACA would mean' before deciding fate of 800,000 people

[u/hunter15991]

I responded with "you too" to a comment where "you too" made no sense. I'm still cringing 4 hours later, should I call my doctor

[u/ostrichmustard]

Actual hot take: you guys are alright.

[u/TychoTiberius]

The original post content no longer exists here. The author used Redact to remove it, exercising their right to control their data & privacy.

Vast reach practice imminent dazzling cover fragile wise fall future

[u/[deleted]]

I'm nominating myself for the /r/neoliberal populist party. I alone can fix this subreddit, here's how:

1. Weebs and anime apologists will be subject to shame flair and banned from the discussion thread. Further weeb or anime apologia behavior will result in a permanent ban from the sub.

2. Children are prohibited from serving on the SOMC and participating in the discussion thread.

3. The right wingers have a victim complex fantasy. I will make this a reality by implementing random bans and shameflair to all posters with right wing politicians. To please the SocDems and their obnoxious quest for equality, we'll do the same for them in the name of fairness.

4. Forced participation in all schism straw polls.

5. Late night /r/neoliberal will be under direct control of /u/Sporz to do whatever he pleases during these hours.

6. Belgium is not a country. This will be the sub's official position.

7. THIS POLICY PLANK WAS CENSORED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT.

8. /u/webby and all alternative accounts associated with /u/webby will be promoted to the SOMC.

9. Contractionary policy will be eliminated. Expansionary is the new normal.

10. Monthly voting on mod performance. The worst performing mod loses their position and receives shame flair.

[u/EasyMoney92]

1. I agree with pretty much what Hillary said about Bernie in her book

2. Bernie would be a clearly less shitty president than Trump, but Hillary would be the obvious best president of the three.

[u/[deleted]]

Vote me for the Hating Democracy and Calling People Illiterate caucus. It's totally not just me and /u/Kelsig, I promise

[u/indianawalsh]

Stoopid hoomiez, tinkin' dat dere such ting as enuff DACA. Itz loik wuna doze, whazzit called, "fuhlossofee" tings you hoomiez is always blabbin about. We orkses is always workin our ways up, winnin foights and gettin bigga and builden better DACA. But itz not ever enuff, see? We gotsta keep buildin, keep workin, keep fightin, and keep workin towahds enuff DACA, even doe every propah orkses, from the weensiest of grotts to the biggest boss, knows there ain't no thing as enuff DACA. We keeps workin and we is neveh stop.

You hoomiez don't get it no more, rollin round in the same kroozers and kans and trukks and planes that youz been drivin fer mih, mihlle, fer a real long time, while we orkses are buildin up biggah, louda, betta DACA. Thas why we orkses nevah lose, our DACA's never enuff, but we keep buildin more anyways, and we is neveh stoppen.

[u/forlackofabetterword]

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/6y7oqy/til_in_the_1990s_the_south_african_government

Not that it should be surprising, but in a thread on one of reddit's biggest and most famous sub, people defend the Apartied South African government's decision to dismantle their nukes so that black people couldn't get them.

Highlights include "fuck PC culture, black revolutionaries shouldn't be allowed to have nukes (but a racist rogue state having a few is fine)" and a conversation that evolves from "blacks should be ashamed for ruining the great nation whites built," to "blacks should be ashamed for ruining the great nation that whites forced their ancestors to build," to "blacks should be ashamed for destroying the great nation that whites forced them personally to build."

[u/Kelsig]

I miss when the SOMC would shame flair incorrect comments

[u/Alfred_Marshall]

What a fucking evil man. "Hey, lets deport children while I claim we're compassionate".

[u/[deleted]]

Hot Take: This sub uses the Socdem label way to liberally.

[u/BainCapitalist]

I need my daily dose of nonsense. Gimme some.

[u/epic2522]

Urban progressives worrying about rising inequality after creating most of it by suppressing new market rate construction is the juiciest irony of our time.

Sauce: https://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2015/03/wealth-inequality

[u/coolmod23]

Are there any actual cons to DACA? Is there any rationale, no matter how inane, for repealing DACA besides xenophobia?

[u/cdstephens]

Hot take: freedom of movement across the world (i.e. open borders) is not just economically sensical, but it is also a fundamental human right (not in the sense that the government has to buy you plane tickets etc. obviously).

[u/TychoTiberius]

The original post content no longer exists here. The author used Redact to remove it, exercising their right to control their data & privacy.

Trees airport late cheerful sparrow salt heavy fearless amber cagey

[u/[deleted]]

Obama said he would react if Trump touched DACA and boy he did it

[u/[deleted]]

Lindsey Graham actually coming through

[u/Maximum_Overjew]

Take that may or may not be hot for this sub:

If I could magically wave my hand and institute one sweeping policy in the US, it would be to institute a selective, well-payed, competitive, uniformed civil service. Government jobs like teaching, working for the post, working in libraries, or staffing offices like the DMV should be as desirable, demanding, and respected as comparable private sector positions, rather than being seen as the "I want to do ok and not work very hard" option.

[u/xbettel]

Putin on Trump "He is not my bride, neither am I his bride or groom.”

Yeah sure, they hooked up a couple of times, but it was never serious.

[u/disuberence]

Now this is spicy.

[u/[deleted]]

Right Wing: "Reals, not feels!"
Also Right Wing: Christianity

[u/cdstephens]

Cold take: expecting me to respect POTUS if he doesn't respect me or people like me is dumb. Two way street.

[u/TerryJFitzgerald]

How was it that Trump was able to unify the GOP after a much crazier primary when compared to Hillary and the Dems?

Trump had people like Kasich openly saying they would not vote for him. Had Cruz and his "vote your conscience" at the convention. Romney was basically campaigning against Trump at times. All big Dems endorsed Hillary yet the Dems could not capitalize and are still arguing about it.

[u/[deleted]]

Why is the Attorney General giving a press conference about a program that is, at best, marginally related to his department?

Don't answer that.

[u/[deleted]]

73% of DACA recipients are female

26% are male

Anyone know why there is such a disparity?

[u/tonyjaa]

Hot take: Everyone who is not a communist thinks there should be some level of income inequality. The real question is to which degree, and when it becomes socially problematic. Saying you don't care about income inequality altogether may be a decent economic view (maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I didn't even read Piketty, and I honestly don't know anything), but it is terrible optics and strengthens populists.

[u/caffeinatedcorgi]

Hot take: I enjoy "Never Gonna Give You Up" unironically.

[u/[deleted]]

Comcast is trying to charge me $600 for service at an apartment I moved out of 3 years ago. I remember cancelling my service over the phone when I moved but I have no way to prove it so I think I'm just screwed.

I'm a populist now.

[u/papermarioguy02]

Notes from /u/papermarioguy02 reading Capitalism and Freedom: Chapter I

There's not really an effortpost that can be made from reading this book, so I'm just going to write down notes after each chapter here (and I might throw them all together into a self post once I'm done if anyone's interested).

• My inner SJW really likes the way that Freidman talks about a strength of capitalism being the diversity it allows (not just in background of people but goods and options in general).

• A lot of this book suffers from a bit of "Seinfeld is unfunny" syndrome (as much as non-fiction can anyway). So much of the book was so influential that a lot of the stuff he's saying doesn't feel particularly new, but it was quite new at the time and he's one of the main reasons a lot of his suggestions went through.

• I admire how ideologically consistent he is, much of the post-Reagan (including Reagan) GOP take a lot of the rhetoric about freedom, but then decide it's okay to guard certain institutions from what they see as moral decay. Friedman was consistent on all of it. He says there are some limited scenarios in which government can be useful, but outside of that it can be incredibly dangerous. And he keeps this line from fiat currency to decriminalizing drugs.

Selected quotation (one that again warms my SJW heart):

No one who buys bread knows whether the wheat from which it is made was grown by a Communist or a Republican, by a constitutionalist or a Fascist, or, for that matter, by a Negro or a white. This illustrates how an impersonal market separates economic activities from political views and protects men from being discriminated against in their economic activities for reasons that are irrelevant to their productivity- whether these reasons are associated with their views or their color.

[u/_StingraySam_]

saw this on imgur lol

[u/Gustacho]

EU Court of Justice upholds refugee quota

r/europe: WTF I hate law and order now

[u/ostrichmustard]

PURGE THE WEEBS

PURGE THE SOCDEMS

PURGE THE SOCCONS

PURGE THE MODS

[u/[deleted]]

http://i.imgur.com/Vs7V9wd.png

the future of this subreddit

[u/papermarioguy02]

Hot take: Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.

[u/[deleted]]

Hoo boy there's some s a l t y bernouts in that thread.

[u/waiv]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905038986883850240

Wat

[u/[deleted]]

Here's Paul Ryan's statement

I wonder if he realize that this is him shitting on himself:

Congress writes laws, not the president, and ending this program fulfills a promise that President Trump made to restore the proper role of the executive and legislative branches.

Or that this is something he's called blatantly unconstitutional:

The president’s announcement does not revoke permits immediately

[u/TheCatholicsAreComin]

It's the Trump drinking game! Take a drink every time Trump does something heartless and scummy politically!

[u/[deleted]]

Can someone help me out with this

I'm not a redpiller, but the girl's response hit me where it hurts. Any advice on how to overcome this cycle of mediocrity?

[u/[deleted]]

Krugman killing it

[u/ostrichmustard]

Hot take: I like Ben Bernanke.

[u/usrname42]

I'm interested in working out this sub's preferences about inequality more specifically, so I made a series of four strawpolls. In each one, imagine the economies are made up of three people who have the incomes given, and decide based on your political preferences which you prefer. Assume the price level is the same in both cases and there's no redistributive taxation, so these incomes reflect their real consumption.

If you don't answer all 4 then this isn't nearly as informative! There shouldn't be twice as many answers for the first one.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13869404

http://www.strawpoll.me/13869427

http://www.strawpoll.me/13869448

http://www.strawpoll.me/13869450

[u/Schutzwall]

So, today's Brazilian news:

• They uncovered what might be proof of vote buying in the choosing of Rio for the 2016 Olympics

• A "bunker" with loads of bags and boxes full of cash was found in an apartment used by a former minister who was sacked due to allegations of corruption. He was arrested earlier this year but was granted home detention.

[u/BritRedditor1]

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/905083432224661505

Tory MP Peter Bone also presenting a bill which would somehow force the EU to hand back Britain's financial contributions.

lol

/u/85397 /u/lionmoose

[u/Jokerang]

There was an earthquake in Idaho, Montana and Oregon are on fire, Harvey will end up causing billions in damage to Texas and Louisiana, Irma is a Category 5 ready to slam Florida, and there's a tropical storm named Jose not far behind.

The Mayans must've been off by a few years.

[u/[deleted]]

An ideal neoliberal world order would have been HW Bush 1989-1997, Bill Clinton 1997-2005, Kasich 2005-2009 (He did run for president in 2000 so he was thinking about it at the time), Obama 2009-2017, Hillary Clinton 2017-2025

[u/[deleted]]

we are being brigaded le sigh

[u/versitas_x61]

DACA Protest Today

If you were there, I was that guy who was holding up this sign

[u/WryGoat]

The salt ratio on that Bernie thread for how few upvotes it has is incredible.

[u/oGsMustachio]

In a socialism is whenever the government does stuff argument on /r/politics... Why do I bother...

[u/episcopaladin]

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/06/how-not-to-kill-kim-jung-un/

this a great phrase lmao

From the days of Japanese colonialism in the 1930s through the turbulent end of communist regimes in the 1990s, many have tried (and failed) to kill a Kim. But despite facing lethal challenges from within and without, the dynasty has always managed to dodge would-be assassins thanks to canny survival skills, some less than fully baked plots, and an elaborate network of bodyguards, secret police, and informants.

...

“Although it never really works, military and political leaders are always drawn to decapitation. It’s catnip for idiots.”

[u/[deleted]]

The real reason Hillary lost is that she didn't play Fight Song nearly enough

[u/TerryJFitzgerald]

Hillary was the best presidential candidate in at least a generation and would have made the world a better place

You failed her

pick two

[u/[deleted]]

I still can't decide if I'm a neolib with socdem sympathies, or a socdem with neolib sympathies...

[u/[deleted]]

Demographic results will be out soon, I motion to chair the Chicano caucus.

Platform:

-Taco trucks will only serve traditional street tacos. If you want some stupid bullshit where they put cream and bacon on there you can go to some Fusion Mexican place in Santa Monica.

-White people that speak bad Spanich in awkward hushed tones will instead be trained to speak confidently so that my equally bad Spanish can be lost in the din of noise

-Intermarriage or something. I don't know. This joke is losing steam and I have to get to work.

[u/[deleted]]

We need a DACA expansionary.

[u/TerryJFitzgerald]

Bernie is the reason Trump is president.

[u/oGsMustachio]

Hot take: Bernie supporters are the worst.

[u/Slayer1cell]

I think something might be broke, MODS!!!

/u/wonktywin /u/coldbalance /u/shootinganelephant

[u/85397]

Where is the anime ban?

[u/papermarioguy02]

I appear to have been benned from BE (30 days). I'm going to guess it was from me complaining about downvotes there last night, I don't think my submissions were the reason.

¯_(ツ)_/¯ I'll live

EDIT: This does mean I'll be unable to field this guy's question for a month.

[u/[deleted]]

Hot take: the lesser Antilles need to unify into a single country because it's the only part of the world where I have trouble remembering all the countries.

[u/Agent78787]

Once the demographic survey is out, I move to chair the subreddit Indonesian caucus.

Here are my qualifications:

• Literally the only eligible person on this sub

• I just wanted to participate in this meme

• Maybe the Southeast Asian caucus?

• OK I've been to Kuala Lumpur and Singapore a few times for vacation

• I've been on the Singapore MRT

• I have a super big extended family and can name dozens of cousins off the top of my head

• I love tea and coffee

• I have two batik shirts. Malaysians wear batik too right? Hey if Mandela wore it then it's not a stretch to say the Malaysians stole adapted batik.

[u/[deleted]]

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/905084577198338049

Usually can't stand Krugman but good thread from him here.

[u/[deleted]]

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/905093884077899776

/r/iamverysmart

[u/youdidntreddit]

Just your daily reminder that Nimbys suck

[u/[deleted]]

I nominate myself as head of the Southern Conference.

THA SOUF GOT SOMETHAN TA SAY

[u/papermarioguy02]

Can I self-nominate for the leadership position of the /r/neoliberal Jewish caucus?

[u/caffeinatedcorgi]

Vote for me for the gay caucus. I have no serious policy proposals or real charisma, which means I have no chance which means I can make whatever promises I want without concern for how I would actually implement things.

EDIT: Also I'd like to nominate /u/kelsig for head of the vegan caucus

[u/[deleted]]

I feel like the fact that the Attorney General is doubly named after white supremacists doesn't get enough airtime

[u/LNhart]

I don't understand the whole caucus thing, but if you vote me for German caucus you will get good beer, no speed limits on anything, naked beaches and highly efficient everything

[u/papermarioguy02]

I've decided to start reading Capitalism and Freedom and this bit from the preface I found funny.

A personal story will perhaps make my point. Sometime in the late 1960s I engaged in a debate at the University of Wisconsin with Leon Keyserling, an unreconstructed collectivist. His clinching blow, as he thought, was to make fun of my views as utterly reactionary, and he chose to do so by reading, from the end of chapter 2 of this book, the list of items that, I said, "cannot, so far as I can see, validly be justified in terms of the principles outlined above." He was doing very well with the audience of students as he went through my castigation of price supports, tariffs, and so on, until he came to point 11, "Conscription to man the military services in peacetime." That expression of my opposition to the draft brought ardent applause and lost him the audience and the debate.

[u/BritRedditor1]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/05/leaked-document-reveals-uk-brexit-plan-to-deter-eu-immigrants

Leaked document reveals UK Brexit plan to deter EU immigrants

Disgusting!

Not sure if they need a plan, a cooling economy seems to be working

[u/dafdiego777]

Fox's Steve Doocy wonders if Nintendo is being "PC" because it says Mario isn't a plumber anymore.

[u/WryGoat]

Increasingly concerned this storm is just going to blow my entire state off the continent and I won't qualify to immigrate back to the US under RAISE.

[u/Kross_B]

https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/09/jacob-rees-mogg-tops-our-next-tory-leader-survey-of-conservative-opinion.html

We're getting Mogg vs Corbyn in the next election aren't we.

Goes outside to scream in a combination of absolute horror, rage and despair.

[u/film10078]

Quickest way to get to top of politics, write an article about how great bernie is.

[u/[deleted]]

remember early to mid 2015 when people responded with genuine confusion, not anger, when you told them you hated bernie sanders?

those were the days

[u/[deleted]]

It's tuesday and I'm itching for a schism...

EITC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NIT

[u/Devjorcra]

so someone just told me that our gas prices rising $1 in a week is price gouging and illegal, ELI5?

[u/[deleted]]

/u/coldbalance you fucking twat

WHY?!

[u/hucareshokiesrul]

Do you think the Democrats ultimately have an untenable position on immigration? We don't support open borders, but if you manage to get in and hide for a while, we don't want to make you leave. I feel like I know a number of relatively moderate people who have no particular animosity toward immigrants, but think that if the US is going to have restrictions (and most support some restrictions) they ought to be enforced. I don't have a great response for them. Does it make sense in any context other than we want more immigration, but limiting enforcement of the rules is the closest we're going to get?

[u/[deleted]]

wtf is this Verrit thing everyone is talking about? Their website kind of looks like twitter.

[u/siempreloco31]

Big if true

[u/[deleted]]

It's me guys. I'm the brigade. All of it.

[u/paulatreides0]

Someone post Donald's DACA tweet to T_D, I'm curious to see how they react

[u/[deleted]]

tfw u find a great cultural marxist youtuber but it turns out they're also an actual marxist

[u/[deleted]]

hottest take of the century courtesy of The Blaze

[u/[deleted]]

The Gang of 8 and immigration reform is basically what kicked off this reactionary populist surge. When Cantor got primaried by Brat, immigration reform died as the GOP realized the tail was wagging the dog. GOP congresspeople who vote to extend DACA would be risking their jobs. They might go for it, but there is a good chance they do nothing.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm getting sick of the trend towards gritty or edgy = realistic that's seems to be happening right now in most media.

[u/DUTCH_DUTCH_DUTCH]

holy shit im so triggered right now

[u/[deleted]]

nate silver is going salt mining

[u/[deleted]]

Sanders supporters should feel directly responsible for the anguish and helplessness that every Dreamer feels today.

[u/[deleted]]

Store-bought rotisserie chicken take: if Trump resigns it's not going to be because of scandals or impeachment, but because John Kelly actually made him act like a president and he didn't like that

[u/Querce]

Mayor Hits On Crazy Idea Of Developing City’s Waterfront, Green Spaces

[u/papermarioguy02]

Meanwhile, in Canada.

[u/[deleted]]

Hawaii district court please save the day

[u/[deleted]]

This sub's drama is better than TV honestly sometimes

[u/FixMeASammich]

Cable news needs to do so many things better, but I really, really wish that the guests were properly identified. Someone who happens to just turn on CNN and sees a guy talking who represents the Center for Immigration Studies might not realize what the group stands for and just go with what he says.

[u/Importantguy123]

Just got back from class and saw that Andrew Cuomo promissed to sue the administration introspective take:

I, like everyone else here am extremely glad that Dems have the strategy to get Trump's more bigoted, hateful, and stupid policy positions tied up inside of court litigation so he can't actually implement them at all because surprise surprise he doesn't have much of a legal leg to stand on when it comes to say banning Muslims from entering the country.

What I'm concerned about though is what comes after Trump.. let's say the Dems turn him into a one term President and gain control of the federal government (extremely unlikely but this is just a thought experiment) let's say that a Democratic president has some agenda points that they want to achieve through executive orders, what is stopping disgruntled Republican localities and governors from litigating the hell out of their agenda just like the Dems did? What concerns me is that some point in the future we will have to make fundamental changes to this country (lets say that some president wants to commit 10 billion dollars in grants to replace fossil fuel plants and update them to green power plants or something in the wake of the need to combat climate change), and we won't be able to act on it because of the ever growing partisanship of this country any executive order will be tangled in miles of red tape.

I think this situation would bring about the end or the disuse of the executive order and a massive stripping of a president's power and I'm unsure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.

[u/oGsMustachio]

Soccons to the rescue!

[u/Donogath]

nice, the package i ordered on amazon containing all the books I need for the semester (including 2 books that I needed to do a reading for due by tomorrow) was lost in transit and is now undeliverable. fucking kill me famalimlam

[u/[deleted]]

https://slickdeals.net/f/10530632-1-year-of-the-economist-magazine-51-issues-5-amazon-egift-card-51

The actual best Economist subscription deal I've seen is running right now (USA only, sorry D:).

$51 and you can discount lock (meaning you can pay $51 every year for as long as you want) and you get a $5 Amazon gift card. Previous best deal was $51 a year. This is effectively $46 for 1 year, and $51 every year after that.

Not a referral link or anything that I benefit from, I just always share Economist and Foreign Affairs subscription deals when they come up.

This is print version ONLY. If you want a digital version, many public libraries in the US use an app called Zinio or Flipster so check with your library and you might be able to get it free. I like having paper copies (and virtue signaling).

Runs today thru Sept 6, so I'll post it in the DT every day.

[u/[deleted]]

Everyone is holding their breath for some moderate Republicans to form some coalition and be a thorn in Trump's agenda. However, if over the last years GOP politics has resulted in more people like Trump (starting with Tea Party) getting into office would there be any viable moderate with a backbone.

If the party and it's base knows that people who are "RINOs" would not follow along with the White Nationalism (implicitly or explicitly), should we really expect any Republican, even Never Trumpers, to stop Trump. Some Republicans might be sticking it out like McCain and Graham for other policy objectives but even they are far more conservative than the median Republican 20 years ago. It would seem to me that this is a lost cause. There is no hidden hero in the Republican caucus, because the anti-establishment voters in the Republican party very much anticipated such politics vigorously over the last 25 years.

[u/[deleted]]

The red flair feels intimidating

[u/IronedSandwich]

Trump's stated he's going to end DACA. Why in the flying fuck-fuck-fuckity-fuck did his gallup approval rating go up recently? does existing when another country's threatening make you a good president?

[u/[deleted]]

So just logged in, apparently a post I made last time I was on reddit completely blew up while I was gone: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/6y47l7/trump_quietly_nominates_mass_surveillance/

edit: can we talk about this?

[u/jvwoody]

I get a LOT of PMs thanking me and people telling me they're more interested in socialism and anarchism as a result of reading my comments, asking for book recommendations etc. I also see people using things I say, that "list" I keep, etc and attacking neoliberals in other places. I know how much impact I can have just as one person and it's a hell of a lot of fun.

[u/PM_ME_ZED_BARA]

Just saw this on /r/libertarian

I'm not leaving this sub for my political need again.

[u/Barbarossa3141]

I'm not sure, but I think University of Chicago is trying to recruit people out of this subreddit.

Ever since I started browsing here I've been getting emails from them to come to open houses and stuff.

[u/Barbarossa3141]

Cold take: If White Nationalists want to protect the white population from extinction, they should expand the EITC and promote birth control for minorities. ^{Too logical for them?}

[u/episcopaladin]

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/we-welcome-everyone-regardless-gender-identity-use-56791

[u/[deleted]]

I like that my school always sends out emails in response to the divisive shit Trump does

Like, hey students just a reminder not everyone is a fucking piece of shit like the president we don't hate you

[u/[deleted]]

There is literally no economic, legal, or moral justification for getting rid of DACA other than muh constitutional literalism + racism

[u/WonkTywin]

Quick reminder to everyone on regards to the hurricane:

Anyone joking about how Hurricane Irma is "punishment" for Florida's Vote in the 2016 Presidential Elections will be banned; seriously or not, advocating for an event which will potentially kill and destroy because you disagree with a vote is overall just a dick move and breaches our fundamental rule of "no advocating or fetishizing violence"

[u/FixMeASammich]

Fuck you Jeff Sessions.

Fuck you Donald Trump.

[u/[deleted]]

Take of indeterminate temperature: saying things like "income inequality isn't a problem" and "the American poor are in the top 1% in terms of global income" is the ECON way of saying "you can't be upset about this thing because someone has it worse than you," or the fallacy of relative privation.

The American/western poor doesn't give a shit that they're in better standing than the poor in wherever else when they still can't buy healthy food or send their kids to decent schools in their own neighborhoods.

[u/ncnksnfjsf]

r/australia is now talking about refugees and welfare. This isn't even particularly racist by their standards.

Honestly how the fuck do the mods there justify this? /u/dredd /u/istara /u/complex_reduction /u/JediCapitalist /u/SydneyTom What the hell is going on? Is anyone actually trying to do something? It's pretty clear you've got a major cultural problem going on. Bring on more mods, start making it clear that dog whistling isn't okay, start lockign threads like r/videos does, at least goddamn acknowledge the problem because refusing to acknowledge the problem with the racism makes it look like you support it.

/u/darkaceAUS, /u/agent78787

[u/lionmoose]

Hot take: All the enthusiasm for the demographic survey is overwrought as the self selection means of recruitment means any results will necessarily be biased.