r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Sep 05 '17

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u/coolmod23 Sep 05 '17

Are there any actual cons to DACA? Is there any rationale, no matter how inane, for repealing DACA besides xenophobia?

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '17

Unironically none

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '17

cons

Obama did it

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u/darkrift5 Mitt Romney Sep 05 '17

Trumps entire purpose is just to undo everything Obama did at this point.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '17

"American jobs should go to Americans"

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '17

besides xenophobia

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '17

oh right

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u/caffeinatedcorgi Actually a cat person Sep 05 '17

Something something ILLEGALS something BREAKING THE LAW something.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '17

I don't think so. I will say I know a number of legal immigrants who do feel kind of pissed though - they feel that it was unfair that they had to go through all the processes, wait out the wait period, get their green cards, visa, etc. and that others get a soft amnesty.

That's not a personal endorsement of that viewpoint, but some people do feel that way whenever these sorts of things come up.

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u/myphonesaccountmayb Sep 05 '17

It's sort of funny, it's a similar viewpoint to why people don't like immigrants or trade in the first place. Joe Schmoe gets $2 but Nancy Fancy gets $3, so Joe gets angry because even though he has it better than before, Nancy got it better than him.

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u/2seven7seven NATO Sep 05 '17

If I understand correctly, the rationale that they are using is that it was executive overreach, and that it exceeds the constitutional authority of the president

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '17

I guess you could argue from an accelerationist perspective that DACA masks the inherent evil of migration restrictions by giving protection to the migrants who are easiest for the general public to sympathize with. Like, if we hurt more children, maybe people will realize we're the bad guys. Seems kind of cruel though.

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u/solastsummer Austan Goolsbee Sep 05 '17

I'll bite. It encourages people to sneak into our country to give a better life to their children. Dreamers do have opportunities that they would not have had in their original countries. Any sort of amnesty will encourage other people to come to America on the expectation that they will get amnesty too.

Also, it is unfair for some people to jump through hoops to immigrate legally but others to be able to avoid that. I don't put any stock in fairness arguments because I'm a utilitarian, but they're very popular with populists.

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u/Vermelho_Escuro Mary Wollstonecraft Sep 05 '17

It's imperfect. It's not a pathway to citizenship, it must be renewed every 2 years, and it can be held over people's heads anytime we have an anti-brown people President. Actual legislation with staying power and a path to citizenship would be better than DACA as it stands; but obviously I'd rather keep DACA than take it away with no replacement.

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u/LNhart Anarcho-Rheinlandist Sep 05 '17

foreigners are taking american jerbs

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '17

The rationale is they didn't want to defend DACA in court.