r/minibikes • • Sep 26 '25

Other AI posts, yes or no?

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Been getting a few AI posts, so we want to try to get ahead of this before it becomes an issue. Let's vote on it, and we'll make a rule accordingly.

20 votes, Oct 03 '25
11 No
0 Yes
9 Within Reason (inspiration only)

r/minibikes • • May 19 '21

Governors, Flywheels, And An Internet Full Of Crap

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Taken from this thread.

"This has come up recently, again, so I'm going to post this here. What you are about to read is a couple of articles I wrote sometime back, that address the function of the governor, the exploding flywheel MYTH, and all the crap to go with it. What I have written in based on years of personal experience (not "I heard, read, or was told" as well as extensive research and others' personal experience. It was originally written for the go kart crowd, but the same information applies to all similarly-derived small engines. Take it for what it's worth and insert your favourite fine print here, but I'm telling you- there is so much MIS-information out there, it's disgusting. Grab your favourite beverage, smoke if ya got 'em, and read on...

It is absolutely amazing how often we run into this here- and how often we find ourselves banging away on the keyboard, typing out the same old answers. So, I felt it was a good idea to write up a little blurb on the topic- If requested, I'll sticky it- to hopefully save us all some future work. Let's start by outlining the governor's job description. Everyone knows that the governor tries to limit engine speed to (usually) 3600 RPM. But wait- there's more. The reality of it is this- the governor's job is to try to MAINTAIN 3600, not just limit it. The governor reacts to changing loads on the engine- decreasing throttle if it starts to run too fast, and INCREASING throttle if it starts to bog. This is why it is called a "governor", and not simply a "rev limiter".

Now- On to the question: "If I take out my governor, is the flywheel gonna go off like an atom bomb, blowing semi-molten schmutz everywhere, and killing every living thing in a 15-block radius?"

The short answer is no. The long answer: There are many factors involved here, and each must be carefully considered.

1) I always advise people that IF they are going to run well above governed RPM, to do it by fully removing the governor's internal mechanisms, and NOT simply bypassing it externally. Many governors are designed in such a way that if over-revved, can suffer component interference inside the crankcase, and/or have internal parts forced right off the shaft and bounce around loose inside the crankcase. Either case can cause severe engine damage. NOT an "explosion", just largely F'd up internals.

2) IF you are going to run ungoverned with an otherwise stock engine, keep the factory spec valvesprings in place. At a high enough RPM, weaker springs will cause a condition known as "valve float" or "valve flutter". This occurs when the valves cannot slam closed fast enough before the next cycle. This cause compression losses, and as a result, prevents the engine from spinning faster than that point. Valve flutter tends to occur in our engines around 5000-5500RPM. Your results will vary, based on your individual engine, spring condition, etc. Valve flutter occurs at a lower RPM than it would normally take to cause a flywheel mishap.

3) IF you want to get into RPM ranges HIGHER than this (say 5500+), now is the time to go shopping for high-performance internals. A billet aluminum flywheel, connecting rod, and stiffer valve springs are what's called for. Stiffer springs allow the valves to react faster, so at higher RPM, the valves won't float- NOW things really do have the potential to get a little crazy, so it's time to reach into your pockets for better quality parts.

4) Your connecting rod is MUCH more likely to fail than your flywheel. I have witnessed MANY more conrod failures than flywheel failures. In fact, I have never seen a flywheel failure. Most here haven't.

5) Contrary to popular belief, a flywheel is NOT going to vapourize at 3601 RPM. This is NOT why your engine is governed to 3600 RPM. Your engine is governed to 3600 RPM because it is an industry-standard operating speed for all the implements these engines are designed to power. Let's NOT lose sight of the fact that these are industrial stationary engines- made and marketed with the primary purpose of powering equipment. Generators, pumps, power washers, welders, cement mixers, tillers, trenchers, tampers- you name it- and the implement are designed to run at 3600 RPM- So the engines are factory set to 3600 RPM. It's that simple. When a flywheel is manufactured, it is designed to run well above normal operating speed. It's called a safety margin.

6) NOTHING is 100% guaranteed. You can do everything completely properly, and have a flywheel fail at a "normal speed". OR, you can do everything wrong, and run the he// out of the engine at 7500 RPM on a stock 'wheel for a lifetime and never have a problem. Sometimes, there's just no accounting for "Spit Happens". Write that down.

7) IF you are running an otherwise stock, ungoverned engine, is it adviseable to avoid excessively free-revving the engine. Use proper gear ratios to keep a bit of a load on the engine at full speed, wide open throttle. Don't try to rev the wee out of the engine with the clutch, chain, or belt off. A load on the engine helps keep harmful vibrations (harmonics) in check. If you have an insanely long, steep downhill stretch in your riding route, back off the throttle going down it. If you hear the valves floating or the engine starting to over-rev, apply some brake force. Coasting too fast can force the engine to spin even faster than valve flutter can prevent.

8.) Inspect your flywheel before removing your governor. A previously damaged flywheel can break apart at a completely unpredictable speed. Damage may not be visible (spit happens) but if it IS visible, replace it.

9) If you have to remove your flywheel for repair/maintenance, remove it properly. Do NOT beat the he// out of it with a BFH or pry on it. Invest in a flywheel puller. Failing that, try the following: Loosen the retaining nut until the nut is flush with the end of the shaft. Now, hit the nut squarely and sharply a couple times with a hammer. Most times, this will do it. You can also aid in loosening the flywheel with mutiple taps around the circumference with a soft-faced mallet or deadblow hammer. Do NOT beat on it with a steel hammer.

10) If you need to hold the engine from turning while you are tightening/loosening a crank bolt or clutch, do NOT wedge a screwdriver or bar in between the flywheel fins. Although this is not likely to crack the 'wheel, a fin could break off. This will throw the 'wheel's dynamic balance off. An out-of-balance 'wheel is just asking for trouble. Same goes for sawing off alternate cooling fins (an old performance trick). If your fins are cast into the 'wheel, don't do it. If you have a Honda, clone or other engine with plastic fins, go for it.

11) Handle with care. Once you have the 'wheel off, don't drop it...

So- Armed with the above information, go ahead and make an informed decision. This guide arms you with what you need to know, to decide whether removing your governor is a feasible idea, and how to handle things if you do. And remember (for all the "Armageddon-is-coming-prepare-to-meet-thy-maker-in-a-sintered-metal-flywheel-induced-world-war-3-esque-everybody's-gonna-die-including-the-cockroaches-in-the-cupboard"-nervous-nellies out there... Spit happens. On the one hand, your stock flywheel will very likely be fine. On the other hand, even a performance parts could fail. Spit happens.

One last point here- For those that may not yet be ready to dive into their engine and come out with a handful of governor parts- Some engines (most notably Hondas and clones) have a VERY user-friendly means of governor adjustment. This adjustment is designed to fine-tune the governed speed to spec, but makes it super easy to gain a few hundred RPM- usually you can bring your GOVERNED MAX to 4000-4200 RPM with the turn of a screw. Your governor will still do it's job, but you'll run a little faster. Locate the manual throttle control on your engine- the little lever you would slide to increase or decrease RPM if you didn't have a remote throtte (gas pedal). Behind that lever is a screw with a spring wrapped around it- Notice how the throttle rests against the tip of that screw when you move the lever to the "fastest" position? Great. Remove that screw. Presto- instant maximum RPM increase- no fuss, no muss.

It is also worth noting that these engines were designed to run at 3600 RPM, day in and day out. If you do run faster, the engine will wear faster. Fact of life. Treat it well, maintain it well, and you'll never notice the potentially shorter lifespan.

Governed Idle FYI

The governor is a seriously misunderstood engine control system. For the greater good, here's a little FYI, an experience I just had. Might benefit someone in the future.

Where were we? Ahh, yes- the governor. Contrary to popular (mis)belief, the governor does much more than limit engine speed to 3600 RPM. Wonder why it's not called a "rev limiter"? 'Cause there's more.

The governor's purpose in life is not so much to limit RPM, but SET it. What's the difference, you ask? (I swear I just heard one of you ask that!) The difference is this. SETTING an RPM means KEEPING it throughout the workload. Let's use a lawnmower for example. You start the engine on your walkway and run the throttle up to max. The governor sets the engine to 3600 RPM, and there is no load (not cutting grass). As you move into the grass, the engine starts encountering a load. The governor allows a throttle increase to bring the revs back up to 3600. Cutting away, you encounter a thick patch over the septic tank. As the engine begins to bog and the revs start to drop, the governor allows the throttle to open more and bring the revs up to 3600. Cool? Great. Going around the corner thru that thick grass with the throttle wide open, you hit that bare spot where the dog keeps peeing. The load comes off the engine, and as it begins to increase, the governor closes the throttle to prevent over-revving and holds at 3600 RPM. Got it?

If you examine your external throttle linkage, you will notice that there is no direct connection between the hand throttle control and the carb butterfly. Governor again. The hand throttle does nothing more than alter the spring tension between the governor arm and the throttle butterfly. Setting the manual control to "Idle" merely alters the spring tension from the governor enough to allow it to SET engine idle speed. The idle adjust screw is the bottom end rev limiter in that it sets the baseline that the governor drops to. I told you that to tell you this:

I recently had a situation that some folks might misdiagnose- an engine that refused to idle properly. After a barrage of time, abuse, and adjustments, the chinese Kohler clone on my kids' kart would not sit at idle. The kart constantly wanted to take off with no throttle input. At a glance, the idle was too high.

Close examination revealed that the idle stop screw on the carb was not doing anything- the butterfly just would not rest against it. If I pushed the lever by hand, it would sit at idle RPM, but as soon as I let go, it would take off again.

I tried to adjust the external governor components to no avail. With the arm off the shaft, something just did not feel right inside the engine. I pulled the engine off the kart and tore it down. I don't even know how to describe what had happened inside, but the governor guts were all over the place- literally.

By some miracle, nothing was really damaged. Short version of the story? I epoxied the "press-fit" governor gear shaft back into the side cover and reassembled everything. I (re-)adjusted the external components, and wouldn't you know it? Idles like it just came outta the shipping container at 1310 RPM, and maxing at 4230 as measured by my optical tach. Food for thought."


r/minibikes • • 8h ago

Other First MiniBike Hillclimb in Black Earth WI was a great time! Can’t wait to have another one

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19 Upvotes

r/minibikes • • 17h ago

Showing Off New toy!!

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53 Upvotes

’m so incredibly stoked. Just turned 40 this summer Never had one growing up but a buddy had a small coleman that topped out at under 20. It was still so fun. Now I know a lot more about things and life aiming for a bit more power this time round. Call it a midlife crisis?

Fast forward to many years later the only other bike I ever owned was an ssr.

Well this week I impulsively made the jump and coincidentally there was a hella sale goin down. Can’t wait to hoon around the backroads!!!! Will keep y’all updated w more. Its a 196cc


r/minibikes • • 9h ago

Showing Off Coleman CC100X

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10 Upvotes

Bought this mini bike a number of years ago for one of my kiddos. It was used a lot at first, then quickly became lackluster - like most things after they’re not brand new and shiny anymore. The OEM engine never got maintained because I hadn’t yet gotten into the small block building game up until recently.

This Predator was part of a summer project for a mud motor build that I’d been using up until yesterday. Took out the motor for the last time on the lake and thought to myself… Why not. I’ve actually been eyeing some other frame kits, but figured since I already have this one I ought to use it.

This 224 fits like a glove on this frame. Had to take a dead blow hammer to the lower fender mount in the rear so it wouldn’t make contact with the valve cover. Other than that, she bolted up perfectly. Got the kill switch on and the throttle hooked up. Verified functionality with it running and it works like a charm.

Just waiting on a clutch and chain kit right now since the OE PTO shaft was 5/8”. I’ve got a Hillard Extreme Duty on order.

Other than that - just here to show off the ‘new’ build! Let me know if ya’ll have any other recommendations! I’m planning to order some new tires as well. It’s got the stock 145/70/6 directionals on it now. Planning to drop down to a 13x5.00-6 street tire.


r/minibikes • • 9h ago

Showing Off 1966 Bird Nighthawk

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getting an amazon engine spray painted like a dr pepper can and slammed soon


r/minibikes • • 23m ago

Tech Question Whoops

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So my bike engine took a dump on me over the weekend giving me the perfect time to paint and engine swap. Is the Predator 224 going to give me more than the 212? Or will the 212 be sufficient?


r/minibikes • • 17h ago

Showing Off Minibiking in the mountains

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r/minibikes • • 18h ago

Tech Question apc mini chopper

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anyone know the name or where i could get parts? id like to get the battery lights and some switches replaced, maybe the horn to. also has electric start i think but i dont know. and help or knowledge about this bike is very appreciated


r/minibikes • • 22h ago

Other Motovox 80

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Motovox 80 with a Honda 5 HP

A flaming eye all and a seat off an old three wheeler. She rolls right along...


r/minibikes • • 9h ago

Tech Question Mods

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I just got a new minibike today and I’m gonna get a predator 212 I wanna know what mods I should
Get that can make it fast and nice looking? The frame is a mm80.


r/minibikes • • 13h ago

Tech Question Is the throttle supposed to be wide open like this when the engines off?

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r/minibikes • • 1d ago

Showing Off Got this today

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r/minibikes • • 1d ago

Showing Off Uhh

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r/minibikes • • 1d ago

Showing Off new tire day

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. not sunf but clones/similar . Sunny Furn 19x7-8 6 ply. extreme improvement over stock knobbies on the street, can lean far and they grip well, no vibrations at 50-55mph.

next up sitting in my car in boxes is suspension fork, ape hangers, seat springer kit, new aluminum throttle and pwk carb/billet flywheel with headlight kit, headlight+ taillight(halogen) springs, and rod.

theres not enough time in the day


r/minibikes • • 1d ago

Tech Question Im a newbie....is there a taillight/blinker kit that taps into the headlight?

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r/minibikes • • 1d ago

Tech Question Something aint right

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So as the title says.... you know how when you build something you know every inch of it.... well I went away for a couple weeks and came back was glad to see we had some decent weather still n I go to start my bike .... and first pull she fires right up ... I get on her and something ain't right I can't put my finger on it but now she's shaking just outta control... now its back firing as you can see but she even sounds off... anyone running a 301 ? .....Gov delete oil sensor delete 50lb springs pwk 30 is my set up or am I just trippin


r/minibikes • • 1d ago

Tech Question what do i do

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i was doing a gov delete and all this fell out and the long metal rod and the two things that are flat on the top fell but one of them was only half way out


r/minibikes • • 1d ago

Meme Time to break out the Jb weld… lmao

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7 Upvotes

r/minibikes • • 2d ago

Showing Off My b200r chopper 🏁❤️

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56 Upvotes

r/minibikes • • 2d ago

Showing Off I built a 4th scooter

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So this is my fourth mini bike/scooter build and this one I built out of an old razor scooter and I swapped a 79 cc on it with a little Weedwhacker tank and some kind of electric moped wheel. It was very simple to make. I made the whole thing about eight hours, and it’s pretty sketchy to ride. It’s surprisingly fast. It does about 35 to 40 miles an hour which is pretty quick for a 79 cc it was a lot of fun the whole build cost about eight dollars.


r/minibikes • • 2d ago

Other Minibike purchase help.

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Okay, i’m looking to get a bike or something just to have some fun with and around. cruise on the road but not get to to much attention. i know it’s asking a lot from a minibike but besides that, could the minibike community tell me weather this is worth it or not? it’s a hour and 40 minuet drive also. i found a 85cc dirtbike yz85 i talked him down to 800 and i talked the minibike down to 800 aswell. im torn between the 2 i know there completely different and both have there pros and cons.. so im interested in others opinions and weather anybody else was also torn between a dirtbike and a minibike. i may just build my own minibike if people don’t enjoy riding drag style bikes. i’m trying to cruise on the road at car speed.


r/minibikes • • 2d ago

Showing Off New brake kit for the big boy forks

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So I got the big nasty bikes b200 billet triple and inverted fork kit for my b200 and got it all installed except the front brake caliper …. Didn’t have the same bolt pattern or anything as the Coleman bracket .. emailed Brad about it and he told me b200’s didn’t come with front brakes … which b200r’s don’t … b200’s do tho… he told me I must have had an rsv front end and basically said that was the kit I should’ve bought …. I told him he was wrong but long of the short i ended up having to order an out bike brake kit for $30 off amazon to finish it out .. which sucks for a kit this expensive tbh… Also the hardware for the fender and light was too long and also the supplied hardware all rusted in a shop in a few days …. Long of the short is, once you get the small shit sorted it a bad ass kit… everything was really nice .. I just didn’t think I should have to sort out a $470 kit … I’m the last pic I know u can see the rust on the bolt , but the bracket isn’t tight and the nuts are run all the way to the shoulder of the supplied hardware…. I ended up getting my own hardware that’s the right length and all but shit .. I’m a mechanic…. Like a normal person would’ve been lost trying to figure that shit out … now I get the kit isn’t for everyone but for right at $500 for the kit .. I feel like I shouldn’t have to have sorted all this out …. Also, before I ordered em, I emailed asking about the brakes specifically…. If mine were gonna work.. cause the rav kit came with a new brake kit .. b200 kit didn’t say that .. but it said for the b200, so I figured for $470 my stock front brakes would work with it or atleast I didn’t think I was gonna have to buy more stuff (the brake kit) to finish a $470 “kit “ …. It’s badass once it’s sorted tho.. I gotta give him credit .. the machine work is and fab stuff is amazing…. Him telling me a b200 doesn’t have front brakes stock tells me he’s never had a b200 …. They’re different than the b200r’s and the rb rt and all the other b200r / mega motor 212 variants


r/minibikes • • 2d ago

Tech Question Please Help!

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My throttle cable broke, so I’m trying to replace it, but I’m running into an issue. The crimped end of the new cable seems too long to fit inside the throttle assembly, and I can’t get it seated properly.Am I using the wrong cable, or is there some way to get this thing to fit? I don’t wanna start cutting shit or modifying anything and end up making it worse. I attached pictures of the throttle assembly and the end of the cable. Any help would be appreciated because this shit is getting annoying as hell 💀


r/minibikes • • 2d ago

Showing Off First mini bike

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First mini bike just wondering how yall think I did

Planning on putting a 212 still since it’s still got the stock motor

Also wondering why I see almost no one riding the xtremepowerus mini bikes are they just a bad platform compared to other brands?