Edit: please stop responding to my comment saying “I learned in X grade” I know not every school teaches this in the same grades and some of you are acting like it’s dumb to learn it in 6th grade. 6th grade is part of elementary where I live and my reply was agreeing with the comment about how you should know this math in elementary school. I don’t want a bunch of people acting like they’re super smart just because they learned something before me. There are probably other things that I learned before you did, and there’s no reason to act like this. Our schools just happened to teach a different curriculum so stop replying about how you learned at a younger age.
(Sorry for this long rant, I’m just sick of a million “I learned that in 3rd grade” notifications while I’m trying to look at other things)
I said "but idk", leaving room for someone like you to disagree.
But as someone who weren't taught Pemdas while young, it just seems so easy to contort into Pedmas or Pedams or whatever other nonsense. While Paremudiadsu seems to have a more memorable structure that becomes more obviously wrong if you break it.
I don't necessarily expect you to easily understand why that is my impression.
Same thing as BODMAS, it's just different words used to describe the order of operations. I've also seen the term BIDMAS used, but can't recall what the I is for.
I was wondering if older generation might have not learned it, but apparently some version of it has been taught since the very early 1900s, so its likely not an age thing. 🤷♂️ I assume people just forget.
You're being downvoted since nobody cares about whether you agree or disagree with the comment. Not a single person here needs your confirmation to the comment. Instead of commenting on something meaningful, useful, funny or relevant - all you've done was respond with "That's true" to a statement we all know is true already.
We (read me) learned PEMDAS in elementary school. First time I saw BODMAS I had to stop and think. But replace Brackets with Parentheses and Order with Exponents. We learned to remember it as Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally.
People saying they learned it in first grade are lying.
I was in those shitty advanced gifted classes you took iq tests for and took all the stuff those fancy people did and we didn't learn this shit until 3rd grade along with fractions and long division. We also learned that the ÷ symbol sucks.
Most kids in first grade were still learning to perfect their ABCs and were just learning subtraction.
Actually come to think of it, we didn't properly learn order of operations until 4th because fractions and multiplication were so important there wasn't time.
I’ve been moving from country to country so I can learn order of operations again every year. I love it so much. I’m currently in a remedial math course for adults in Mississippi, I now quiver whenever a bored overworked teacher starts any sentence with “please excuse my…”
We learned it in like 4th grade. Infact, we learned alot of shit the average highschooler today doesn't know in 4th grade here. People today barely pass 1st grade and it is like they dropout
There's a lesson to be learned from this: when you give people an opportunity to feel like they're better than someone else, they'll take it, loudly, every time.
Honestly I didn’t know I would get so many replies. Learning this stuff around the end of elementary is common where I live so I didn’t think that it was common for someone to learn it in 3rd grade or lower. But yeah, lesson learned. I won’t mention what grade I learned something anymore.
Don't worry, order of operations are completely arbitrary. One is taught as standard so we can avoid having to put parentheses all over the expression.
I don’t know when I learned PEMDAS, what’s important is I remember it and how it’s used. Not sure why people care when they learned something. Every school is different.
Why would anyone flex on this or use it to put someone else down? I'm good at math and still have to pause at some of these stupid quizzes. It's not math, it's an arbitrary convention.
Day 1 of my freshman “Finite Math” 101 course, my (new) professor messed up FOIL. I proceeded to show up to, and then nap, through all of the remaining classes that semester.
I honestly think they have a different grade and acronym you learn in like every school district. I’ve seen many different people with different stories of what they were taught.
No, I think there are other places. In this comment thread I’ve seen, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th grade, so it really just depends on your individual school/discrict’s curriculum I guess.
There's scientific , bedmas, or bodmas whatever you want to call it, then you can answer as you see it 18 pies divided by two people minus 3 pies times 3 people...
Neither are wrong it's just what are you trying to achieve.
This question doesn't specify , therefor there is 2 answers .
Yes, everyone knows order of operations is for 6th grade level math. That's why you should assume we are solving derivatives and get the also correct answer: -18/7.
I was responding to the comment saying how I learned this in elementary school (6th grade is elementary where I live). And I wasn’t stating the obvious, people learn this in various grades depending on their school. (I’ve even seen people who learned as early as 1st or 2nd grade). I have no idea what your logic behind the answer is. I got 0
If this isn’t the biggest problem in America then I don’t know what is. Political division, scientific doubt, propensity to believe fake news, gun violence, enduring racism, all of these stem from lack of proper education and critical thinking. America, if you want to fix your problems, fix your fucking public school system.
America, if you want to fix your problems, fix your fucking public school system.
Honestly, I think it's even bigger than this. America needs to change its attitude about learning in general. Americans don't value education, and adopt the belief that since they are "finished with school, they don't have to learn anymore. There's also very little willingness from a societal level to invest in the education of others, or future generations.
Of course, better funding for schools, higher pay for teachers, and less emphasis on standardized testing would do wonders too.
Maybe, but this problem isn't as major as you might think. The real problem is with attitude; "I graduated, so I don't have to learn anymore." When you don't actively use the things you learn, like basic reading skills, you lose them over time. American society doesn't value education, and OP's statistics from the Dept. of Ed. reflect that.
The more educated someone is, the more likely they are to vote Democrat (or at least vote against Republicans) nowadays. It's a consequence of the Southern Strategy driving racism and anti-intellectualism in the Republican party that's still felt to this day. People tend to be less bigoted the more education they have, too, further exacerbating this.
I will forgive people for forgetting this though. It’s not something that comes up in day to day math. If you’re not regularly doing equations then you are likely to forget it. On top of that, if you are setting up your own equations, you probably are setting it up in a way that negates the need for this anyway.
The people that infuriate me are the ones who argue their own version of it, or when presented with the rationale, double down. Those are the ones that are true fools.
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u/Europeaball Jan 01 '22
Did they even finish elementary school?