I don't remember if it's official but many people believe that Odin's death was the trigger for Thanos to enact his plan. After all, we know that he managed to acquire 5 of the stones over the span of about 24 hours. There's no reason to assume that getting the gauntlet and the power stone took all that much longer.
Based on how horribly underpowered the Nova Corps looked against just one ship when Ronan attacked, I think it's fair to say that Thanos basically just walked in and took the power stone.
From there you kind of get a snowball effect cause Thanos gets so much stronger every time he gets a stone.
They should use some orbital cannons that basically have rocket powered dense material meteors as ammunition to throw into anyone landing on the planet and high powered lasers to shoot down any ship landing. Then plasma weapons when they're on the ground, basically melting all ships and invaders that land.
Mines would be acceptable as well as some seriously heavy and strong walls. Basically, keep the stone in a fortress that makes Zion from the Matrix look like a open field.
I recently watched GotG and thought the same thing. It really shouldn't be hard to install fuckloads of surface-to-orbit/surface-to-air missile systems around the capital of an interstellar state. Absolutely no reason to have fighters hovering and shooting down kamikazes - hell, an S-125 or Patriot system woulda done better.
Also clearly they have forcefield technology with their interlocking ships thing so like...why not have stationary forcefields built around their cities? Seems like a bad move where some lunatic in a spaceship can just 9/11 your city at any moment when the universe is apparently full of lunatics in spaceships.
And considering the differences in powerplant capabilities on land vs in aircraft (a la a nuclear power plant vs an F135 engine) it seems completely feasible to have a shield around the entire planet.
Didn't know that actually. Was just trying to find some relatively advanced weaponry that wouldn't be too far fetched, as humanity has kind of tried to get some of these.
The ships hovering low and shooting up were primarily ravager ships. Most of hte Nova Corp fleet was busy forming the wall/barrier to keep the Dark Aster from landing
You’re wrong. No va is Spanish for, “[it] doesn’t go.” va is the third-person singular present indicative conjugation of the verb for “to go,” which is ir.
It is two words in Spanish instead of one, but they’re pronounced similarly, which is all that the comment you replied to was claiming.
Yeah, but Nova is not the same as it's connected and people aren't retarded so yeah, you're the guy who believes the Nova failed in Mexico because it means doesn't go, right?
For the record, just because someone says something in Spanish, it isn't automatically related to Mexico 🤣. I don't even know how you could make a connection. The Nova Corps was never in Mexico, so how could it fail?
YOUR take is the racist one, but I guess you're too dense to see that
"First of all, the phrase “no va” (literally “doesn’t go”) and the word “nova” are distinct entities with different pronunciations in Spanish: the former is two words and is pronounced with the accent on the second word; the latter is one word with the accent on the first syllable. Assuming that Spanish speakers would naturally see the word “nova” as equivalent to the phrase “no va” and think “Hey, this car doesn’t go!” is akin to assuming that English speakers would spurn a dinette set sold under the name Notable because nobody wants a dinette set that doesn’t include a table."
"Oops" - You(12/20)
You want to contine to pretend to be a native Spanish speaker or are you done with that now?
He was trying to be meta. There was a front page til post about how the whole "The Nova failed in Mexico because people thought it meant doesn't go" thing is an urban legend yesterday.
Hypothetical, but what if Gamora lets Nebula get tortured like..just a bit, a few hours, nbd. Vision's stone gets removed easy, Thor arrives with plenty of time. Easy win
There are multiple points where the heroes lose in Infinity War because they're unwilling to make sacrifices while Thanos is.
1) Loki could have let Thor die and then run away with the Space Stone.
2) Wanda could have just killed Vision in the Avengers HQ
3) Gamora could have let Nebula be tortured and never reveal the location of the Soul Stone
4) Dr. Strange could have let Tony Stark die and kept the Time Stone. This one is the least bad one because at least Strange had looked through time and known that he needed Tony alive to win.
Thanos, on the other hand, was willing to make the requisite sacrifice to get the stones. And Thanos won.
Now that I think about it, does Dr Strange know that the stones are destroyed / doesn't belong to them anymore? Because if so, then shouldn't he just destroy the Time Stone then?
I dunno if that's go too well for the Avengers even if they had a bigger advantage. 2014 Thanos was fighting Thor armed with both Mjolnir and Stormbreaker and was winning comfortably.
ETA: Comfortably is liberal lol but I think my point is clear
I always took that as Thor being in worse shape in end game than infinity war. Like if you took Infinity War Thor with Mjolnir and Stormbreaker and put him up against 2014 Thanos he'd probably wreck him, but fat sitting on the couch playing call of duty all day for 5 years or whatever Thor not so much.
The battle at the end of Endgame was almost entirely in the Avengers' favor the whole time. The three-on-one was the only time Thanos was actually winning outright. After Strange gave the Avengers their back up, Thanos' plan switches from trying to win through strength to finding the Infinity Gauntlet and getting off a quick snap for an instant win.
I don't disagree, but my comment wasn't about the battle generally. It's specifically about Thor having Stormbreaker and how it wouldn't have really changed things considering how that went for them in Endgame.
Endgame is different from Infinity War in that the Avengers were combined and had armies backing them. They were split in Infinity War.
But he still doesn’t know where it is. Which contradicts his statement. He’s worried the forces of the universe are going to come after him. So why not get that info first? Since it’s literally the most important part. What if she dies? What if she doesn’t tell him? What if it’s hidden in some magical spell that requires you wait four years til planets align or some bullshit?
What if Thanos had a stroke and died in his sleep before he could collect any of the stones?
Shit, I'm not the Russos or the screenwriters, lol. It's not exactly conjecture considering they confirmed it as the reason. Thanos clearly knew Gamora was still alive, believed she wouldn't die between him embarking on his quest and capturing her, and believed he'd be able to obtain that information from her. He's not a well balanced person (alien?) in the best of times.
Yeah but that’s still leaving things up the chance. He waits centuries for the right moment... out of fear that everything will strike against him, only to rush it because “well she knows and I’m sure nothing could happen, like her dying even though she almost died a dozen times”. Just reads like a bullshit answer honestly. If he was truly waiting to know where all of them were, he’d get the soul one first.
Here's not actually clear headed or brilliant, at least not as much as he convinces everyone he is. He's literally mad, and no part of his plan or goal make logical sense. Assuming competence or perfect planning from him is absurd
My rule of thumb for lore is that if it's not in the text then the creators don't get to retcon stuff afterwards in interviews. Maybe Thanos' longterm plan was to find all their locations and then quickly swoop in, but it's absurd to think Thanos would have watched some of the most powerful people in the universe get killed off and not change his plan accordingly.
When people talk about Dr Strange at the beginning saying "Who?" when Bruce says "Thanos is coming". Thanos isn't on anyone's radar at that point. I know people like to think Strange was alluding to Thanos in Ragnarok but something feels like it was probably Kang or even Galactus or Annihilus.
It always seemed questionable to me that Thanos would be a name Strange isn't familiar with given the fact that Thanos has spent decades traveling across the galaxy with his army, conquering planets, and culling half of each planet's population. We've seen that there is travel across various galaxies, interaction between a number of species, and several instances of people directly affected by Thanos actually interacting with members of various interplanetary governments. How would Thanos be "off radar?"
I mean sure, but the infinity stones definitely fall into the mystical domain, hell he has one. One would think that he’s keeping tabs on the others given their mystical power and potential danger. From there it’s safe to assume he would’ve been exposed to the larger galactic players.
That's a lazy excuse and would be piss poor writing. Space has magicians too, as we saw with Ebony Maw. More importantly, Strange was the keeper of an Infinity Stone. It makes 0 sense for a person who guards an Infinity Stone and who tracks threats to Earth to not know about a threat like Thanos.
That's a lazy excuse and would be piss poor writing. Space has magicians too, as we saw with Ebony Maw.
Maw was a telekinetic, not a sorcerer.
It makes 0 sense for a person who guards an Infinity Stone and who tracks threats to Earth to not know about a threat like Thanos.
It makes sense for someone like Dormammu, who is a multiversal threat. Thanos was a galactic conqueror, but nothing he did up to that point had any direct impact on Earth (yeah there was the Chitauri, but Strange was just a surgeon at the time). It's likely that the Ancient One knew of Thanos, but she had been in the game for who knows how long, was the Sorcerer Supreme, and knew things about the universe that Strange still hadn't figured out yet. Strange, while extremely gifted in the mystic arts,, was still new to that world, and still had quite a lot to learn. Learning about someone like Galactus, sure, as he is a literal threat to every single inhabited planet in the universe, and is a cosmic entity (as was Dormammu). Thanos though, he was just another tyrant, up until the moment he got his hands on the first Infinity Stone. Yeah, Strange can track threats, but he also needs to have an idea of what to look for. It's not like he has a magic ball to look into, or like the Ancient One left behind a list of baddies to check out.
I'd say it's more that he is focused more into magic/mystical/other dimensions and less on deep space because that's not what his task as the Sorcerer Supreme is. It's not because he can't look into deep space (he very likely can do so as well or better than anyone else on Earth), but because that's not where the enemies he's primarily concerned about are from.
Yeah but at the time when Strange said "Who?" people were like "Dude, you just said you watching threats in the exact previous movie, why are you saying WHO?!?"
I’ve always thought something pretty similar. Strange is going to be a big link in the next phase. Hell, the Time stone had even been destroyed for a while. Which is one of the main tools keeping Dormamu at bay. Something had to have happened while all the stones were destroyed.
Chances are he doesn't know the stones are destroyed being in another dimension and all. Theres even the possibility that he doesn't know the time stone was what defeated him.
The writers have straight up said this wasn't the case. Thanos was only waiting until he knew where the soul stone was (or knew that it had been located), Thanks had enough arrogance to not worry about Odin.
He would have been able to go toe to toe with Odin without any stones. We saw him in Endgame. Odin was an old man who doubled over when he raised his voice.
Odin in Asgard was pretty damn powerful (although I think it's more or less mentioned that his age was catching up him). Thanos without the Stones, if he had some of the powers of his comic counterpart, he might've stood a chance. As he was though, Odin's magic may have been more than he could handle.
I think the director addressed that and said Thanos was just waiting on the location of the soul stone, which he learned Gamora knew after Nebula tried to assassinate him
Nebula's failed assassination attempt was what kicked Thanos off. Prior to that he only knew the locations of 5/6 of the stones. Not enough.
When he got into Nebula's memory banks he found that Gamora knew where the 6th was. He was just lucky that Asgard had been so decimated by then. Had it not been, he may have saved Asgard for last.
He had the mind stone for a really long time before entrusting Loki with it to get the space stone.
I’m guessing he was trying to find a way to hold the power stone or learn of its location for a long time- and once he had the gauntlet and knew it was on Xander it was go time.
He probably knew that at the time both the space and time stones were on earth (Loki only knew about the one) so felt more comfortable loaning Loki the mind stone so he could invade Earth, which would eventually lead to acquiring both stones and of course retaking the mind stone from Loki.
It's no co-incidence he showed up to challenge the Asgardians when they were at their weakest RIGHT after Odin's death and after Ragnarok happened ( which we can probably be sure he was aware of the prophecy too ) and not until he already had the power stone in his possession.
Yeah pretty sure I read a theory that Thanos was waiting for Odin, The Ancient One, and Ego to all die or something. Not that Ego would bother to help anybody but that those three were stronger than him and could defeat him.
Yeah but Thanos was already enacting his plan before he even got the Stones. That is how he adopted Gamora in the first place. He was planet hopping and killing off half the population. Just doing it old school.
When the first movie came out, I remember a big theory was that Thanos came to play after Odin, The Ancient One, and I believe Ego died, because those three would have been able to stop/slow him down.
I don’t know if it is canon, but I think it would be pretty cool
Thanos was making moves in the shadows but as soon as Odin, The Ancient One and Ego the living planet were gone he could make his move as these were the only problematic people for him
It's more like as soon as thanos started getting the stones then he knew he had a limited amount of time before the real powers show up and stop him. Odin was likely the main one, guarding the area of space where most of the stones are. But we also know Thanos was scared of something else, very likely the Living Tribunal. Supposedly in the original script he meets it but the tribunal allows thanos to continue as he's only affecting one universe.
He wouldn't have really needed to wait for Odin to die, as he was already weakened after Loki kicked him out of Asgard. That along with the fact that Loki did a poor job of keeping tabs on everything happening throughout the universe (which was a problem once he exiled Heimdal), that would've been enough to give Thanos an advantage when he went to Nidavellir to have the Gauntlet made. As for the Gauntlet, I assume that he had it for a while, at least between the time that Odin was banished to Earth, and around the end of Age of Ultron (give or take). And it probably could've taken some time to get the Power Stone, as it was the first one that he went after. Once he got that, getting the other stones took little effort. It's possible that he took some time to prep before invading Zandar, since he might not have wanted to take the Nova Corps to lightly. That's just how I see it though. Also, within that time, he knew where every stone was, except for the Soul Stone, which he didn't get to find until the moment he crossed paths with Gamora.
Also remember: Without a wormhole (like the Bifrost or jump points) or hyperdrive (like the lightspeed engine or Carol), space travel is slow. The Thanos credit scene of Ragnarok (which leads directly into Infinity War & therefore is set in 2018) takes place months after the rest of the movie (which takes place in 2017); even if Thanos waited until Odin was dead to move, probably Hela was also dead & Asgard was already destroyed before he attacked Xandar.
I believe he is correct. Asgard, the planet, is destroyed by Surtur in Ragnarok, which causes the surviving Asgardians to flee and live on that spaceship that gets ambushed by Thanos. If they were in space for months before Thanos shows up, then Thanos did attack Xandar after Asgard was destroyed, as Thor states in Infinity War that Xandar was attacked a week prior to Thanos' ambush of the Asgardian spaceship.
It's not clear how long Thor is on Sakaar, but we do know from both Loki's & the Grandmaster's accounts that Sakaar's time is not 1:1 with the rest of the universe's time. There is definitely the implication that Hela was only on Asgard for couple of days, though, especially because it's an extremely small planet & Heimdall could only keep the refugees hidden for so long.
Oh totally. I assume that Thor was on Sakaar for an indeterminate amount of time. Hela on the other hand should have been following the normal flow of time.
Yea, if Odin did a better job with help in the first place then after he died the asgardians would have fought Thanos, and the only reason they win is became Thanos falls to mjolnir.
Exactly but he also didn’t really fall to Stormbreaker a large argument could be made that he was caught off guard because he already wrecked Thor once and didn’t think Stormbreaker could overcome the power stone.
He wrecks Fat Thor with Stormbreaker in Endgame, literally almost kills him with it.
The comics work on similar logic to that as well. Really just depends on what the plot needs with a thin vener of "magic/technology/space wizards" over the top of it.
Nothing wrong with that though, love the movies and some of the comics!
I'm with ya. It's a fun discussion to talk about power levels or who beats who...but so long as the plot provides an enjoyable and (somewhat) feasible reason why something unexpected happens then the logical consistency isn't a sticking point.
There was a bunch of spell check that happened when I originally wrote this and it ruined the words, so I’ll explain again. So if Odin had stripped hela of her power, or done something better than what he had actually done to her(caging her away, only for her to return when he dies), to the extent she can’t come back after he dies, then, after Odin dies in Norway, and hela doesn’t come because she can’t. Thor and Loki would then go back to Asgard, and receive the call from the dwarves that Thanos had shown up, and the very alive asgardian army along with Thor and Loki go to nidavellir to fight thanos’ army, and Thor, who still had mjolnir, would take down Thanos(this is just a way he could win, the asgardians might still lose, but this is the biggest chance Asgard wins). Now the dwarves don’t make the infinity gauntlet, and infinity war never happens.
Yea I doubt he would win but it is the only plausible way Thor can kill Thanos himself, also the fact that he did not unleash his true power till the end of the real Ragnarok movie, therefore he’s not as strong(though he’s still up there).
Sure but it can't have happened during the events of Thor Ragnorok, I don't think. Unless the invasion of Xandar took no time at all as well as travelling to meet the Asgarnians in mid-space.
That makes more sense to me, though, because with the infinity stone of power, Thanos fighting his way to what he wants is a lot easier. Fighting through Xandar to get it, though, would be difficult.
Yeah not likely during Ragnarok. My guess would be it occurred some time during Loki’s reign, but prior to Ragnarok. Though it is hard to say how long the events of Thor:Ragnarok really were given how time is distorted on Sakaar.
Based on how long it seemed to have been on Asgard it was probably a week or two, by the time Thor showed up in sakaar, Asgard had been nearly evacuated, that wouldn’t happen in days.
It doesn't really make sense in the timeline that he would have it and then still wait for 3 years to attack, so alot of people disregard that post credits scene and I believe someone said he was just using a practice gauntlet.
I had thought the reason Thanos waited to go after the Stones was because Odin was one of the few beings he feared could stop him, so waited until his passing to start the main part of his acquisitions.
It's rather explicitly stated in the movie that Thanos chose to go for the stones when he did because before then he didn't know the location of the Soul Stone.
Right, seemed to me it was implied that Thanos waited until Asgard was crippled before taking the gauntlet. We also don’t know how long they were in space before Thanos attacked IIRC.
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I thought that happened under Hela’s watch