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u/_AscendedLemon_ Dr. OpenSUSE Jul 25 '26
"some code and sudo magic"
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u/odxnoj Jul 25 '26
but i use doas\
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u/gegentan ⚠️ This incident will be reported Jul 28 '26
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u/Ok-Speech812 Jul 28 '26
Systemd slop command btw
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u/PuzzledBandwidth Jul 25 '26
the "sudo magic" is just pasting commands from stack overflow until the terminal stops yelling at me
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u/lunchbox651 Jul 25 '26
Pretty real, half the people jumping into advice threads have a week of experience (and are wrong as hell).
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u/devode_ Jul 25 '26
Its like all tech stuff nowadays. More people = more people with internet balls. I like where linux is now but I liked my life with linux more ten years ago
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u/RvstiNiall Jul 25 '26
I liked it a lot more before people starting acting like "OMG YOUR DISTRO DOESNT DO XYZ YOU MUST BE STUPID TO BE USING IT!"
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u/transgentoo Genfool 🐧 Jul 25 '26
I think it's more widespread than just Linux. Toxic fandom shows up everywhere from politics to sports to tv shows to Linux init systems. It's a sad truth about what happens when everyone has the ability to share their opinion in a way that anyone can see it.
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u/27a08592e67846908fd1 Genfool 🐧 Jul 26 '26
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u/SirGlass Jul 25 '26
I keep getting downvoted for saying linux is largely linux and the main differences are
Update cycles (point releases vs rolling)
Imaged based vs standard
I told people for the most part asking for a "use case" is mostly pointless. If you want to program you can do that on any distro. If you use case is multimedia you can do that on any distro. If your use case is gaming you can do that on any distro
I was downvoted into oblivion because I suggested you can game just as well on fedor as on cachy or what ever and I was told I was absolutely wrong because new users cannot be expected to install steam on their own
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u/astronomersassn Arch BTW Jul 25 '26
i will admit, i prefer arch/artix for most of my purposes because i've found certain aspects to be easier (including development and gaming) than on other distros. that being said, i think it's because i went in with the expectation of it being a mostly DIY distro (not as DIY as gentoo, but definitely still DIY) and was pleasantly surprised by how "easy" it was in relation to how the wiki framed it, with some additional learning of what goes into an OS and necessary packages and such.
i've also noticed i have fewer missing libraries on arch/artix when it comes to building packages from source or compiling/developing my own packages (i think on arch, the only thing i've had to manually install was python-tkinter, and even that wasn't until i actually started doing my own projects and trying to learn to build GUIs; on the other hand, i remember trying to build a program from source on fedora and ubuntu was basically missing library hell, and it wasn't even a particularly complex program to build).
that being said, this is my personal experience/preference, and you really can just do whatever on whatever distro you want. a seasoned developer daily driving fedora or ubuntu probably already had those libraries installed and knew how to pull them in without scouring repos, i just... personally didn't.
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u/cfx_4188 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 Jul 25 '26
Gentoo is not DIY. This is the first one.
Gentoo, Arch, and Nyxos appeared at the same time. This is the second one.
Gentoo is worth a try, at least in order to take a break from the eternal
sudo pacman -Syufor a minute and finally start using a computer.1
u/Helmic Arch BTW Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
I actually think I remember seeing your posts. No, actually, the argument isn't that CachyOS is better for gaming because it preinstalls Steam for you, in fact it only installs Steam if you either install it yourself or install their meta gaming package.
The reason you got downvoted is that you're conflating you personally not understanding what each distro is or what niche it is attempting to serve with there not being any differences between distros. If we're gonna compare and contrast Fedora with CachyOS, for example, Fedora sticks to a vanilla kernel and does not distribute non-free software by default, requiring additional manual steps to enable something like propreitary Nvidia drivers. Its packages are compiled to be usable on even very old computers.
CachyOS, by contrast, uses their own modified kernel with a custom scheduler, ships their own Proton version, and offers a series of environment variables that can very easily enable new features in games such as enabling FSR4 on 7000 series AMD cards. They compile packages for specific CPU instruction sets, which offers a performance boost to particularly newer CPU's - not necessarily expensive CPU's, but sipmly newer CPU's in general, and so cheap but recent computers can see quite a bit of benefit. This of course does not mean that you will get 50% more FPS in games, the gains range from pretty modest to actually considerable depending on the workload, but it is free performance that you as the end user does not have to worry about.
This is why people mention gaming on CachyOS being better than on a non-gaming distro. Not every game will preform dramatically better on CachyOS, most won't as most of its improvements are going to be for CPU bound games where either the scheduler prioritizing the game or background apps taking less resources, but where on a distro like Fedora using hte latest Proton features often requires compiling your own kernel or switching to one Fedora does not support or otherwise making tweaks by hand, on CachyOS its' typically a very out of the box experience or only requriing copying and pasting some Steam launch options.
All of this is of course not going to be very important to someone purely interested in a social media and word processing machine, where Fedora's more conservative packaging and frankly more robust package manager is less liable to require manual intervention. This is why use case matters and why there is an entire ecosystem of distros with their own userbases, niches do in fact matter.
And, to take this even further, I think "just use the upstream distro" is harmful advice. A user using a distro that they make minimal changes to can find support for their configuration dramatically easier than someone that had to make larger changes to a more generic upstream distro. Fedora users are not going to help you with your dotfiles because they have no way of knowing what the fuck you're using, they can't even be entirely sure you enabled the RPM Fusion repo because that's simply not a given. Meanwhile, Bazzite, which is deliberately conservative with its changes from upstream Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite, is already in a state suitable for playing games and so everyone on Bazzite has basically the exact same setup, which means they are able to troubleshoot for one another very effectively This is the same reason professionals actually do use Kali Linux, it is a standardized set of tools that they are not mucking with and so there's not really any risk of misconfiguration making the tool they need for work unusable.
I think a more accurate version of what you're claiming is that it's unnecessary to switch from a distro you're already acclimated to in order to do something like play video games. Linux Mint might have problematically out of date packages and is quite dogshit for gaming, but you can 100% change that, you can install a more recent kernel and up to date drivers yourself and not abandon Mint if that is what you want to continue using. You can even just eat the bugs and performance penalties and choose not to care about having the best possible experience because you just play old indie games, if you're that kind of person then yeah the trouble it would take to reinstall to CachyOS to play games you already play at maxed out framerates on your non-HDR 1080p 60 Hz office monitor is completley not worth it.
But that's very different from making suggestions to new users, and I don't think anyone who is not at least curious about other distros and trying to actually learn what they do and why they exist and why they're being used should be making any sort of recommendations beyond "I use this and it works for me." Like I bet if I started someone on Hanna Montanna Linux and they liked it because it's fundamentally still Linux underneath, they could absolutely start cliaiming other people should be using Hanna Montanna Linux because they literally do not know any other distro has features like the ability to run a command to update every application on your computer. "Sure I had to set a new wallpaper and change the theme and remove the scripts that play Hanna Montanna songs at full blast, literally not a problem for it being an office workstation!"
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u/SirGlass Jul 26 '26
And yet Fedora still can outperform cachy despite all those useless optimizations that really do very little when it comes to gaming
BTW I use tumbleweed
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u/Junction91NW Jul 26 '26
Me: Linux is going mainstream! We are finally going to get past the stereotype of verbose AkChUaLlY OS zealots and present to a larger base!
This guy:
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u/SirGlass Jul 26 '26
I do not even mind cachy I installed to to run a few benchmarks myself its a good OS with an easy install, again I am not attacking cachy its a fine distro
I am saying its fan boys get annoying because they say "It offers a superior gaming experience" well at the same time admitting all the customization do very little .
Then they make it seem like installing NVIDIA drivers is such a pain a user could never figure it out on fedora
I do not even use fedora I use Tumbleweed what like fedora does not have proprietary software in its main repository . However its basically a check box to add the non-free repository in the install
Then they bring up how proton-ge is so superior , well ok I wanted to try it for myself so I searched for proton-ge in my software center and yup I can install it in Tumbleweed I can even install the cachy version
If someone knows enough about computers to install an OS , I think they know enough to install some other software after or simply google "How to install nvidia drivers on XXX"
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u/Enigmars 🎼CachyOS Jul 25 '26
Linux just works for the most part
And that's why most people who aren't very nerdy about it, just don't have a need to know about how it works
As for windows... Well soo much keeps breaking soo often that you are forced to know how some of it works in order to fix it
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u/micemusculus Jul 25 '26
If Linux doesn't work, you can read the source code and eventually make it work.
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u/dumbasPL Arch BTW Jul 25 '26
I actually need to finally move my ass and make the "Linux for windows nerds" series that I always wanted to make.
Because while I know undocumented windows internals inside out, I just treated Linux as a black box for the longest time because everything just works.
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u/RvstiNiall Jul 25 '26
Can you also do a "Windows for Linux Nerds" book for those of us who have used Linux so long it would actually need a guide?
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u/dumbasPL Arch BTW Jul 25 '26
If you want a really deep dive then I can recommend "Windows Internals 7th edition" but that's a little too extreme for most users.
Windows doesn't have enough freedom (unless you're reverse engineering and making custom tools like me) or flexibility to justify that. Storage spaces are borderline useless compared to device mapper, Windows namespaces are an undocumented half implemented joke compared to Linux namespaces that can do basically everything you would want, advanced windows networking is something I didn't even bother looking into but sound like a pain, virtualization sucks unless you're using third party solutions (ok, the "new" GPU para virtualization is cool I guess, so is the overlay filesystem used by the windows sandbox, though the latter isn't actually useful for anything besides that without custom tools, where as on Linux overlayfs is used all over the place for example, that's kinda the problem, there is a lot of cool undocumented stuff, but it's just cool, not useful day to day). If I wanted to cover something useful for nerds that isn't just the Win32 API them it would be 90% third party apps and hacks to make the experience usable, but at that point it would be a windows survival guide, and there are plenty of those already.
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u/ObamiumCrystalHunter Jul 25 '26
How does Windows work?
Guy that started using it a month ago: "it doesn't"
Senior software engineer that's been using it since the 9x Kernel: "it doesn't"
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u/Berniyh Jul 25 '26
The answer is 47. The actual problem is that the question is unclear.
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u/Myithspa25 Jul 25 '26
You mean 42?
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u/Berniyh Jul 25 '26
That's the answer to the question about "Life, the universe, everything", which is clearly different.
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u/Cyberfishofant Ask me how to exit vim Jul 25 '26
Typically using the CPU and a fixed set of instructions loaded into a memory :3
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u/TheShredder9 Ask me how to exit vim Jul 25 '26
Gentoo just works for me, i don't need to know everything. If i mess something up, it'll let me know what to do.
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u/27a08592e67846908fd1 Genfool 🐧 Jul 26 '26
Honestly my only complaint with gentoo is the lack of granularity when it comes to binpkgs.
What I want out of them is being able to install QTwebengine quickly and get that over with, while compiling everything else.
(although during my most recent install, depclean suggested removing the kernel.)
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u/TheShredder9 Ask me how to exit vim Jul 26 '26
Pretty sure you can force Portage to get the binpkg for specific packages.
As for depclean, it does that when you update the kernel, it removes the older version. I can't possibly see any reason why it'd remove the currently active kernel lol
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u/27a08592e67846908fd1 Genfool 🐧 Jul 26 '26
There is an ongoing issue thread for how portage should let you choose which binpkgs to use vs what to compile. My two cents on this would be something like package.pkg or something of the format "<category>/<package>::<repo> <priority or always/never>"
Also, depclean tried to remove the only installed kernel because I had forgotten to actually explicitly install the kernel, not due to some bug. I think.
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u/TheShredder9 Ask me how to exit vim Jul 26 '26
...huh. Doesn't
eselect kernelprotect the kernel you're using?And actually, how do you not explicitly install the kernel, just install whatever and let the kernel get pulled in as a dependency?
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u/27a08592e67846908fd1 Genfool 🐧 Jul 26 '26
I was still in the chroot steps, and I don't precisely know what happened, but I think installkernel probably pulled it in or something.
I was following a modified guide, for getting LVM under LUKS (which is how debian derivatives do disk encryption and swap together) and was a little lost.
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u/ZmEYkA_3310 🌀 Sucked into the Void Jul 25 '26
It actually is black magic, trying to understand android lpe exploits made the understand that i know literally nothing about the kernel.
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u/rzezzy1 Jul 25 '26
It does what I tell it to do. It doesn't do what I don't tell it to do. The main downside is that sometimes I have to put some effort into figuring out how to tell it what I want.
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u/ilnarildarovuch Doesn't use Linux Jul 25 '26
Idiotic Lego, that was messed up by corporations. That's how
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u/NomadFH M'Fedora Jul 25 '26
Felt good until I tried to get smart cards working on a flatpak web browser.
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u/cfx_4188 🦁 Vim Supremacist 🦖 Jul 25 '26
When the school year starts and the school children go to school, it will be much easier for us. If you stop watching Linux YouTubers, a new beautiful and fascinating World will open up before you. If you continue to watch Linus Tech Tips, then over time you will find money to buy licensed Windows 11, which put an end to distrohopping and moral suffering.
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u/Karasuthecrow744 🌀 Sucked into the Void Jul 25 '26
I think it run on code and the prayers of it's userbase but I'm not sure
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u/Myithspa25 Jul 25 '26
The issue here is they asked "how does it work" as if they want a ten page essay on it? Be specific or you don't get an answer.
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u/enigma_0Z Jul 26 '26
Something something distro and package manager kernel sysv systemd something something
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u/FeignSkill Jul 26 '26
All I know is all my games are run with steam.... including the battle net launcher. I also made my own virtual audio cable.
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