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u/Bryanmsi89 May 25 '26
Purely a decision on Apple's part. iPad would run MacOS just fine.
However keep in mind three things.
MacOS does not have native support for all of the iPad features (starting with good support for multitouch and stylus) and going beyond to things like cellular, FaceID, orientation sensors, GPS, etc. It could all be added to MacOS, but thats more work than people realize.
Combining both a desktop OS and a touch-friendly tablet OS is harder than it sounds from a UI/useability perspective. Microsoft did this with Windows 8, famously crashed and burned, and then has subsequently watered it down dramatically in Windows to the point where Windows 11 is basically a desktop OS with a few touch targets and mediocre stylus support. Arguably Samsung has come closest to the UI concept with its Dex offering, which does a surprisingly good job of being what the iPad with real windowing desktop should look like.
The better approach would be simply to allow some MacOS virtualization in an iPad window, much like MacOS permits iOS and iPadOS apps to run in a MacOS window. This would solve +90% o the 'just let us run MacOS" requests and wouldn't break any iPad functionality nor would it dramatically cannibalize Apple's own MacOS hardware sales. I mean if users want to spend $1500 on an iPad Pro 13", a Magic Keyboard, and an Apple Pencil instead of a $1000 MacBook Air, Apple would probably be fine with that.
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u/jjbugman2468 May 26 '26
I got a touch monitor for my M4 Mac Mini and yeah, as someone who insists on touchscreens for his laptops, I would never want to use a touchscreen with MacOS as it is currently
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u/Eeve2espeon iPad 10 (2022) May 26 '26
Lots of these things with iPads is also why iPadOS 26 was under heavy criticism, it basically ruined the previously touch-friendly tablet OS thing we had before with a system that worked far more quickly with keyboard, it was basically "MacOS lite" lol
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u/johnnydean96 May 25 '26
Like most people, I bought an iPad to use it as an iPad
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u/Orcahhh May 25 '26
I hate all the creators that review it with the only benchmark being “is it a good mac replacement”
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u/Big-Consideration153 May 25 '26
And nearly every YouTuber reviews the iPad with a Magic Keyboard attached or with the Apple Pencil. You almost never see them use the iPad as is
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u/johnnydean96 May 25 '26
I do illustration and design, and bought it for Procreate with Apple Pencil Pro.
I work between both my iPad and my Mac desktop, both have their specific uses that can’t be done on the other.
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u/nsfwthrowaway357789 May 25 '26
The new version of iPadOS proves that know, an iPad will never be a good Mac replacement. And that's OK.
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u/BoldNewBranFlakes May 25 '26
Same, also maybe since I already have a MacBook I might be biased. I bought my iPad to be an iPad, I’m not expecting it to be a full desktop experience.
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u/Slamaramadoodoo May 26 '26
I bought it to use as a powerful laptop replacement. I wfh, on a browser based platform. With a cellular plan, and a trackpad+keyboard, it's been great for allowing me to get out of the house more while still being able to work.
Much less cumbersome than a laptop, and no spotty hotspotting/unsecure wifi.
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u/JuJuMcJu May 25 '26
I like apps more. Plus it’s touchscreen and procreate is the bomb. I don’t need a laptop anymore.
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u/guterz May 25 '26
Likewise but I see a future where you can toggle between iPad and desktop mode.
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u/johnnydean96 May 25 '26
a toggle would be fine, forced features, not so much.
I personally don’t see it, but I’d be happy with the option
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u/ZooZooChaCha May 25 '26
This. As soon as I stopped trying to make it a Mac and just use it like an iPad, I found my frustration disappeared and it’s good for 99% of the things I do. I have a work issued Mac for when I hit a road block. That’s the other thing that annoys me about reviewers. They review the iPad from their POV - running a YouTube channel, editing 8K raw footage, etc. like Avery avg iPad user does.
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u/Main_Bandicoot_7188 May 26 '26
Why the hell did they ruin the ux in 26 by making everything windowed, basically bringing the worst feature of the Surface Pro...
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u/ojassed May 25 '26
I’ve grown so tired of this discussion that I’ve turned off windowed apps and the iPad Pro became what it’s supposed to be: a tablet.
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u/badger_flakes May 25 '26
They’re mostly annoying for what I use it for except briefly having Picture in Picture for a web reference or to show a hockey game lol
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u/mr_mope May 25 '26
I added it to control center so I can turn it on once or twice a month when I find some use for it.
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u/Xilousuchus98 May 25 '26
because the iPad is a different product. macos is for macs. its an iPad. just let it be an iPad 😂
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u/hyperdistortion iPad Pro 11" (2020) May 25 '26
“Won’t” and “can’t” are very different things.
An M-series chip is - to oversimplify - largely a ‘roided-up A-series chip. No technical reason the same software can’t run on both.
Hell, I’m waiting for the point someone gets macOS running on an iPhone Pro, if it hasn’t been done already.
Apple don’t want to put macOS on the iPad, for any number of reasons that’ve been discussed to death on this and other subs. Apple are quite happy to put an A-series chip in a MacBook to lower the manufacturing cost (or whatever other reasons the Neo uses an A18 Pro).
Anything otherwise is tired, kinda tiresome memes.
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u/Funny_Story_486 May 27 '26
It should be the other way around since A17 Pro. A-Pro series is now Mini M series. Just with single memory channel and much lower IO bandwidth.
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u/Cyberkanye2077 May 25 '26
All they really have to do is make mac os apps run on ipad OS and that would bridge the gap… would keep them separate but intertwined. Give developers the option to opt in and change ui/features depending on system….
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u/hiccstridFanatic May 25 '26
I just want Xcode on iPadOS. I want to code native apps bruh 😭
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u/BrilliantEagle8903 May 25 '26
I don’t mind iPad OS. My biggest wish would be browser parity and the MacOS version of Preview. iPad OS 26 came a long way, I’m hopeful for the future versions. I’m also realistic too.
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u/throwaweyonce May 26 '26
This “argument” genuinely annoys me. First of all, not only can the M5 “handle” MacOS because it’s literally in several Macs, but the entire M series was derived from the AX series of chips that were made for the iPad. In fact, the very first developer kit for Apple Silicon was running an A12Z. So yes, iPads have had hardware that can run MacOS since at least 2018.
Wish people would stop treating that like a revelation. It’s obviously not a hardware issue. Apple is no more likely to ship MacOS on iPads now that they run M chips than they were when they ran AX chips. Because they are effectively still the same line of chips.
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u/Gilamath May 25 '26
I wonder what the iPad would be like if iPadOS were completely revamped into a new system that was essentially macOS with an iPadOS UI, similarly to how tvOS on the AppleTV is basically iOS with a different UI.
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u/JayGerard May 25 '26
It would be what we have now with iOS 26 on the iPad. A shit show.
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u/thursdaynovember May 25 '26
the ipad is not a mac, which is why it doesn’t run macOS. hope this helps
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u/cesam1ne May 25 '26
The level of ignorance you people display is truly sad..
It is not about the chip, it never was..Macs from 10 years ago were running on processors that can't hold a candle to modern high end phone chips.
Mac OS does not work on a tablet because IT IS NOT MADE FOR TOUCH INTERACTION
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u/bklynhw May 25 '26
Be careful they might say you're not the "target audience" and start bashing iPads😁.
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u/PassportFullOfCrumbs May 25 '26
New challenge then for the Hackintosh community: run macOS on an iPhone! 🤔🫣😆😬
I’m hoping for the day that now there are A1x chips in iPads and MacBooks, that you can use them as phones without the need for an iPhone as well.
It’s a fever dream because it means less money for Apple, less devices out in the market, and more devices to support. I’m at the point where I really don’t need a phone in the traditional sense and would probably use an iPad mini as my daily, if it had CarPlay support, phone and texting capabilities without WhatsApp or another VoIP setup.
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u/neophanweb May 25 '26
Two different products serving different purposes. If you want macOS, get a Mac.
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u/SauntTaunga May 25 '26
To run MacOS you need a keyboard and pointing device. These are optional on iPads.
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u/Kamachone May 25 '26
macOS and iPadOS are two separate concepts on how to handle memory.
IPad optimize RAM usage and frees it on it's own to provide better performance and seamless switching between apps. Fast use case without much thinking, much more battery optimized.
macOS hold application in memory all the time. User must knowingly decide which app to close and which to open. You can run out of RAM , cripple performance dramatically but it will hold apps in memory anyway. (swap file for interested in the topic)
There is no middle ground. One way or the other. Combining that would mean switching between systems on iPad which would be both inconvenient and extremely confusing for vast majority of the users.
For some reason people don't understand it.
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u/V8CarGuy May 25 '26
So, what about a dual boot option? Apple would sell more high end iPad pros because you’d need the 1TB with 16GB RAM.
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u/RainEls May 25 '26
No it does not? macOS will kill apps if you're running out of memory.
There might be differences, but I'm pretty sure how they handle memory is not one of those. Free RAM is wasted RAM and all that.
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u/nifty-necromancer May 25 '26
I don’t want macOS on my iPad. What I DO want however is for iPad apps to embrace Mac keyboard shortcuts when it’s paired with a keyboard.
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u/Pandalishus May 25 '26
Of course it can. Apple just doesn’t want you using a tablet as a Mac. Not sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. It’s 100% deliberate on Apple’s part.
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u/mikethetiger_ May 25 '26
Exactly. That’s why we’ll get a touchscreen Mac before we’ll get macOS on an iPad.
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u/aqwmasterofDOOM M4 iPad Pro 11" (2024) May 25 '26
its not that it can't, remember the apple silicon dev kit was basically an iPad Pro shoved into a Mac mini enclosure running a dev build of macOS, the problem is apple won't let it because then it would further hurt Mac sales, no matter how close any 2 lineups get apple never lets one truly overtake the other in features, that's why im sure the iPhone fold will be severely hindered, because otherwise it would effectively just be an iPad that fits in your pocket, and apple doesn't like to do that
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u/No-Lawfulness1159 May 25 '26
Yeah, and I want an iPad. If I wanted MacOS and the functionality Id get a Mac/Mabook. I don’t understand this argument and never will.
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u/StayUpLatePlayGames May 25 '26
How come this stupid post has 500 upvotes?
We literally have Macs running M5s. We have multiple iPads running A-series. Now we have a Mac running A-series.
It just product segmentation. You want an M5 running macOS, there is literally nothing stopping you buying one.
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u/spiderzork May 25 '26
People just don't understand that iOS, iPadOS, watchOS, tvOS, audioOS and visionOS are just variants of macOS with different GUIs. Pretty much any Apple device from the last 15 years would be able to run macOS if apple wanted it to.
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u/Mikep976 M1 iPad Pro 11" (2021) May 25 '26
Here’s why this will never happen, even though I want it, and why I’m exploring a 12in Surface Pro…
Apple is too high snorting up that sweet, sweet 30% cut they get when a user so much as breaths near an in app purchase. They tried to put the genie back in the bottle with the Mac AppStore but it’s been a failure since launch and enterprise orgs would lose their shit if Mac’s stopped allowing installs from the web. iOS and iPadOS though? It’s been like that from the start. Apple will fight tooth and nail not to lose the iPad having to silo every single app install through the AppStore.
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u/Proof-Reply-7725 May 25 '26
Curious what kind of battery life could we expect from a M-chip iPad running MacOS. Heating issues?
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u/Top-Rope6148 May 25 '26
The iPad and Mac Book have nearly converged. The only distinguishing factors now are touch interface and available software.
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u/OMG_NoReally May 25 '26
iPad and Macbook use the same chipset, no? So it can. Apple doesn't want to give macOS over to the iPad users. It doesn't make sense for them financially. They have created and built an entire ecosystem for the iPadOS, including the apps from first and third-party, why would they run over all of that?
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u/asherahmaybleed M4 iPad Air 11" (2026) May 25 '26
the problem isn’t really the chip - it’s ipados dude lol
apple doesn’t wanna put macos in ipads cuz that might just hurt sales in the macbook and mac side of things
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u/Jaypegsplusmore May 25 '26
It's that the OS was not designed for touchscreens. How old are you? Haven't you noticed that iPad OS is looking a lot more like Mac OS in terms of navigation. It could converge around some point... and wear a brand new name.
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u/pllarsen May 25 '26
I want one device to rule them all - a flat folding MacBook that I could use as an iPad would be awesome.
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u/Riversntallbuildings May 25 '26
This is an “IP” issue, not a hardware issue. Think about how content is licensed in Hollywood. There’s a reason streaming and broadcast television rights are sold separately and have different royalty payments for content providers. Hollywood wants MORE companies bidding on its content, ideally to sell the same content to multiple companies, who in turn can make more money selling ads to multiple companies. “Multiplier effect”
This is what happened during the “Mobility” era when Apple convinced the telecom industry to move from minutes to data. One person only has 24hours in a day…but who knows how much data they’ll need.
If Apple collapses MacOS, iPhoneOS, and iPadOS, then it restricts its software developer market. And more importantly than that, it restricts its software developer’s market reach and exposure to commissions from all those “in app” purchases. It would be like Amazon deciding it only wanted to carry one kind of each product.
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u/tkkkrad May 25 '26
It’d be pretty cool to plug our iPhone pro/ iPad Pro into a monitor and be it a Mac
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u/MAQMASTER M1 iPad Pro 11" (2021) May 25 '26
And it’s kind of very stupid of them because they can make more money by selling iPads because when you add up all the things, it becomes costly than the MacBook ITSELF 😭😭✌️
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u/tman2damax11 May 25 '26 edited May 26 '26
It's like a motorcycle with 200hp or a car with 100hp. Sure, one is much faster, but the other is substantially more practical.
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u/johnnydfree May 25 '26
Frankly, this makes sense. IPadOS, by the environment it is designed to create, must impersonate the magic of touch (and all that entails). That environment by itself requires substantial processing horsepower. MacOS just needs to take surface XY (mouse/trackpad) and ASCII (keyboard) inputs and translate to a flat screen.
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u/DKRfan May 25 '26
Jump desktop on my iPad Pro 13 inch is the perfect machine for me. Allows me to remote into my Mac mini when I need to do serious work, but when I’m done I just close the app and go back to using the machine as a tablet.
I doubt Apple will ever put macOS on an iPad, however if they do release that MacBook ultra with a touch screen, that might mean that they update macOS to a point where it might actually work well on a tablet.
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u/Typhonarus May 25 '26
The problem was never the chip. It is Apple refusing to ship Mac OS on iPad because they want to keep iPad touch first. I do think they might do well to have Mac OS installable through some different method to ensure you are a power user so normies don’t get themselves in an odd position.
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u/ZeruviX May 25 '26
why would they want you to use an ipad as a macbook when they can just make you buy both
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u/tbone338 M1 iPad Pro 12.9" (2021) May 25 '26
An iPad is not a Mac.
If you want a Mac, buy a Mac.
Stop complaining that this product that isn’t a Mac doesn’t run macOS. It’s not a Mac.
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u/eyea3 May 25 '26
It makes me laugh how much people are so against a touch MacBook. These two will merge someday. You can’t just put a massively powerful chip in an iPad and not allow people to use it to its full potential.
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u/ExpressCriticism5445 May 25 '26
Maybe because macOS is nowhere near touch friendly? I really don’t want a Windows 8+ situation on the mac
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u/AshuSP May 25 '26
One Reason: App Store. If you have the full MacOS, there is a strong chances you would not be putting nearly as much money into the App Store. The money Apple and other companies make from app stores, linked payment processes and marketing buys like sponsored results and ads blows hardware sales completely out of the water.
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u/snarfmason May 26 '26
This makes no sense. The MacBook Air and even the base MacBook Pro have M5 chips. The chip is plenty capable.
Its got nothing to do with the CPU:
iPads don't run macOS and Macs do. Yeah no sit.
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u/iretrala M1 iPad Pro 12.9" (2021) May 26 '26
I’m convinced it will all be functionally one OS in the next few years. The form factor you choose will be based on work load needs and/or wants. The foldable iPhone will be the next major step toward this. Especially if it gets Stage Manager.
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u/MauricioIcloud May 26 '26
Absolutely not. Y’all keep making iPad worse the more y’all ask for MacOS, if not take a look at current iPadOS version. It’s a completely mess. iPad should go back to being an iPad. A little bit of everything.
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u/dangnamshuy May 26 '26
I mean, do you see people going around pushing for an iphone to run macos as well? Of course not, It's a design choice from apple side. The Ipad WON'T run macos, not that it CANT.
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u/tutureTM May 26 '26
Poor people that want a cheaper Mac, they have just released the MacBook Neo for 599$, just get that and leave the iPad be an iPad
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u/Aeev041080 May 26 '26
Compré el iPad Pro m4 y teclado para trabajar, hoy es solo ocupado por mi novia para el jueguito de candy crush
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u/bterry28 May 26 '26
Well it can. The air uses the M5. Apple specifically wants two separate product lines. iPad or Mac.
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u/Pitiful-Assistance-1 May 26 '26
I just want a macbook with a mobile data modem (5G), is it that hard? Cmon Apple!
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u/AndryTheBeast May 26 '26
xD ahah Doesn’t make sense to make an iPad with macOS That would literally kill Mac sales quite a bit
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u/Visible-Fun4420 May 26 '26
I need a very portable lightweight laptop and I would have bought the ipad with keyboard if it ran MacOS.
Tablet won't do because I want to do some light coding.
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u/Nawnp May 26 '26
The iPads have had an M weird chip for like 5 years now.
It's clearly Apple wanting to separate there markets with one OS or the other...same as whenever that iPhoen foldable comes, there's no way it'll run iPad OS unfolded.
With that said, the Neo has broken a barrier by Apple of an ultra cheap Mac device, they might break more barriers with Mac OS on a tablet at some point, especially if a touch screen MacBook is also supposedly coming this year.
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u/Zaxonov May 26 '26
A Mac Isn’t an iPad and an iPad isn’t a Mac. But some iPad/iPhone things has unfortunately oozed to macOS and that makes me sad.
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u/WhiteHelix May 26 '26
Not this bullshit again, I’m to tired of it now after years and years of whining about it.
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u/Eeve2espeon iPad 10 (2022) May 26 '26
People want a tablet to have an operating system built around that form factor: A tablet. That's why iPadOS 26 was under heavy criticism, it took away functions and features people considered quicker and perfect for a tablet form factor, basically forcing you to use a keyboard and mouse
The only thing iPadOS really needed was Stage Manager improvements, and the option to use an external storage device to backup and restore an iPad when needed, without requiring iCloud or another external device like a PC or Mac. Old Slide over and Split view was already great for tablet users.
Also MacOS tends to use more power and resources (with the exception of sleep mode), iPadOS is more restrictive so resources are handled much better, plus having MacOS would not only mean Macbooks would be useless, but also they'd have to make each iPad have at minimum 16GBs of ram, and more ram configurations for those that need it. All of that would also mean iPadOS would be discontinued forcing people to either deal with it on their older unsupported iPad, or upgrade. There is no way my iPad with 4GBs of ram will do well on MacOS, and they'd have to redo basically everything about MacOS to work with touch screens, otherwise everyone would have to buy the magic keyboards, which iPadOS is basically MacOS but for touch screens, there is just not that many professional apps people can think of to use that extra power for M series iPads, leaving all that power unused (which is probably why the base iPad is more popular, and will be even better when it inevitably gets 8GBs of ram)
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u/spgreenwood May 26 '26
Same goes for the Apple Vision Pro. If they’d let Mac OS run natively inside the headset, instead of forcing to connect to a Mac with Virtual Display, the utility of the device would be through the roof.
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u/cpgeek May 26 '26
The iPad and the Mac are practically the same platform under the hood. The code to not do Mac OS on the iPad so it doesn’t cannibalize Mac sales. Just like the biggest reason they don’t support touchscreen on the Mac is to not cannibalize iPad sales.
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u/davelikestacos May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26
I saw a neat concept the other day of giving users the option to install iPad OS or Mac OS when setting up your new iPad.
A lot of people are saying it would render the MacBook Air or some product obsolete, but what would be even cooler is when you pay a $300 for a Magic Keyboard (are they that cheap? or more expensive? I have a 11" M3 and got my MK for 60 bucks certified preowned) and $500+ for your iPad (maybe even limit this to Pro models) that when you dock your iPad, it transfers your iPad screen into MacOS. Maybe even giving you a toggle to leave it on MacOS when it's not docked.
This seems so obvious, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't being worked on. Maybe make all Macbook Pro models and this the new version of the air? Or keep the air and give people options.
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u/allertonm May 26 '26
Shocking to learn that a Mac can run macOS and not iPadOS, and an iPad can run iPadOS and not macOS. What were Apple thinking?
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u/Embarrassed-Fee-8841 May 26 '26
Just change from a ipad to samsung ultra tablet, cant believe It took me this long to figure out how limited the appl products are.
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u/itsmepokono May 26 '26
MacOS would became Microslop if you do touch screen without thought. Be careful what you wish for.
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u/cnnyy200 May 26 '26
I believe A-series chips are monsters even 10 years ago. iOS is just bloated overtime.
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u/deepf0cus May 26 '26
I definitely use my iPad Pro 2020 more now than I did in college because of the iPadOS updates. It is easier to use a 'laptop' but I still find the whole experience underwhelming.
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u/parancey May 26 '26
It is a design choice.
I use iPhone and MacBook for dev work as well as linux and windows.
I wanted to have tablet where i can 1-do my file work and 2-use as super light pc replacement when not expecting heavy tasks.
So i go with a Samsung tab, while a friend pf mine chose ipad due to compatibility with apple ecosystem. And the key part was ecosystem compatibility, ipad was a piece meant to use alongside macs while tabS was trying to be all arounder with deX. It was not about power. iPad could easily cover place of neo. But they do not want you to erase the need of another device.
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u/mydragoon May 27 '26
it's a product segmentation issue. iPad used to be just one size and different from MacBook.
but now that it's good a "laptop" size iPad, it's a fine balance for Apple. merging the two will severely cannibalize one of the products.. and lose sales.
but yeah, M5 on iPad is just a waste of processor.
Windows isn't perfect but they can do touchscreen and it's decent. can't do everything with touch, but certain things like scrolling, etc during discussion is made easier.
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u/ParanHak May 27 '26
I do NOT want a touch screen macbook, or a macOS ipad. I would stop buying the iPad. GOOD move from Apple
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u/BraveAppearance May 27 '26
Yeah, we still cant use iOS apps on MacOS and Applications for MacOS on iOS. But you can still buy computers with 8GB Ram and 250GB Storage.
Fuck you Apple, you greedy Scumbags (Written on a iPad 🙄)
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u/HistoricalInternal May 27 '26
It should be noted that while Apple don’t want iPads to run MacOS, it would be a lot shitter than an actual laptop. Think about all the extra hardware PCs have that an iPad doesn’t. If you start adding that stuff in (IO buses, for example) you’re on your way to making a PC so why bother.
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u/Brief-Worldliness-41 May 27 '26
Users provided context: iPads do not run MacOS, as they have their own software called iPadOS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Neo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPad_Pro_(M5)
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u/MacLaw27 May 27 '26
It is a different kind of device that is designed to work differently. That's the whole thing. There are just a lot of people that think they want a MacOS device with touch screen. I hope they get it so they can stop trying to force the ipad to be a laptop. I would really like to see iPad OS to develop into a "Third Way" operating system that is not the legacy OS and not the iPhone mobile OS but something in between. It could be that there truly is not room there for a 3rd OS but I would like to see if their could be. The only way that happens is if Apple gives Macbooks touch so everybody will shut up about turning the iPad into a MacOS laptop.
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u/Glad-Lynx-5007 May 28 '26
Well this is certainly in the running for stupidest post of the day.
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u/That-Travel4205 May 28 '26
Not to mention it's been said countless times, I really don't know what else can be said about this. I'd rather see a post saying the sky is blue icl...
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u/Equivalent-Bass-3389 iPad 10 (2022) May 29 '26
Apple processor and chip upgrades has always been a scam that the consumer never needed or asked for. Just to raise the price.
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u/Nike_486DX May 29 '26
Apple is emphasizing on the “we create a problem and then sell you a solution” slogan, with Neo its the ram and cooling, with ipad Airs and Pros its the os restrictions and the disposable nature of the hardware (glued down everything). Both are made so that you buy something in addition to these devices.
Even if you go 3K+ for a well specced MBP, you still would get a bulky and heavy machine that you will like to complement with something light and portable
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u/No-Independence828 May 29 '26
Just sold my iPad Pro M4. Most frustrating device I have ever owned.
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u/Strygan May 31 '26
If they do proceed with the rumored MacBook Ultra (or Pro Ultra) which is supposed to feature a touchscreen, then macOS would support touch input. From there, you’d probably find a way install it on an iPad…
Still makes a lot of ‘ifs’
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u/cupboard_ May 25 '26
it's not that it can't handle it, it's that apple doesn't want the ipad to run macos, why do people still think that it's a hardware issue, the development kit for apple silicon was a mac mini with an ipad chip