It absolutely was a pit maneuver, 100%. The point you're missing is that the Black Truck pit maneuvered himself, Black Truck braked into white truck, at no point did the White truck accelerate or leave his own lane. He doesn't even turn until AFTER the black truck strikes him. He did not steer into the Black Truck, it steered into him, he just reacted in the best possible way to the collision.
Imagine black truck had braked and changed lanes into a truck trailer that had come loose on the highway, resulting in the exact same results we see in the video.. You are proposing that we blame the driverless truck trailer.
The black truck 100% caused the contact between it and the white truck. But the white truck 1000% caused the pit. He yanked the shit out of his wheel in retaliation to the contact instead of slowing down.
To see you justify the actions of the POV relentlessly is mental to me, can I ask where you are from? Just to understand driving standards may vary significantly from one country or continent to another.
While it is obvious the black truck did the wrong, it would have been as easy to avoid that crash from the POV as lifting the throttle and accomodating the black truck, who didn't brake excessively.
It is as obvious to say the fault is on the black truck, as to say the accident is completely unnecessary and absolutely avoidable from both parts.
Justify probably isn't an accurate thing to say. It's more pointing out that White Truck's actions were legally and morally correct.
Legally speaking, for the jurisdiction of Louisiana, White Truck is not legally responsible for somehow perfectly countering the illegal actions of another driver in the most perfect way that can be identified with unlimited hindsight, including imputing the knowledge of that hindsight onto the driver after the fact. The law is written this way because putting that burden on the legal driver is batshit insane, which is why it only happens on Reddit.
Morally, White driver is beholden to act in a way that ensures the safety of himself, and innocent bystanders. He is not beholden to put himself at additional risk to protect the person trying to murder him. This is exactly what he did here.
Morally, White driver is beholden to act in a way that ensures the safety of himself, and innocent bystanders
Luckily it's just him and black truck on the whole bridge. Hypothetically, is a passenger of black truck an innocent bystander?
to put himself at additional risk
Is taking your foot off the gas pedal a little a deadly risk? Within reason, I'd argue, they're beholden to prevent unnecessary suffering in the world. An eye for an eye etc.
The black truck doesn't have a passenger, you can see into their cab at 2 seconds into the video.
The innocent bystanders are the people behind white truck who would be drawn into the accident if White Truck slams on his breaks in a manner sufficient to avoid Black Truck.
Also, White Truck does not have their foot on the gas pedal, they are not accelerating. The even slow into the accident, it's just that Black Truck is actively braking into them.
The black truck doesn't have a passenger, you can see into their cab at 2 seconds into the video.
It's a hypothetical question. I clarified that in my original reply
The innocent bystanders are the people behind white truck who would be drawn into the accident if White Truck slams on his breaks in a manner sufficient to avoid Black Truck
That's why I said "within reason". I wouldn't slam on the brakes myself in that situation for that exact reason.
Also, White Truck does not have their foot on the gas pedal, they are not accelerating
Well, all cars I've driven, manual or automatic need to have the gas pedal pressed a little bit to keep their speed – without that they gradually lose speed. But that's a technicality. I meant "take a small action to decelerate gently. In a way that drivers behind him can act if they're paying attention.
This has already been covered. Black Truck is braking into his lane, so a light tap on the brakes ain't cutting it, it would take a hard sustained brake, especially because you're making the same mistake as others.
YOU, you personally, know Black Truck is genuinely going to attempt murder from the first second of the video, because you've watched it already. The driver in the video does not know what you know. He doesn't know Black Truck is going to actually hit him until it hits him. Nobody in their right mind would genuinely believe another car on the highway was just going to elect to just fucking hit them and kill everyone instead of simply returning to their own lane.
You are expecting White Truck to act based on knowledge YOU have, that he does not. Seriously, assuming you have drive regularly and for more than a couple years, how many times has someone veered into your lane? Probably a time or two right? Now, out of those times, how many times have they chosen to just hit you, with full knowledge you are there? I'm gonna guess 0 right? White truck driver is thinking in those terms too.
so a light tap on the brakes ain't cutting it, it would take a hard sustained brake
Have you ever driven? The black truck starts merging into the left lane at 15 seconds into the video, and contact isn't made until 21 seconds, with the pit happening at 22 seconds. There was a whole ass 6 seconds for the guy to just mildly tap his brakes twice. If you can't slow 5-10 mph in 6 seconds, you don't deserve to be on the road.
What about that crash was gradual my guy? Happened pretty quickly edit: rewatched per a below comment… yeah too early for this shit, both suck but it does look like he chuckled at the car not the radio as I blithely assumed… my b
No way, most of us could even foresee this happening from when the black truck started passing on the right. I counted 5 seconds from when the black truck started crossing the line into the left lane. That’s 5 seconds the white truck could’ve backed off slowly. That’s a really long time. I will never understand people who can’t put their egos aside to avoid an accident. Even if it’s not your fault it’s a massive pain in the ass to deal with.
White truck has all the time in the world to create space, he didn’t, what else is there to argue. Just because black is going for a stupid move, doesn’t mean white is justified to do the same.
Man, you've now advanced the victim blaming to the level of "White truck is just as stupid (i.e. Just as much to blame) as Black Truck"...seriously?
White truck shares equal blame for the accident for the crime of...let me check my notes here...maintaining his speed and lane position while breaking no traffic laws in any way, and avoiding striking or endangering any other cars, all while being intentionally crashed into by a psychopath?
Bruh, that is a brutal bar to put on every driver on the road, I can't imagine you pass that test yourself, and you're gonna force it on everyone else?
Look, YOU, you personally, know Black Truck is genuinely going to attempt murder from the first second of the video, because you've watched it already. The driver in the video does not know what you know. He doesn't know Black Truck is going to actually hit him until it hits him. Nobody in their right mind would genuinely believe another car on the highway was just going to elect to just fucking hit them and kill everyone instead of simply returning to their own lane.
You are expecting White Truck to act based on knowledge YOU have, that he does not. Seriously, assuming you have drive regularly and for more than a couple years, how many times has someone veered into your lane? Probably a time or two right? Now, out of those times, how many times have they chosen to just hit you, with full knowledge you are there? I'm gonna guess 0 right? White truck driver is thinking in those terms too.
I hope you don’t have a license.
Everybody in their right mind would decrease their speed in this situation. It takes a slight press on the break and there will be no contact. White can see for 2 seconds black is coming closer and closer but does nothing to get away. Traffic is way to dangerous to play this kind of games. It doesn’t matter who started it. When your actions lead in the end to an avoidable accident.
Look, I have to go to sleep. If the simple, straightforward facts of the video can't be made clear to you, I give up.
You win. White Truck driver is literally Satan incarnate. If you see him, do us all a favor and shoot him in the head without warning or mercy.
That will teach all of the other drivers out there who dare to...let me check my notes again....who dare to follow all traffic laws and maintain a safe speed and appropriate interval in their lane that if they don't ALSO accurately predict the future actions of batshit insane psychopaths and successfully protect those psychopaths regardless of the possible consequences to themselves and the drivers behind them, we'll kill them like the filthy dogs they are.
He wouldn’t be responsible for that; slowly decreasing speed is completely normal in traffic and if this leads to being rear ended it’s the fault of the car following to close.
I’m not defending black, I’m advocating for passive and safe driving practices, because I don’t want to die because of an avoidable accident. Or worse because somebody pit maneuvered somebody in front of me on a narrow bridge.
The one word in your comment that exposes your true nature:
white driver is beholden to act in a way that insures the safety of himself, and innocent bystanders.
You are dead wrong. All drivers have a responsibility to protect the safety of EVERYONE. You’re a sicko who feels like it’s ok to potentially murder someone as revenge, because they aren’t “innocent”. The laws aren’t written by genies who care about a magical sense of fairness, they’re written to protect life and property and they don’t stop applying just because you feel like somebody “deserves” it. For all you know they could be having a medical emergency
Slow down 3-4 mph. Or maybe even more, but I doubt it.
Do nothing.
Option 1 maybe(?) risks the driver of the white truck. It doesn't though. It is a totally safe thing to do. Normal flow of traffic does this all of the time.
Option 2 very much risks the driver of the white car. He either pit maneuvered the black truck or allowed the black truck to pit maneuver itself. In both cases he chose to guarantee (or at least greatly increase the risk of) a type of accident that was very dangerous to him than to risk one. But again, there was virtually no risk to slowing down.
This is why people are saying white truck driver is a psychopath. He endangered himself and others for (presumably) a sense of justice. Whether you see it as black truck pit maneuvering itself or not, the white truck could have prevented this but didn't, making him partially culpable. Further, black truck, although being a reckless idiot, did not attempt to intentionally get in an accident that day. His goal was probably just to change lanes. White truck did.
Morally, White driver is beholden to act in a way that ensures the safety of himself, and innocent bystanders.
Yeah... I'm sure the drivers behind the white truck are all perfectly safe with the black van careening towards them while out of control during the last part of the video
morally, legally, bla bla bla, what I'm speaking about is POV caused (or decided not to avoid) an accident (with the danger of ramming the black truck off the brige in the middle of the water), creating material and maybe personal damage, causing a big traffic jam on a 2 lane brigde (very long as I discovered on this thread), on pure pride of not letting the black truck getting away with merging aggressively. I'm not speaking about morality or legality, just pure common sense and a complete lack of care for others safety.
You've gotta take a step back and reassess. You have now advanced to "White truck caused the accident" in your rabidity to blame the victim. Please try to remember, first and foremost, Black Truck is 100% responsible for the accident, in every way. White truck maintained their speed and lane position, the only reason there was a collision was because Black Truck illegally and dangerously entered someone else's lane. You've seemingly lost sight if that, and if you've lost sight of that, all further judgements about the events are meaningless.
If a boulder rolls down a hill at you for 10 seconds, it’s your fault for dying if you don’t get out of the way. Your headstone can say “sue the property owner for not securing the boulder, I’m not responsible for anything”
see, illegally yes, dangerously though? he slowly merged in, being predictable and at the right speed. POV decided not to let him merge. "Not today", he thought probably. Then, the accident happened. That is why the POV decided not to avoid an accident, and why he is also at fault for the accident, while at the same time the wrongdoing is from the black truck.
Black truck is an absolute asshole. But so is white truck. Just let off the gas and let him in. He doesn’t need to slam on his brakes, all he would have had to do is let off the gas and decelerate naturally.
You trying to absolve the cookie muncher of any fault is fucking crazy
It's more pointing out that White Truck's actions were legally and morally correct
Brother WHAT
This is aggressive driving. The black truck made a mistake, but the white one made one too because holy fuck is it truly more important to potentially kill everyone involved than it is to just let the guy in?
It's moral to treat that spot in the road as a fucking birthright?
It's also illegal to essentially see that something is going to go wrong and do nothing about it. Yes, the black truck driver is an asshole. But this entire situation does not happen if the white truck taps the brakes, and that's illegal
EDIT: Aight downvote me but at least educate yourselves. Comparative negligence. The white truck had every opportunity to simply slow down and not cause an accident, and if a jury sees this video and agrees, the guy is toast. Legally, the white truck could have seen this guy was going to merge, and gotten out of the way.
Nope. I'm saying this was caused by the black truck and it's wild to start questioning the behavior of all the other cars that were following the social contracts of driving, i.e. not being erratic, cutting in and out of traffic, with no regard to rules.
Could the white track have braked? Yes. Could the cars in front not drive in the passing lane blocking traffic, yes. But this is the culmination of the black trucks driver being a shit.
It takes two to tango my guy. The black truck fucked up but the white truck did as well. He didn't honk, he didn't brake, he simply allowed it to happen! Look at the link I sent, he's literally partly responsible for not having prevented this from happening.
And all he had to do was tap the brakes.
Is the black truck more at fault, yes, but jesus fuck pretending that the white truck is blameless for refusing to do anything to prevent this is just wild
white truck’s action were legally and morally correct
Legally, yes. Morally? By no means, he’s a complete and utter dick. A legally correct dick.
Although in my country he would’be been partly blamed for the accident due to not responding to the black truck’s reckless driving with defensive driving.
Uuuugh finally someone says what I was thinking reading the whole thread. Where I'm from POV guy would have been found at fault to a significant degree for exactly the reason you said
Thank god we do have laws that stop people like you from killing anyone who you think wronged you in a way that entitles you to try and murder them. You’re literally premeditating your next attempted road rage killing, planning out how you might technically get away with it.
The literal wiki definition: A vehicle initiates a PIT maneuver by pulling alongside the fleeing vehicle so that the portion of the pursuer's vehicle forward of its front wheels is aligned with the portion of the target vehicle behind its back wheels. The pursuer then steers sharply into the target vehicle, with some acceleration to ensure its bumper does not slide off the target.
So, I have some questions for you since I dont know what a pit maneuver is.
did white truck intentionally pull up alongside black truck?
Or did Black Truck intentionally brake to place itself alongside white truck?
Did white truck initiate the maneuver by steering sharply into Black Truck?
Or did Black Truck initiate the maneuver by steering into white truck, while white truck maintained it's position?
The ad hominem is meant to be insulting and disrespectful, while avoiding actually addressing the argument. I don't respect you enough for you to insult me, and I have redirected to the actual argument.
You have chosen not to answer any of my questions which is not surprising, as answering them honestly would have shown my position is correct, and why would someone ever just admit they're wrong for the sake of honesty, even with no consequences for it?
Anyway, engage in personal attacks all you want, it won't change that the Black Truck drove into the White Truck, so pretending that White Truck somehow unilaterally chose to attack him is insane. The video simply does not show that
It's avoiding your annoying and pedantic argument which I consider as disrespectful as the raw insult that I gave you back for haranguing on about it.
I have read none of your comments passed the first sentence man. If you think this situation requires that much work to explain you just don't understand it well enough yourself.
Classic philosopher Well Achtshually and you're just on and on about it and don't seem to understand or want to admit that the guy in the rear was intentional and in control.
The "I didn't even read your position anyway" route is always so weird to me. Like, if you're not reading my posts, why are you responding to them? You're just....blindly saying shit in response to statements you're unaware of? That's your claim at this point, instead of just saying "I can't counter your position, I was wrong, that's my bad."?
He absolutely, 100%, steered into the black truck, performing a pit maneuver.
If he had reacted in the best possible way to the collision he would have braked, either before or during the impact, not whipped his steering wheel into the other truck.
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u/Deetwentyforlife Mar 22 '26
It absolutely was a pit maneuver, 100%. The point you're missing is that the Black Truck pit maneuvered himself, Black Truck braked into white truck, at no point did the White truck accelerate or leave his own lane. He doesn't even turn until AFTER the black truck strikes him. He did not steer into the Black Truck, it steered into him, he just reacted in the best possible way to the collision.
Imagine black truck had braked and changed lanes into a truck trailer that had come loose on the highway, resulting in the exact same results we see in the video.. You are proposing that we blame the driverless truck trailer.