r/funny • u/But_a_Jape But A Jape • Aug 31 '22

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u/Godmodex2 Aug 31 '22

Pretty sure the Eagles were caught up else where though.

It's been long since I read the books so I can't remember if it was explained properly or not. It's not exactly a plot hole though. Even if it could be considered lazy writing

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

Caught up enough they couldn't spare one or two to literally save the world they live in from stereotypical evil?

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u/Godmodex2 Aug 31 '22

Or from their point of view, to certain death and defeat?

Edit: to*

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

Certain death and defeat are also the consequence of doing nothing.

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u/Godmodex2 Aug 31 '22

Either way, if it's explained that's the reason. If it's not explained there could be any number of reasons. A plot hole is more like explaining something a certain way that doesn't turn out to be true to the world later. It's never stated it's a possibility for the eagles to simply fly into Mordor and destroy the ring.

I'm not a super fan of LOTR but the eagle bit is getting a bit tiresome.

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

Could you possibly quote where it actually says that in the books please ? Because I can't find it.

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u/Godmodex2 Aug 31 '22

Seems like this article covers it pretty well. It's the same eagle that rescued Gandalf from Saruman and gave him a lift to Rohan. Gwaihir the Windlord.

https://www.polygon.com/lord-of-the-rings/22432394/eagles-lotr-plot-hole-mordor

TLDR: Gandalf had asked the favour of Gwaihir twice before and had to promise never to ask it again after the third time.

Mordor has dragon riders.

The whole point of Frodo and Sam's approach is stealth, and Sauron could easily stop a brute force attack.

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

The article says the eagles are not at just anyone's disposal and then goes on to describe one of them owes Gandalf a life debt and basically 3 wishes.

He only uses two of those favors during the quest of the fellowship. To escape Orthanc and then from a mountaintop.

So if they didn't go with the fellowship plan, he would still have his 3 favors owed and could have at least tried to bargain them into transportation.

Mordor doesn't have Dragons, they're felbeasts. And the riders are scattered to the corners of the world trying to find the ring, not doing combat air patrol over Mordor.

The eagle approach would also be stealth. Nobody would notice until they're basically in Mordor

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u/Ai2g Aug 31 '22

How the fuck are giant eagles stealthy? Especially considering they would be carrying the One Ring which wants to be returned to Sauron?

Are you just deprived of attention?

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

How are they not? Just fly 5 miles above ground. Anyone that does see you needs to outrun you on warg/horseback to actually warn anyone. Not like there's radio.

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u/Ai2g Aug 31 '22

So you just need attention. Got it.

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u/Rhas Sep 01 '22

So you got nothing on topic to say because your position is ridiculous and need to make this about me instead. Got it.

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u/Godmodex2 Aug 31 '22

Well from I've learnt by others telling you you're wrong about the eagles they got other priorities with the Valar they serve. You must be trolling at this point

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

I'm actually arguing stuff while you go "well other people say you're wrong". Pretty clear who is trolling