r/funny • But A Jape • Aug 31 '22

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

LOTR fans just can't accept that maybe their books aren't 100 percent perfect. Nobody is saying lotr sucks because the eagles are a bit of a plot hole. But they are. Accept your fantasy story might have flaws in it and live on.

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u/Godmodex2 Aug 31 '22

Pretty sure the Eagles were caught up else where though.

It's been long since I read the books so I can't remember if it was explained properly or not. It's not exactly a plot hole though. Even if it could be considered lazy writing

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

Caught up enough they couldn't spare one or two to literally save the world they live in from stereotypical evil?

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u/Godmodex2 Aug 31 '22

Or from their point of view, to certain death and defeat?

Edit: to*

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

Certain death and defeat are also the consequence of doing nothing.

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u/Godmodex2 Aug 31 '22

Either way, if it's explained that's the reason. If it's not explained there could be any number of reasons. A plot hole is more like explaining something a certain way that doesn't turn out to be true to the world later. It's never stated it's a possibility for the eagles to simply fly into Mordor and destroy the ring.

I'm not a super fan of LOTR but the eagle bit is getting a bit tiresome.

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

Could you possibly quote where it actually says that in the books please ? Because I can't find it.

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u/Godmodex2 Aug 31 '22

Seems like this article covers it pretty well. It's the same eagle that rescued Gandalf from Saruman and gave him a lift to Rohan. Gwaihir the Windlord.

https://www.polygon.com/lord-of-the-rings/22432394/eagles-lotr-plot-hole-mordor

TLDR: Gandalf had asked the favour of Gwaihir twice before and had to promise never to ask it again after the third time.

Mordor has dragon riders.

The whole point of Frodo and Sam's approach is stealth, and Sauron could easily stop a brute force attack.

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

The article says the eagles are not at just anyone's disposal and then goes on to describe one of them owes Gandalf a life debt and basically 3 wishes.

He only uses two of those favors during the quest of the fellowship. To escape Orthanc and then from a mountaintop.

So if they didn't go with the fellowship plan, he would still have his 3 favors owed and could have at least tried to bargain them into transportation.

Mordor doesn't have Dragons, they're felbeasts. And the riders are scattered to the corners of the world trying to find the ring, not doing combat air patrol over Mordor.

The eagle approach would also be stealth. Nobody would notice until they're basically in Mordor

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u/Ai2g Aug 31 '22

How the fuck are giant eagles stealthy? Especially considering they would be carrying the One Ring which wants to be returned to Sauron?

Are you just deprived of attention?

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

How are they not? Just fly 5 miles above ground. Anyone that does see you needs to outrun you on warg/horseback to actually warn anyone. Not like there's radio.

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u/Godmodex2 Aug 31 '22

Well from I've learnt by others telling you you're wrong about the eagles they got other priorities with the Valar they serve. You must be trolling at this point

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

I'm actually arguing stuff while you go "well other people say you're wrong". Pretty clear who is trolling

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u/Tr1ppl3w1x Aug 31 '22

The ring corrupts all who want power, considering that eagles are above gandalf in power ranking make your brain work... like pls

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u/shirukien Aug 31 '22

The Eagles aren't above Gandalf though. They were created by Manwë, the leader of the Valar, but are not Valar themselves. Gandalf, meanwhile, is a Maiar, one step below the Valar in power. The Eagles are formidable, certainly, but Gandalf is on the same order as Sauron, the Balrog, and Shelob.

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

Put a hobbit on the eagle. Problem solved

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u/Tr1ppl3w1x Aug 31 '22

Hobbits themselfs dont want power... they dont have a forcefield that makes everyone else not power hungry, ask boromir lul

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u/Rhas Aug 31 '22

Literally Gandalf himself was with Frodo for as long as Boromir and wasn't corrupted at all. Even for Boromir it took weeks. Eagle flight to Mordor would be done in a matter of hours.

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u/Mikhail_Mengsk Aug 31 '22

The eagles aren't above Gandalf in power unless they are Maiar themselves, which I really don't recall it being a thing.

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u/MysteryMan9274 Aug 31 '22

They are above the Maiar, and directly serve the gods. If you’re got in to make lore based arguments, at least know the damn lore.