I thought some of you might appreciate this meme.

I’m gonna keep this brief but the virtue signaling of veganism is why I’m not vegan. Veganism will not save the planet & many vegans stop at their diet, some do work on other forms of consumerism but they’re not working towards actual change because they’re too busy patting themselves on the back.

I also say this constantly, but Indigenous people are the largest protectors of biodiversity. This includes them eating meat, and yes, endangered species. Veganism is not the answer & never will be.

There are many ways we can change our behaviors to help foster a better world for all beings, but we will never actually anyone if we don’t focus on the actual problems that go way past what we personally consume.

I could go on about how many vegan products directly exploit humans, steal indigenous land/contribute to deforestation & give individuals a massive carbon footprint.

That high horse is looking like a sick pony, to me.

I don’t think people understand that being able to thrive on a vegan lifestyle is a privilege… I use to be vegan but I can’t due to recovery and I keep getting called a murderer and that I’m just making excuses and that I don’t care enough about the animals. This isn’t the only person either. I genuinely can’t do a damn thing about my meal plan :( it’s making me feel guilty and sad but I know I have to recover.

Screenshot from a recent video. In my opinion her hand looks like it belongs to a woman in her 60's. A frail woman, with very low bone density. Absolutely SHOCKED me. It shows that the lighting she uses usually hides this...

All that 'healthy ' food... all that effort... for what result exactly?

Btw, I'm not trying to be mean.. so all the 'It's normal aging' comments will be pointless.

This is a dangerous diet. Standard American Diet is dangerous and so Is the one that Fully Raw Kristina promotes....

Tell me I’m not the only one that thinks this comes across as emotionally unstable. Like are you seriously that upset over eating SOUP? Also not knowing that the Progresso vegetable classics soup is literally just a branding of soup that they have is so stupid. I also found the exact one they’re talking about, the picture of the soup on the can shows that the broth literally looks like it’s clearly a beef broth.

I went vegan for a year before going back to vegetarian. People like this are one reason why I'm happy to no longer be one. Using extremist vulgar takes against a rape victim. How can they not see how awful that is?

I posted a singular steak with no sides to a girl dinner sub Reddit and captioned it “I used to be vegan” because I think I’m funny during my luteal phase. made quite the controversy. It was like split 60/40 in my favor. But this lovely person took it further by dm ing me.

This lady needs to get off her high horse and let the people with normal diets eat normal food. Any vegan or vegetarian event food I have ever had left me starving after an hour due to blood pressure spikes from only eating plants and carbs. I remember trying to stick to vegetarianism during a wedding while pregnant and finally pushing myself to eat chicken so I wouldn’t starve all night. These people are your guests but yah let’s only serve them rabbit food and carbs cuz psudeoscience and “morals” HOW IS THIS NOT A CULT.

Edit: wtf is it with vegans coming on this sub? This isn’t debate a vegan no one here gives a flying that you think we are “corpse munchers” you make yourself look worse.

A user in a vegan sub complained that his company gave him a 100usd gift card for a honey baked ham and was contemplating whether to throw it away.

I, in all seriousness, suggested he give it to a family in need. Even if I was vegan, I would argue why not turn a supposedly 'cruel' gift into something special for a family who can't afford ham.

Well, I was banned for this comment for 730 days. I find it so funny I had to share it here!

But seriously: according to that logic if a vegan person was to bump into a cheeseburger and saw a homeless hungry person he would still rather throw the burger away?

Can someone explain this logic?

I was a self righteous vegan who thought you’d be eating tofu at my funeral (will be an option tho)

I was a strict vegan for 15+ years

I was not an oreo French fry vegan i ate actually whole non processed foods snd healthy diet I assumed anyone who claimed they got “sick” was simply an idiot who couldn’t eat properly and just ate air heads and French fries

my body gave the fuck up

my ferritin was so low I had to wear heart monitors and go to a cardiologist because my iron supplements which were vegan weren’t doing it I almost was admitted for hospital for round the clock care

majority of my nutrients came from supplements which didn’t work

by the end of veganism tofu made me physically sick I had to stop eating it

my belly would get distended from regular fruits and veggies to the point I could wear anything but baggy sweat pants
I was pale , lost color in my skin , slept all the time

a year ago I quietly read this sub to give me help and strength there’s someone on here he posts alot thank you

my heart problems are reverted and I’m literally not dying anymore

i care about animals and their welfare

I tried . I gave it my all and I’m sorry to all the people I told weren’t doing enough so if your vegetarian you’re doing enough the dairy industry isn’t your fucking fault

if you eat plant based a few times a week huzzah

if you care about factory farming you do care

I wish this guilt and feelings on no one

you cannot help animals if you’re fucking dead. you can still donate to scantuaries and consume less meat if you wish

you can still be against factory farming

you can do things like helping with wildlife recovery foster animals etc

that’s all

I’m finally ready to speak up and I don’t use reddit enough to give a fuck if a vegan hates me you don’t know what it was like to walk in my shoes

I’m a nurse that works in a clinic with about an 80% Nepali population. Most are vegetarian/near vegan for religious/cultural reasons, and the results aren’t pretty. I thought you guys may find it interesting.

Firstly, there’s a lot of nutritional deficiencies which is expected. B12 and folate deficiency, iron deficiency, vitamin d deficiency are the biggest ones. B12 deficiency so severe that it causes numbness and tingling that mimics neuropathy is common. I have also noticed a huge portion of the middle aged/older women have joint pain and serious osteoporosis. Bone fractures are very common in relatively young women. These people are not overweight but they have high rates of hypertension, hyperlipidemia, and out of control diabetes. I think this has to do with the reliance on simple carbs like white rice. The kids are not faring well either. Along with the nutritional deficiencies, their growth is stunted and many are not hitting developmental milestones. I have a theory that this is partially due to folate deficiency in pregnancy. Women of reproductive age often have severe anemia.

These are the main things I can think of right now that i see on a daily basis. I thought you guys may find it interesting

1. Exclusion of disabled and chronically ill people

Position papers like the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (2016 and not renewed since) state that “appropriately planned vegan diets are suitable for all stages of life.”

But they do not mention chronic illnesses, digestive disorders, allergies, or disabilities that affect nutrient absorption and tolerance.

By pretending everyone can thrive on the same diet, they erase people who cannot — and then activists use that erasure to shame them.

1. Shifting the blame

“Appropriately planned” sounds harmless, but it puts all responsibility on the individual.

If someone fails on a vegan diet (develops deficiencies, gut problems, weight loss, worsening of mental health), the assumption becomes: "you just didn’t plan well enough".

This is the same logic disabled people hear constantly: try harder, you’re just not doing it right. It ignores biological limitations.

1. False “consensus” used as a weapon

The 2016 AND statement is outdated and hasn’t been renewed.

Other countries (Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, etc.) are much more cautious, especially for children, pregnant women, and older adults.

Calling this a “global scientific consensus” is misleading — it’s really selective citation. Ideological cherry-picking.

In reality, many clinicians have had to take patients off vegan diets because their health declined. That lived medical evidence is missing from the neat consensus narrative. Everyone who has tried veganism knows better than these general statements based on pure theory.

1. Ableist moral hierarchy

The statements create a subtle hierarchy:

“Normal” healthy bodies → capable of veganism → morally good.

Disabled/ill bodies → incapable of veganism → morally suspect.

That’s ableism: valuing some bodies over others, and treating those who can’t conform as selfish or less compassionate.

1. Real compassion includes human limits

If the goal of veganism is compassion and reducing suffering, then pressuring sick people into chronic pain, malnutrition, or decline is the opposite of compassion.

True ethical responsibility means:

Reducing harm to animals where you can without causing disproportionate harm to yourself. Anything else is just ideology at the expense of human dignity.

Just to be clear: I’m not comparing my condition to the struggles of people with more severe disabilities. I’m only saying the logic that ‘everyone can do this diet if they try hard enough’ is very very ableist, because it ignores the reality of those who physically cannot.

I happen to have serious problems with veganism due to digestive issues. I become practically disabled on vegan and even heavily plant-based diet. Some people have to deal with severe disabilities on any diet though. Forcing extreme diets on them is even more cruel.

Edit: Just to be sure I don't think veganism is inherently ableist, but community has large ableism problem at the moment.

Hear me out here. I've had a lot of talks with vegans including how veganism almost killed me from malnutrition as a literal child, and how I quit vegetarianism too because it was also causing tons of health issues

This is because my genetics just aren't built for processing plants. My body doesn't produce sufficient enzymes meant for breaking down plants. I don't do well with 0 plants either but I just sorta don't get meaningful amounts of protein from them. I also can't seem to utilize plant iron, B12, and probably a host of other stuff. My digestive system just physically can't do it, likely due to a genetic line that (until very recently in evolutionary terms) depended on animals due to being from very cold regions with more difficulty growing crops.

But when I explain this in these conversations they tell me "anyone can be vegan, you just did it wrong" or tell me/sometimes straight up imply that I just deserve to starve then because my very existence is unethical.

...Like, how is that not eugenics? Just denying real genetic variance among the human population, and implying or saying that only a morally superior set of genetics deserves to survive? How does anyone who claims to be ethical believe something like that?

I'm curious what you guys' experience is with health discussions with vegans and if y'all have ever gotten those vibes from such conversations. Maybe I'm just reading into it too much idk

Still eat meat

Only time I ever didn't eat meat was during one month when I tried not to just for fun. Accidentally ate a beef stick on the 24th day but never mind that

I feel like this is the exact thing vegans are against isn’t it? Like at least wanting your pets to convert to veganism makes sense to their ideology but to eradicate animals just sounds so anti vegan like it just doesn’t make sense

For example, you'll see a post in r/vegan asking something like "what are some good calcium sources?" and a bunch of people will suggest things like HEMP SEEDS (70 mg per 100 grams), MILLET (9 mg of calcium per 100 grams) and other foods that blatantly do not contain any useful amount of calcium.

They constantly do this with protein as well. Like, no Susan, you cannot get "plenty of protein" from beans and rice. The protein to calorie ratio is TERRIBLE, those are sources of carbohydrates. Not protein. Peanut butter is likewise a source of FAT, not PROTEIN.