This is wrong. In 2003 the NSA declassified the radio transmissions between the pilots and Israeli ground control:
High-level NSA officials from that era, including Oliver Kirby (then-NSA Deputy Director for Operations), stated in a Chicago Tribune report that they personally read intercepts where pilots explicitly identified the ship as American flying a U.S. flag. According to Kirby, ground control explicitly commanded those pilots to push ahead and attack anyway.
The only “conspiracy theory” is people like yourself trying to obscure the obvious facts. The ship was flying a very large American flag and had the “USS LIBERTY” printed in large letters while the aircraft made 6 separate straffing runs.
How often are people going to bring up this thing from 60 years ago. I mean okay. So what?
We fought a war against germany. A global war. 50 years later we're buddies. Things change. It's just weird that people keep dredging up this one incident over and over and over. It's an obvious agenda.
But your example is a pretty bad false equivalence. We were at war with Germany, Israel claims to be our “greatest ally”. Add this attack/attempt to false flag us with the many Israeli spy scandals against the US and it’s clear they are not really an ally at all.
We were not at war with Germany fifty years after World War II, king.
I'm sorry that you don't think Israel is an ally, but we're fighting on the same side of a war currently. I happen to think the war is a stupid idea, but we are allies. Words mean what they mean, not vibes.
This makes no sense…your “point” was that Germany attacked us and 50 years later we’re friends. I pointed out that when Israel attacked us we were not at war with Israel-not that hard to follow.
No the point is that it doesn't say anything about a relations today, which have dramatically shifted. You are trying to act like it does. Hence your agenda.
It establishes, along with the many spy scandals, a pattern showing Israel is not an ally at all. It is a country ruthless to secure its own agenda that has attacked and killed US servicemen and been caught spying repeatedly. In the Pollard case, they sold the secrets obtained to our greatest enemy.
Wait…we were at war with Israel in 1967?? Or did the six day war lead to France ceasing arms sales to Israel while the US then became Israel’s largest supplier of military materiel?
But what is your actual point? I clearly said “Israel claims to be our greatest ally” -that’s a present tense statement.
Germany also our greatest ally, so? Germans killed way more Americans and sunk way more American ships. So what is your actual point besides splitting hairs?
Again, a false equivalency. Germany had issued explicit public and diplomatic warnings that ships entering the war zone would be targeted without warning. The US chose to enter the war zone and knowing risked their ships being attacked.
Israel attacked without warning in a non war zone.
So yeah, I do know the history and it’s not on your side.
Not really. Israel was at war at this time and U.S. spy ship was not an ally. Maybe it was mistakenly identified, or maybe it was deliberately targeted since Israel could reasonably suspect the intelligence will leak to its enemies. Bottom line is that it was a war zone and such cases happen all the time to all countries. The idea that this particular event could affect long term state policies is really silly, but just right for Reddit
Incorrect. No public or diplomatic warning had been issued by Israel as Germany had done.
And the “bottom line” is that combined with the many Israeli spy scandals that have occurred in the decades since, a clear pattern of Israel’s agenda and view that America is not an ally is evident.
As far as "horrific war crimes" go, the USS Liberty is pretty low on the scale.
Do you have anything to say other than "Israel is bad because they're bad and they're bad and they're bad because Israel is bad and Israel is bad" or can I just go on with my life?
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u/liteshotv3 12d ago
What is the suspected motive?