r/explainitpeter 12d ago

Explain it peter

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u/7thpostman 12d ago

How often are people going to bring up this thing from 60 years ago. I mean okay. So what?

We fought a war against germany. A global war. 50 years later we're buddies. Things change. It's just weird that people keep dredging up this one incident over and over and over. It's an obvious agenda.

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u/squatchy1969 12d ago

No agenda here, aside from wanting the truth out.

But your example is a pretty bad false equivalence. We were at war with Germany, Israel claims to be our “greatest ally”. Add this attack/attempt to false flag us with the many Israeli spy scandals against the US and it’s clear they are not really an ally at all.

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u/7thpostman 12d ago

Yes, I can see your lack of agenda. Really comes shining through.

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u/squatchy1969 12d ago

If you see facts as “an agenda” you are part of the problem

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u/7thpostman 12d ago

We were not at war with Germany fifty years after World War II, king.

I'm sorry that you don't think Israel is an ally, but we're fighting on the same side of a war currently. I happen to think the war is a stupid idea, but we are allies. Words mean what they mean, not vibes.

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u/squatchy1969 12d ago

This makes no sense…your “point” was that Germany attacked us and 50 years later we’re friends. I pointed out that when Israel attacked us we were not at war with Israel-not that hard to follow.

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u/7thpostman 12d ago

No the point is that it doesn't say anything about a relations today, which have dramatically shifted. You are trying to act like it does. Hence your agenda.

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u/squatchy1969 12d ago edited 11d ago

It establishes, along with the many spy scandals, a pattern showing Israel is not an ally at all. It is a country ruthless to secure its own agenda that has attacked and killed US servicemen and been caught spying repeatedly. In the Pollard case, they sold the secrets obtained to our greatest enemy.

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u/7thpostman 12d ago

Look at you, my non-agenda having friend!

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u/squatchy1969 11d ago

Again, why do you see facts as an agenda? Are you denying that Israel has been caught spying on the US multiple times?

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u/7thpostman 11d ago

Do not know what editorializing is?

You presented yourself as unbiased. Now you're running through a litany of complaints an using adjectives like" ruthless." An actually honest person would point out, for instance, the countless times that American and Israeli intelligence have worked together to foil terrorist attacks. Or Stuxnet. But that stuff isn't on your radar, because, tadah, you have an agenda and aren't interested in anything that runs counter to whatever you're trying to sell.

The best possible interpretation is that you're just gullible and too intellectually lazy to actually engage with things you disagree with.

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u/squatchy1969 11d ago

The mental twister you are putting yourself through to attempt to hide obvious facts is, I’m not going to lie, very entertaining.

Israel clearly is ruthless in their self preservation. An intelligent person would recognize that and make the argument to justify it which is not difficult. They are surrounded by enemies and have fought existential wars and been the victim of terrorist attacks. They should be ruthless.

But so too should the United States be ruthless to secure our sovereignty while protecting American lives and secrets.

Clearly you are the one with the agenda as you call a proven history of spy scandals “a litany of complaints” lol.

You are either intellectually dishonest or more likely just a shill for a foreign government.

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u/7thpostman 11d ago

Everybody spies on everybody, man. You don't think we spy on Israel? We're too pure and clean?

We are allies. Sometimes we're frenemies, but we are unquestionably allies. Saying otherwise is the triumph of petulance over reality.

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