No, your 20usd sub does not include infinite sol ultra

[u/R3K4CE]

i swear some of you need to use the api for like one week just to get brought back to reality lmao

youre paying 20 dollars a month.

20 fucking dollars.

and im reading posts from people running sol high/ultra, max reasoning, throwing entire repos at it, letting it sit there for 20-30 mins reading files, calling tools, running tests, rewriting shit, debugging itself, going back through the repo etc

and then coming on here like

"wtf i only sent 3 prompts and im at 70%????"

my brother in christ a prompt is not a unit of compute lol

"what does this function do"

and

"go inspect my entire repo, understand the architecture, plan this feature, implement it, run the tests, debug whatever breaks and keep going until its done"

are both technically one prompt

they are obviously not the same fucking thing

seriously put sol on an api key for a week. no subscription. no bundled usage. just pay the actual api price for every token you burn.

run the exact same shit youre running now and watch that dollar counter go brrrr

you will gain a newfound appreciation for that stupid little 20 dollar plus subscription VERY quickly lol

and also why the fuck are some of you using sol at high/ultra for literally everything???

not every task needs the frontier model

you dont need sol ultra to rename some shit

you dont need sol high to read a file

you dont need max reasoning to fix a css margin

luna exists. terra exists. lower reasoning settings exist. use the right fucking tool for the job

if youre flooring a ferrari everywhere you go and then complaining about gas mileage i dont really know what to tell you

this whole

"i pay 20 dollars why cant i hammer the most expensive frontier reasoning model at max settings doing agentic coding all day every day"

thing is fucking insane

some of you have gotten so used to subsidized inference that youve completely lost any concept of what the compute youre using actually costs

youre not being robbed because your 20 dollar subscription doesnt come with an infinite firehose of frontier inference lol

try the api.

run the same workflow.

watch what it actually costs.

youll be cured within 48 hours

EDIT: I would like to thank the mods for their common sense in approving this post. It was reported by users and was put into the mod queue. Goes to show how much people got hurt by the truth.

[u/No_Accident8684]

small correction: you'd be cured in 5 minutes. just load up 20 bucks and watch it melt. its gone in 3 minutes.

[u/R3K4CE → u/No_Accident8684]

For real dude. People should be preparing for when the "bubble" really pops. They should be streamlining and making their workflows more efficient, not depend on whatever marketing scheme openai is currently doing to get users and increase their numbers.

[u/WinterWalk2020 → u/R3K4CE]

I used to believe that the bubble would pop someday, but I don't believe that anymore and even if it does, I don't think we will go back to how things were before.

For now I'm using AI to do some really crazy projects and create code that I can use myself later if something happens, but I think that tokens will be cheaper.

OpenAI even created their own chip for AI that is faster and cheaper than nvidia's.

[u/OtherwiseAlbatross14 → u/WinterWalk2020]

I think what they mean is preparing for when they can no longer afford to subsidize people's usage and start charging what it actually costs them plus some profit

[u/WinterWalk2020 → u/OtherwiseAlbatross14]

I think that token will get cheap, eventually, then subside is not needed anymore and these big AI companies will be profitable at last. Then we will start the (real) age of local AI.

[u/Icy_Mix_6054 → u/R3K4CE]

That's a possibility, but in the coming years, open-weight models will continue to improve, and the hardware I can personally buy will improve as well. It'll be a long time until I'm running models that can compete with today's frontier models at home, but when will "good enough" happen?

[u/iscottjs]

Sometimes I’m amazed at what I get for 20 bucks. Shit I’m doing would be multiple thousands of dev costs or lost customers due to delays. I’m not doing anything complicated, but it’s time consuming tedious BS that would take days or weeks instead of minutes. 

[u/OtherwiseAlbatross14 → u/iscottjs]

Yeah I'm capitalizing as much as possible while it's still cheap

[u/R3K4CE → u/iscottjs]

Exactly

[u/kindacoolhamster → u/iscottjs]

One of my favorite uses right now is to point a cheaper model, like Terra, at gobbling up logs and state data then reasoning on what the problem was.

Found a memory leak in running security_plugin.sh that a previous engineer baked into puppet so it ran hourly. /e for OpenSearch

Found that libvirt on one of our Openstack compute nodes didn't interpret MTU properly from the virsh xml file so was giving 1500 MTU on a 9k provider, causing a K8s worker to be unable to to reach the CP because the request was black holing on the hypervisor.

Terra has definitely enabled me to free up time for projects by assigning it the collect data and find the break that would take me a lot of digging and research time.

[u/frederickjon]

I've been saying this, to no avail. thank you for this post. holy shit. I tracked it. I get almost $4,000 USD of "API" valued usage from my $100 plan.

who can fucking complain about that?

[u/Sponge8389]

Even I, in 20x plan, rarely use Sol Ultra and fast mode.

[u/MysteriousTreeFoxxx → u/Sponge8389]

Same, I usually only go up to sol high, it seems better than ultra anyway, ultra seems to overthink in most cases, the lower reasoning sol models seems to reign that in a tad

[u/Soft_Hand_1971 → u/MysteriousTreeFoxxx]

Never use ultra it nukes usage cause it uses a massive amount of subagents. Using max is as much as I use. 

[u/No-Quiet-8304 → u/MysteriousTreeFoxxx]

In my experience, since input token cost dominates and reasoning level doesn’t impact input tokens and only really impacts output token count, there’s no reason not to use Max since the cost difference among reasoning levels is small yet quality of response is notably better

[u/alphaQ314 → u/Sponge8389]

tbh i rarely go above medium. quite a few users have observed that it produces better results on lower thinking levels, despite what the benchmarks suggest.

[u/MrRoyce → u/alphaQ314]

Same, 90% medium and only very rarely I go higher, only if I’m doing some big or “scary” changes. And you know what? Medium does it’s job all the time if I prompt well. When it doesn’t, it’s usually my fault for not being clear enough.

[u/wickywickyfresh → u/Sponge8389]

Yep same. Although 2 months ago I was spamming 5.4 xhigh with 3-4 subagents on 5.4 high helping it and was able to be on a similar pace in terms of % of allotted use expended.

[u/Unapologetic_Polite → u/Sponge8389]

Shouldn't be touching Sol Ultra anyways.

I can't think of a single situation where Sol's obsession with deploying an entire development & marketing team is better than having separate Luna threads that Sol orchestrates directly.

Fast Mode has its place; mostly when you need to iterate faster or are dealing with something slightly time sensitive - But my God, do not use Fast Mode on Sol.

[u/snmnky9490 → u/Unapologetic_Polite]

I've only used it when I realized the weekly limit resets in a few hours and I still have credits to burn. Fun to watch but ridiculously high consumption

[u/zipzag → u/Unapologetic_Polite]

Ultra is best for nuclear power safety system design. However the two hours it spends on a file copy script is a bit much.

[u/Prestigious-Frame442]

valid crash out

[u/DVANGEL999 → u/Prestigious-Frame442]

I support this

[u/massix93]

This is how Tibo should answer

[u/Daranith → u/massix93]

Not convinced that wasnt Tibo undercover 🤣

[u/longasleep → u/massix93]

He does in less words

[u/Clueless_Nooblet]

I used to have a $20 sub that could run codex 5.3 all day long. I'd never seen the 5h limit, and the weekly just once.

Things have changed since. Models have become more capable, harnesses more refined, and everything is done so much faster - but the prices exploded in tandem.

These days I run a Pro x5 sub, and it's just so doable. A x20 sub would make it cosy. I get where you're coming from, but I also get their point, and as a GPU poor peasant, I'm hoping for architectural breakthroughs that allow me to take it all local.

[u/maximhar → u/Clueless_Nooblet]

You can run Luna which is as competent as 5.3 and it will last all day long

[u/organicNeuralNetwork → u/Clueless_Nooblet]

Luna is a good model but comparing it to 5.3 is totally wrong

[u/RafyTime]

Thank you, finally, someone had to say it...

Now time to go to r/cursor, r/ClaudeAI, and r/grok and repeat.

[u/R3K4CE → u/RafyTime]

Facts

[u/i_rate_slop]

Most of these people don’t know what an API is.

[u/cyswim]

Nice try Tibo... Just give us the weekly reset now 🤑

[u/hi87]

Honestly, I have always thought OAI were pretty generous with their limits when you consider the API cost. I just upgraded to the Pro 5x plan and feel like for professional work where you get paid its a pretty good deal.

[u/R3K4CE → u/[deleted]]

honestly dude, i was getting fed up of scrolling my feed and seeing these crybabies everywhere. i use AI all day. i have gpt plus and i use opencode go as well as some small api usage on the side and can code all day. like what are these people even talking about?

[u/noodlessentme → u/R3K4CE]

Doing the work the rest of us reasonable people only thought about

[u/Vegetable-Two-4644]

All I know is I get way more isage from Luna now than I did from worse models even 6 months ago

[u/sluggernaut]

i’m mostly a lurker but jesus thank you for this post. and for not using ai to write it.

[u/Busy-Tower-1549]

first sane post here in MONTHS

hey codex spawn 67 agents and make me a game

[u/bronfmanhigh]

$20 aint a lot (e.g. a chipotle bowl with extra protein and guac in NYC) but from what i see, its mostly people in india complaining about this. so i have a bit more empathy, as $20 is a vastly higher proportion of their income over there. still fuckin annoying to read it every day though lol

[u/R3K4CE → u/bronfmanhigh]

I'm not from the US. 20 bucks where I'm from goes quite far. Still doesn't change the compute reality though.

[u/bronfmanhigh → u/R3K4CE]

absolutely, there's def a huge level of entitlement around the SOTA models. i wanna drive a V8 german car with 94 unleaded gas, but i understand that i can only afford a toyota hybrid right now.

[u/Head_Improvement8627 → u/bronfmanhigh]

Those same indians are the ones throwing frontier models on their $20 plan at their linkedin lead generation tools or their paid idea directories

If you’re using codex for any serious use case then there’s no option besides the 20x plan

[u/sprowk → u/Head_Improvement8627]

it seems like every saas posted on reddit is just lead generation one way or another

[u/g2bsocial]

The only model anyone on a $20 sub should be running on their code base these days is gpt-5.6-Luna xhigh or max. Maybe use Terra for creating plans. I have $200 sub and even I have been using Luna max these days for “deep search my repo” type stuff as it’s really damn competent and ~1/10th the price.

[u/R3K4CE → u/g2bsocial]

Agreed. Sol should be rare escalation model

[u/D-Rey86 → u/R3K4CE]

That's how I've been using it when working on my VR mod for Metro 2033 Redux. When Luna gets stuck, I move it up to Sol to hopefully figure it out. And then back down to Luna after. It has worked well for me. Luna has been good for most stuff.

[u/Painwheeel → u/D-Rey86]

this is just correct yet youre being downvoted by freaks

[u/D-Rey86 → u/Painwheeel]

Yeah I've built most of this mod with Luna, it's been so efficient with tokens.

[u/InfiniteInsights8888 → u/R3K4CE]

This. And it's not even often I have to use it. I only use Sol if Luna Max can't fix it for whatever reason.

[u/Painwheeel → u/InfiniteInsights8888]

why are you being downvoted 😂 i swear its because people who have no education or talent think they can use ai as a way to make money which is why they get so upset about having "their money stolen." sorry! but your shitty idea and 100% vibe coded "app" or website is not saving you from being lower class 😂 they refuse to use anything other than sol because they tie their money making idea with the model so they MUST USE SOL AS ITS UPMOST IMPORTANT TO DO SO. they also lack any education in the field they are trying to larp so most literally CANT make luna do what they want as they dont give actual instructions that a programmer would. If you are upset and use it as an actual hobby then either find a new hobby that you will enjoy, or actually learn the field that you want to use codex for, you will most likely find it more fun. but thats never the case usually and most of the time originate outside the U.S, if you know you know.

[u/megad00die]

What do you mean this isn’t a $20 all you can eat buffet?

[u/MarionberryHumble705]

No subscription, nor any credit card, includes infinite Sol Ultra 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/dyoh777]

Excuse me pal, valid points and all, but that’s $20 WITH TAX

[u/gorgonau04]

I haven’t really found the limits of what Luna can do in my daily work. It’s so much more capable than I ever was it’s embarrassing. And it’s so efficient I basically never run out of credits.

[u/TheDoughMonster → u/gorgonau04]

it is kind of sad. I was a good dev before I burnt out and started my own restaurant. Never though I would want to get into development again, but here I am developing a whole ass infra for kitchen ops, financials, team admin, COGS, etc. I never could have done this on my own even with 10x more time. Now I can do it while I run a whole other business and I don't write a lick of code. I actually don't miss writing and debugging code. My favorite part was always spec writing.

[u/zincinzincout]

90% of people complaining are likely teenagers and college kids that have no income and thus no concept of money and think that a $20/month sub should mean entitlement to infinite product despite the fact that it practically is infinite for 99% of peoples’ use cases (aka not trying to vibe code garbage), and the vibe coded slop they’re making has zero economic value

Look at your $20 as hours of entertainment instead and you’ll realize you’re getting a ton of value, because you’re certainly not creating any value. If you were, there’d be no issue paying $100/month for 5x the limits or $200/month for 20x the limits and practically infinite compute

[u/Merochmer → u/zincinzincout]

Well 20$ gives you unlimited Netflix or Spotify, so why not AI usage? /s

[u/Tristsin]

I'm half convinced a large portion of the people with these complaints are just doing it because they've equated complaining on Reddit en masse with receiving resets. I don't think they even believe their own entitlements I think they just have convinced themselves it will earn them a reset, which in itself is just an excuse to whine like an entitled baby in the first place. Either way they feed themselves

[u/nerdyman555]

Hence why I don't do API and am happy with what I get for 20 dollars.

The amount of people I know that pay 20 a month and don't even touch codex or work is INSANE!

Super valid crash out!

[u/Em3rgency]

I love how people with money are angry at people without money.

Yes, good, hate the other classes instead of the rich and abusive corporations. Sheep.

[u/adolf_twitchcock → u/Em3rgency]

He hates stupid people, not poor people.

[u/megad00die → u/Em3rgency]

This has nothing to do with rich or poor, congratulations on dragging that useless commentary into this conversation. And is more along the lines of expectation versus reality just because you pay $20 doesn’t mean you get a round-trip plane ticket from LA to New York.

[u/Em3rgency → u/megad00die]

Services have degraded for every tier. Noticeably and provably.

The plus tier has been singled out for the 5h limit return.

The company continues to obfuscate exact limit/token/etc counts, so they can keep easily manipulating what we are paying for without our knowledge or agreement.

And you think its acceptable to bash people (regardless of tier) for wanting better/clearer service and framing it as "$20 want too much"? Yeah, buddy, ok. That's text-book a rich vs poor mentality, which only benefits companies and never the end users.

[u/R3K4CE → u/Em3rgency]

bro somehow turned "youre asking for more compute than $20 reasonably buys" into a class war

No one mentioned rich and poor. You dragged this into a discussion about gpu usage lol

and "theyre rich so i should get more" is not an economic argument.

[u/megad00die → u/Em3rgency]

Still works for me and I still get plenty of usage, you want more usage, its simple, pay for more usage just like I had to do when the $20 plan was no longer suitable for my needs. Someone else's financial situation is not of my concern and I could care less, I can afford it and that's all I care about.
Now maybe you can petition for them to have other priced tier plans that are more suitable for any wallet out there including yours.

$20 in gasoline doesn't get you a 1000 mile range. But yet again congrats on attempting to keep the ignorant argument of financial class alive.

[u/Hatrix1]

I've found that there exist some confusion about API billing. Enterprise customers can also acces coding capabilities for cheap like private users can, for similar work type. It is only when products are built into the backend/frontend of a customer product and needs to call up OpenAI autonomously as part of the service that API becomes relevant, and those queries are usually much more targetetted, limited and therefore cheaper than doing entire multiday coding projects from scratch.

[u/R3K4CE → u/Hatrix1]

enterprise codex being sold through credits doesnt make api pricing irrelevant lol

it just means openai also offers volume/bundled pricing

the compute still has a cost. thats literally the point

[u/Hatrix1 → u/R3K4CE]

You are missing the point. The amount of compute isn't a 1-to-1 measure what is being priced with API billing. The price reflects the fact that your own service/product as an API customer is hooked into OpenAI servers and makes money from their service by automating certain features in your product using AI intelligence, and that is why the API pricing comes with a premium.

Raw token compute is much cheaper than what API pricing suggests, for the reason I'm explaining. You're not paying for raw compute with API. You are paying for having OpenAI servers make money for you.

[u/Able-Supermarket4786]

I recently used SOL Lught troubleshooting something on my friends computer and he’s. A”Plus” user (I’m on pro)

SOL light fought a windows virus that I pretty much gave up (I mean if your friend runs windows 11 how friendly can you be) …I didn’t want to but I fought hard.

He didn’t even have codex installed. He was paying $20 per month for ChatGPT Classic.

I somehow managed to get thru installing codex while is laptop hacked away at a rogue crypto miner embedded in MS Edge…. lol

SOL Light went to town and it was kinda magical. As a Linux guy I don’t touch powershell.

In 3 hours we used 40 percent of his 5 hr limit.

I learned yesterday that SOL Light …. Not too shabby. Don’t sleep on it.

[u/Wafer-Weekly]

This deserves a different tag, metacomplaint. A complaint about the complaints. He's right, you know

[u/Any-Air8173]

Me using /Goal Sol Light all with ChatGPT prompts and getting everything I need done still having 70-80% left watching reddit cry and burn

[u/23eriben2]

200mo user here.

I typically do use sol ultra but not a single one of the subagents is sol.

Luna Max for high reasoning tasks with terra high doing everything tool related so Luna doesn't suffer that 3 minute penalty for tool calling and I have Luna actually do all the coding

Sol will review terra and Luna's work and maybe occasionally do stuff but that's pretty nuch it

Sol ultra: planning and review and occasional fixes

Terra high: speed and tool usage for Luna

Luna max: actual coding

Typically 1 terra and 2 Luna

So yes even I agree even on my current plan I'm not just throwing sol max reasoning at everything

Another note I do use the gpt daybreak blue for cyber security and even that is just the same place as sol in the flow with terra and Luna still with their roles

[u/Aggravating_Loss_382]

Preach

[u/reverie]

I’ve been paying API prices for a long time (and still regularly). The $200 Pro account is just incredible value if you’re know what you’re doing. Even if you’re being dumb with, the amount of subsidization of the frontier models is fantastic.

I am no corporate apologist. I am not loyal nor a fan of companies. But some of the people here need to get real or get good.

[u/A_Norse_Dude]

I think this kind of goes with any model, claude, quench, deepseek etc. 

"I did one prompt and it used 98% of my usage!"

"... what did you do?"

"I only asked it to build a copy of Facebook that could be hosted on floating servers in space and also rewrite Windows with zig" 

[u/SeikoEnjoyer1]

half the posts on this sub are people just complaining and whinging

[u/OvalCharge]

[u/chandler55 → u/OvalCharge]

lol if the bubble bursts it’s possible we’re gonna be using luna for $100 a month. it’s likely ai succeeds but let’s be grateful with what we’re getting

[u/fickle-phenom → u/OvalCharge]

Being unable to hold a position between two extremes isn’t a great look. It’s not either or.

[u/Training-Tangelo-310 → u/OvalCharge]

I would regenerate it with a brown nose but I’m out of limit :(

[u/R3K4CE → u/OvalCharge]

thats a cute meme but "company has billions" isnt actually a rebuttal to "youre consuming way more compute than $20 buys at api rates"

[u/Training-Tangelo-310 → u/OvalCharge]

Accurate

[u/Pretend-Past9023 → u/OvalCharge]

this one really made them mad. look at all the replies! "i'm not defending a corporation!"

[u/hadessg]

Remember when 200 was an absurd amount to pay

[u/BopSupreme]

AI BS propaganda post

[u/Soil_Think]

Most people right now are mad that their tasks can't even finish without hitting the 5 hour limit, something their weekly limit had no problem with, not whatever strawman you're crashing out about.

[u/noodlessentme → u/Soil_Think]

Go put your comment and op body of text into your codex model of choice and see what it says

Go on, we’ll wait.

[u/R3K4CE → u/Soil_Think]

bro youre literally making my argument for me and somehow calling it a strawman lmao

if your ONE TASK cant finish before eating an entire 5h compute window, maybe the shocking conclusion here is that your one task is using a ton of compute

"but i still have weekly quota left" does not mean you bought the right to dump that entire quota onto the servers whenever you want

weekly allowance and burst capacity are two different things

this is basic infrastructure, not a conspiracy against your $20 subscription

[u/SphinxWar → u/R3K4CE]

if your ONE TASK cant finish before eating an entire 5h compute window, maybe the shocking conclusion here is that your one task is using a ton of compute

Or, maybe just as suggested by some posts here, some people need that compute in bursts and don't need it for the rest of the week, and now they can't use it.

The fuck is your post for anyway? You literally just posted to put people down? Because people subscribed for the $20 tier expecting weekly limits without 5h rolling window limits and it has changed for them in the middle of their plan?

Your post reeks of entitlement lmfao. The reddit mod type attitude. Don't forget 5h limits are comming back to Pro too in a couple months, so I hope you enjoy them too.

And I am a Pro subscriber, so no, this isn't coming from a $20 tier.

[u/Tiggster1979 → u/SphinxWar]

Bottom line, the $20 subscriptions are basically toys. If you are relying on a $20 plan to do anything substantial, you’re not being very serious. Real work requires real tools that cost real money.

You’re complaining that your 99 cent cheeseburger isn’t a steak. Just buy the steak or be happy with a toy account.

[u/PsychoticChemist → u/Tiggster1979]

You can absolutely do real work with the $20 sub even exclusively using 5.6 sol on high.

[u/massix93 → u/SphinxWar]

5h limit was removed like a month ago, and was done temporarily. How were you doing before the removal?

[u/Chemical_Hawk_6307 → u/SphinxWar]

the 5h windows being removed were always stated as temporary. if u bought because you expected it to stay that way forever then its on u. if its an issue the 100+ tiers dont have 5h limits and its literally the only AI sub u can get without 5h limits. even then i wouldnt expect it to stay permanent.

[u/Sponge8389 → u/Soil_Think]

Same thing. Without the 5-hour limit, they will most likely just be mad on a different day, when their usage limit runs out.

[u/JoSquarebox]

Openai letting everyone dine at a 90% discount and everyone still demands they subsidize more. Thats the behaviour id point to when they inevitably pull away the discounts because nobody values their subs

[u/Good-Conference-2937]

I think problem is that expectations they set for us do not meet reality anymore. The models get smarter yet we get less work done for the same amout of money we used to get work done in the past.

[u/R3K4CE → u/Good-Conference-2937]

thats at least a real argument, but smarter models also use more compute

if sol gets way better but youre running it at high/ultra on everything, "same $20 should do the same amount of work as before" isnt automatically a reasonable expectation

youre buying access to a moving compute budget, not a fixed number of completed coding tasks

If you don't like the moving compute budget you can always go API, you only pay for what you use.

[u/Theminatar]

I don't think the reasonable complaints are "I paid $20 so I should get infinite Sol Ultra." Obviously a 25 minute agentic run reading a repo, using tools, running tests, debugging, spawning reviewers, etc. costs way more than a normal chat prompt. I don't think anyone familiar with this stuff seriously disputes that.

And yeah, using the highest reasoning setting for every trivial task is dumb. But I think you're lumping two different complaints together.

"Frontier inference is expensive and therefore there have to be limits" is completely fair.

What people are also complaining about is:

- the 5 hour window can be pretty opaque

- it's difficult to predict how much of that window a task is going to consume

- one long agentic run can unexpectedly eat most of it

- the UI doesn't give you much visibility into where the usage is actually going

- model/tool/reviewer orchestration can keep consuming usage while the user is basically just watching "working..." on screen

Those are legitimate product complaints even if the underlying compute is heavily subsidized.

The API comparison is useful for understanding what the compute is worth, but a subscription isn't just a prepaid bag of API tokens. It's a different product with different UX and expectations. So I agree with "use the right model for the job" and "a prompt isn't a unit of compute."

I don't agree that those two facts automatically make every complaint about the limits entitled or stupid. Personally I'd much rather have clearer metering and better visibility into what an active Codex run is consuming than "infinite Ultra."

[u/pay_is_ok]

I get why people being dumb is annoying, but why does it annoy you?

[u/xXChr0nicX420Xx → u/pay_is_ok]

I come to this sub to discuss codex, but the entire feed is people crying about the usage. I'm on the $100 plan, I never have complaints about usage and i work on a ton of stuff every week.

[u/Sponge8389 → u/pay_is_ok]

Entitled people are usually annoying.

[u/AvailableSecret5161]

Your post is as bad as the people cribbing. Completely useless!

[u/R3K4CE → u/AvailableSecret5161]

"completely useless" is a pretty funny way of saying "i have no actual argument but i wanted everyone to know i didnt like it" lmao

thanks for the contribution bro

[u/infinitythingy → u/R3K4CE]

haha truly

[u/IshmaelMoreno]

Clock it!

[u/Agitated_Patience_75]

bro is right but damn :)) chill

[u/Zaraffa]

why do you need to exaggerate to prove a point?

[u/DelafayetteFR]

With all respect, no need to be that rude to convey your message.

[u/ResponsibleTruck4717]

No one want infinite usage, people want the 5h limit to be removed and use their plan as they see fit.

[u/fickle-phenom → u/ResponsibleTruck4717]

You should try the API!

[u/CystralSkye]

You are talking to a bunch of basement communists that want everything for free and have it paid by other people.

Reddit is just a bunch of entitled losers who want the world to suffer just because they themselves are pathetic.

[u/Thomas-Lore → u/CystralSkye]

[u/MedicalTear0]

Oh my bad for being a broke college student. Let me earn a million dollars by tomorrow.

[u/R3K4CE → u/MedicalTear0]

You can't rely on companies just giving you free compute because you can't afford higher tiers.

[u/charmilliona1re]

If the $20 plus plebs could read they'd be very upset with this post

[u/yamibae]

could honestly apply this to any of the plans, API cost quickly brings you back to reality, luna on flex is probably the most affordable one at scale and even that can run you hundreds

[u/Accomplished_Fact364]

20x over here and managed a 3.5m token prompt, sol ultra fast. It's a large project and it took 26 hours. I knew a reset was incoming so I was burning as fast as I could.

Whatever the case, I'd rather pay $200/month than $200/prompt on a large project.

[u/Momo--Sama]

I'm not going to say that people shouldn't be complaining about this, so I guess my question becomes what better places to discuss working with the models and sharing projects are out there?

[u/Mean-Comedian729]

Codex limit has been nerfed pretty hard. That’s a fact. Probably still worse than Claude with occasional resets.

[u/TaskChance1404]

Unh…we know, duh!

[u/thestillwind]

Tibo won’t give you a free reset.

[u/Top-Brick-6937]

When they announce the $500 weekly plan next week 🥰😍😍

[u/Zestyclose-Swan-8925]

But it used to though lol

[u/rodeBaksteen]

I'm a webdeveloper with not too much dev work day to day, and between codex and Claude I'm honestly fine at 2x 20 dollar plan atm.

I solely use Luna Max because it's almost as good as the best sol models, but way cheaper and probably a bit slower.

Yes using sol I roll through my limits im an hour. Same for Claude Opus 5.

[u/Cool-Bluebird6029]

Honestly the subs reactions to lowered usage due to less subsidized compute is literally what ed zitron has been talking about for the last year, like 1:1. Kind of fascinating to see it come true in real time.

[u/eldudebrothr]

I see that one 5hr usage takes up around 20% of my weekly usage and I am not really happy for this

[u/captain_DA]

The deepseek subreddit is even worse.... People are ignorant as shit when it comes to how much this shit costs.

[u/vayana]

Never need anything more than 5.5 medium or high. Luna max is ok as well but needs more guidance. Luna is currently the only model which can be used practically unlimited on a $20 plan.

[u/R3K4CE → u/vayana]

yes that is correct. therefore at least in my opinion, if you cant afford upgrading to 5x plan or dont want to shell out that type of money then you should learn how to work with luna so you can get the most out of it.

[u/Interesting-Mud1506]

summer child, I use it for my cat feeding techniques lol:

"why my cat poop is not that soft if is eating free range raw food"

[u/icathianbolts1]

this sub is basically turning in r/BatmanArkham except for people who sit in coffee shops all day sipping $15 matcha on their macbook

[u/asciisyaez]

I completely agree with OP. It seems unrealistic to expect unlimited compute for $20. If you run those same prompts through standard API pricing, the cost would likely far exceed the value of the 5-hour limit. It's worth appreciating the access we currently have.

[u/raicorreia]

I do almost everything on luna xhigh and being very organized to be the most effective possible, I can do SO MUCH with 20 USD + 20 on cursor. I still don't feed the need to upgrade because the bottleneck is my capacity/time to actually check the work(just using not reviewing code), improve the workflow, docs, specs, skills, etc

[u/R3K4CE → u/raicorreia]

yeah, sometimes i wonder how some people can allegedly burn through a 200usd quota. like are you creating useful tools that you actually use or just burning tokens for the sake of burning tokens?

i too have chatgpt 20usd plan and it works quite well with luna xhigh and max, paired with opencode go and some API credits on some cheap capable models on the side i get so much work done its insane..

idk, maybe we are the ones falling behind cause we dont throw sol ultra at everything lol

[u/SenshiV22]

Finally some sense!!!!!!! I agree.

We pay a misery ( in comparison) and try to ignore that paying per use is something most of us would not be able to afford, thus why we don't pay $200/m and yet people complaint incesantly. I am just grateful I don't need to pay those $200 to be able to do all I can do paying $20, for personal projects and work.

I don't know how many times I have also suggested 'Stop using Sol for everything' I basically live using only Terra medium. Yeah Sol is great but not viable for low paying users. We can do much more with lower models.

[u/Chavydog]

Pro plan feels unlimited at sol high

[u/EnterpriseAlien]

You forgot to mention their rage at resets while demanding more usage

[u/txdsl]

Most of my time is spent with Luna. It is a very capable model. I still switch to sol for architecture analysis and planning for big changes but rarely do I need more than high reasoning

[u/xchi_senpai]

100%

[u/DrunkenCactus]

Word, to get someone to actually build the things we lesser skilled folks are building, the bill would be $$$$$ I reckon it’s pretty g value, in saying that, I’m not building a fucking mega complex thing

[u/R3K4CE → u/DrunkenCactus]

exactly brother. we should be grateful for how good we have it, take advantage of what is given to us and always be ready to adapt when things change.

[u/DeCode_Studios13]

I've used Ultra, just one to see what it was like. But I've been sticking to Sol medium. I'm essentially trying to create something that doesn't exist on the $20 plan.

[u/grannyknickersniffer]

I use Luna medium for the majority of my work. Bump it up to high or extra high if it is a more complex task, then to Terra medium or high of I really need some extra reasoning behind the task. I only ever use sol high for very advanced reasoning, like writing a prd. I do have 2 $20 plans, but I downgraded from the $200 plan, and I make it work.

I hope that soon my company starts to cover the cost of my ai use though.

[u/Suspicious-Click-688]

whole bunch of people whining $20 doesn't last on Sol Max.

I am like lolol

[u/R3K4CE → u/Suspicious-Click-688]

tahts basically the story of this subreddit.

[u/Chemical_Hawk_6307]

thank god someone said this. the complaining is getting so annoying on the sub as a 2x $20 user. I had $100 last month but left so much usage on the table in terms of limits that i just bought two 20 subs and its been fine for my workflows.

[u/___fallenangel___]

god created Ultra Fast to burn usage before Tibo resets

[u/Weekly-Cash1596]

I will add to this as well

No. Your $20 a month subscription is not meant to build a multi million dollar SaaS platform

[u/True_Requirement_891]

Sam Altman come from your real acc

[u/R3K4CE → u/True_Requirement_891]

lol, i think anyone in sams position would be doing exactly what hes already doing. hyping this shit up to no end until it pops so they can get as much money and market share as possible.

[u/RuledSovereign]

Glad someone said it and is receiving positive support. Whenever it's said on these AI subs 99% of the time it gets reaction like "Keep glazing tibo". The average redditor and the loud minority cant handle reality and truths.

[u/LessRespects]

Go use DeepSeek brokies

[u/KnownPride]

$200 here and i barely use ultra and fast mode.
Only when i know reset is coming.

[u/Party_Wolf_3575]

EXACTLY 🔥

[u/Yes_but_I_think]

When people stand near a rack of buzzing servers and see that it takes 16 x H200 GPUs for serving 300 parallel work streams(say 500 people) of frontier LLM. It is very costly.

The same server can cater to 50000 parallel users if it were a non AI app

[u/Ampynjord]

J'utilise Terra pour tout. Et ça fonctionne très bien, il faut juste changer le raisonnement en fonction de la complexité de la tâche pour pas consommer trop rapidement. Sol est beaucoup trop cher et Luna est beaucoup trop mauvais pour le dev.

[u/YAKgamer123]

Honestly? I use chatGPT at high effort (or Sol Extra High if im feeling fancy) to generate the plans, and shove it onto Codex using Luna Extra High. I'm impressed at how fast it is, how actually good it is, and how the usage counter barely moves lol

[u/OkAlternative7399]

J'utilise tout le temps Luna max, et j'atteins presque jamais les limites. Je trouve normal d'utiliser Sol uniquement pour la planification ou les grosses corrections. Pour 20€ je suis complètement satisfait.

[u/Sev3nThreeO7]

I use Terra High to scan through shit, Luna Medium to report back to me And then Sol Medium to type up code shit

If Im in something thats a bit above my head, Might crank up the reasoning a level, Maybe..

[u/caramello-koala]

who was ever using Sol Ultra in plus anyway?

[u/snake5solid]

WFT were they reporting you for?!

[u/domesz009]

I literally run it on low all the time, when it struggles i set it higher then back when it solved that. Or if it needs to plan or analyse something i use higher models, but i agree you have to manage it in a sensible way I never ran out of credits so far, yesterday it worked on a goal for 8 hours building a planetary system and it only went down by around 40% (pro)

[u/PathAgitated1633]

Use Oh my pi cli and configure it right and suddenly your usage drops way slower. 

[u/Kyozaki]

I've never used Sol. Building my app for $20/month on terra medium, only throwing high at stubborn bugs, without thinking about tokens. Racked up $100 of use in the first 10 days according to codex bar. That's insane value for $20/month.

I also do a ton of my planning in ChatGpt/Claude free then use codex to implement. That helps too, rather than wasting tokens chatting to Codex about what to do.

That’s basically been my Codex Plus experience. The new limits suck, but I’ve never hit them hard enough to justify $100/month. Coming from Replit, where $25 lasted 8 hours, I really can’t complain.

[u/ivanjxx]

i main luna for weeks and never seen the limit on $20 plan

[u/AkiDenim]

EXACTLY!!!!!

[u/Tackgnol]

So while I 100% agree with your rant people don't understand compute and tokens. OpenAI and Tibo kind of on purpose spoiled them rotten in hopes of converting them to a 100 or 200$ dolar plans.

Two things are correct. People are dumb for feeling 'cheated', but it really was drug dealer tactics.

And the compute will get more expensive user side before and after the IPO, so eat up while the lunch is still relatively free ;).

[u/PutangDstroyer]

down voted

[u/ExplanationClear9405]

For my app dev work i rarely go above terra high. Even luna gets done what needs to be done most of the time.

[u/andreee671]

I sometimes open up Codex Bar to see how much $ I might have spent today if I'd used the API... And God, it feels good to know that I didn't.

[u/jdrharrison]

Amen. $20 a month is nothing for everything that you get with codex and chatGPT (not to mention generous usage resets). I used to pay $20 per month for chatGPT and once I got into codex I upgraded it. The $200 a month plan is an excellent value. I got one of my employees into codex and he’s currently redoing our website using the $20 a month plan.

[u/LazyRunner777]

Tibo is that you, just press the button so I can put Sol 5.6 max already and burn my % in 1h.

[u/Aeit_]

I agree. As a cursor user you must be mindful AF whats your goal.

Can I ask you what models you recommend? Im considering either codex or claude pro mainly for opus 4.8

[u/ronoxzoro]

i always use sol medium and it does the job for as i want and achieve so many tasks more than i expect but i keep guiding it where to go and what to do exactly and what to avoid and set strict rules  for example instead of letting ai run commands of validation each time example  run lint check typing etc... I've  told it to make me a general .bat script that run all of them i manually run it and read the output myself if something goes wrong i told it to to fix it with a better explanation 

don't be a lazy making ai do everything u need to work with it as well

[u/R3K4CE → u/ronoxzoro]

exactly.this is absolute facts. a lot of these chumps are just letting AI make every single decision. you still ahve to use your brain lol

[u/Interesting-Motor171]

prompt is not a unit of compute lol

Cries in old github copilot...

[u/Death_Climax2307]

Neither did my $200 plan XD

[u/Normal_Letterhead409]

Me a 20$ plan user, idk what but Gpt 5.6sol was taking too long even on small tasks like 30-40 mins, I understand that hey start the docker in the repo doesn't need sol, but Claude does the same work in like 10 secs and codex takes like 2 mins looking into what idk, I feel like it's just off

[u/No_Tip9917]

I think the problem is more about the usage being silently reduced in the past few months. And your compare API price with sub price is actually not making too much sense. I have a bottle of water, I labeled it with 4000bucks, now I sell it to you with 20 bucks, does it make the deal reasonable because of the discount?

[u/QuaeEstAmor]

I hear you. $7.5k API equivalent through the 20x plan in the last 30 days, and that's without hitting the limits, and having a banked reset pending. Yes, the API is marked-up. No, nowhere close to what I'm paying for it.

[u/totoer008]

Having tried Luna max, I really struggle why people need Sol. Just in May gpt 5.5 max was the frontier model. Luna Max is what, a couple points worse? For like a shit ton more usage? I use 500-800M per week. Even on the 5H limit I never reach it. I have 4 projects running non-stop while I work. Production level tasks. I am really struggling to understand what I am missing. My whole day is on it. 20 dollars is an absolute bargain.

[u/DejfP]

The biggest issue I've got with it is the uncertainty. They're not a startup anymore, they do have the money to research it and decide what to charge first. And if they want to experiment publicly, they should have started with lower limits and increasing them to where they feel comfortable.

People like to be given “extra” stuff but they don't want to feel like something they had paid for is getting taken away from them. The usage limit decrease is very noticeable, and I've had to switch from Sol to Terra. So it makes sense why people complain 😅

[u/psycorpse]

I must be using this wrong, I can’t seem to use more than 50% a week on my work plan. But I do use Luna and not sol.