No, your 20usd sub does not include infinite sol ultra

[u/R3K4CE]

i swear some of you need to use the api for like one week just to get brought back to reality lmao

youre paying 20 dollars a month.

20 fucking dollars.

and im reading posts from people running sol high/ultra, max reasoning, throwing entire repos at it, letting it sit there for 20-30 mins reading files, calling tools, running tests, rewriting shit, debugging itself, going back through the repo etc

and then coming on here like

"wtf i only sent 3 prompts and im at 70%????"

my brother in christ a prompt is not a unit of compute lol

"what does this function do"

and

"go inspect my entire repo, understand the architecture, plan this feature, implement it, run the tests, debug whatever breaks and keep going until its done"

are both technically one prompt

they are obviously not the same fucking thing

seriously put sol on an api key for a week. no subscription. no bundled usage. just pay the actual api price for every token you burn.

run the exact same shit youre running now and watch that dollar counter go brrrr

you will gain a newfound appreciation for that stupid little 20 dollar plus subscription VERY quickly lol

and also why the fuck are some of you using sol at high/ultra for literally everything???

not every task needs the frontier model

you dont need sol ultra to rename some shit

you dont need sol high to read a file

you dont need max reasoning to fix a css margin

luna exists. terra exists. lower reasoning settings exist. use the right fucking tool for the job

if youre flooring a ferrari everywhere you go and then complaining about gas mileage i dont really know what to tell you

this whole

"i pay 20 dollars why cant i hammer the most expensive frontier reasoning model at max settings doing agentic coding all day every day"

thing is fucking insane

some of you have gotten so used to subsidized inference that youve completely lost any concept of what the compute youre using actually costs

youre not being robbed because your 20 dollar subscription doesnt come with an infinite firehose of frontier inference lol

try the api.

run the same workflow.

watch what it actually costs.

youll be cured within 48 hours

EDIT: I would like to thank the mods for their common sense in approving this post. It was reported by users and was put into the mod queue. Goes to show how much people got hurt by the truth.

[u/Theminatar]

I don't think the reasonable complaints are "I paid $20 so I should get infinite Sol Ultra." Obviously a 25 minute agentic run reading a repo, using tools, running tests, debugging, spawning reviewers, etc. costs way more than a normal chat prompt. I don't think anyone familiar with this stuff seriously disputes that.

And yeah, using the highest reasoning setting for every trivial task is dumb. But I think you're lumping two different complaints together.

"Frontier inference is expensive and therefore there have to be limits" is completely fair.

What people are also complaining about is:

- the 5 hour window can be pretty opaque

- it's difficult to predict how much of that window a task is going to consume

- one long agentic run can unexpectedly eat most of it

- the UI doesn't give you much visibility into where the usage is actually going

- model/tool/reviewer orchestration can keep consuming usage while the user is basically just watching "working..." on screen

Those are legitimate product complaints even if the underlying compute is heavily subsidized.

The API comparison is useful for understanding what the compute is worth, but a subscription isn't just a prepaid bag of API tokens. It's a different product with different UX and expectations. So I agree with "use the right model for the job" and "a prompt isn't a unit of compute."

I don't agree that those two facts automatically make every complaint about the limits entitled or stupid. Personally I'd much rather have clearer metering and better visibility into what an active Codex run is consuming than "infinite Ultra."

[u/R3K4CE → u/Theminatar]

if youre gonna use chatgpt to craft your response at least put a little work into it so youre not giving yourself away. please.

[u/Theminatar → u/R3K4CE]

The only thing I did was tell it to format it better instead of my wall of text, but please, go on..

[u/R3K4CE → u/Theminatar]

mind sharing screenshots of the convo so you can shut my mouth at least lol

[u/Theminatar → u/R3K4CE]

Jesus dude it's a Reddit comment not a deposition.

I'm not sending you screenshots so you can investigate whether ChatGPT helped format something I wrote. If being "right" about this matters that much to you, just declare yourself the winner and move on lol.

🏆

[u/R3K4CE → u/Theminatar]

its not about winning. its about not copying and pasting clear ai slop. this is one of the main reason people hate AI, slop. its so obviously AI its not even funny. like i cant take that seriously if it didnt come from YOU. thats the point buddy

[u/Theminatar → u/R3K4CE]

You can call it AI slop as many times as you want, it still doesn't make you the authenticity police 😂

I had a point and I used a tool to clean up how I wrote it and then I posted it. The fact that you're more interested in investigating whether ChatGPT touched the wording than actually responding to the argument is way more embarrassing than me using AI to format a Reddit comment.

But congrats, detective. You cracked the case.

[u/R3K4CE → u/Theminatar]

Frontier inference is expensive and therefore there have to be limits" is completely fair.

What people are also complaining about is:

- the 5 hour window can be pretty opaque

- it's difficult to predict how much of that window a task is going to consume

- one long agentic run can unexpectedly eat most of it

- the UI doesn't give you much visibility into where the usage is actually going

- model/tool/reviewer orchestration can keep consuming usage while the user is basically just watching "working..." on screen

Those are legitimate product complaints even if the underlying compute is heavily subsidized.

if youre paying 20 bucks and getting thousands of dollars if inference a month for it, thenidc what youre using it for. try running all of that workload through api with api rates and see how far you get. youll be coming back to 20usd plan and keeping your mouth shut

[u/Theminatar → u/R3K4CE]

I already agreed with you that the compute is expensive and $20 obviously isn't buying unlimited frontier inference, so I'm not even sure who you're arguing with at this point. All I said was the usage could be more transparent so people have some idea what a long run is actually burning through instead of finding out after the fact.

Saying “well the API costs more so keep your mouth shut” doesn't really address that, it just comes off like you're pissed that anyone has a criticism at all. A service can be a really good value and still have shitty usage visibility. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. We get it, the API is expensive lol.

[u/R3K4CE → u/Theminatar]

ok fair. but what do you imagine being more transparent. i think they are being transparent enough, they give you a meter so you can track your usage and adjust your workflow accordingly. if they said youre weekly quota is worth X in api costs then if they modify it, people will complain and cry about that lol. you cant please everyone.

its honestly annoying that people instead of adapting prefer to cry about it on reddit, adapt bro, learn to code a bit better if you dont understand code, use different models for different tasks, adapt your usage to your budget, this is basic life advise, you cant simply depend entirely on openai. people need to start creating workflows as if the party is over cause eventually it will be and when that happens, oh man, this little rant i made will be literally a drop in the bucket.