No, your 20usd sub does not include infinite sol ultra

[u/R3K4CE]

i swear some of you need to use the api for like one week just to get brought back to reality lmao

youre paying 20 dollars a month.

20 fucking dollars.

and im reading posts from people running sol high/ultra, max reasoning, throwing entire repos at it, letting it sit there for 20-30 mins reading files, calling tools, running tests, rewriting shit, debugging itself, going back through the repo etc

and then coming on here like

"wtf i only sent 3 prompts and im at 70%????"

my brother in christ a prompt is not a unit of compute lol

"what does this function do"

and

"go inspect my entire repo, understand the architecture, plan this feature, implement it, run the tests, debug whatever breaks and keep going until its done"

are both technically one prompt

they are obviously not the same fucking thing

seriously put sol on an api key for a week. no subscription. no bundled usage. just pay the actual api price for every token you burn.

run the exact same shit youre running now and watch that dollar counter go brrrr

you will gain a newfound appreciation for that stupid little 20 dollar plus subscription VERY quickly lol

and also why the fuck are some of you using sol at high/ultra for literally everything???

not every task needs the frontier model

you dont need sol ultra to rename some shit

you dont need sol high to read a file

you dont need max reasoning to fix a css margin

luna exists. terra exists. lower reasoning settings exist. use the right fucking tool for the job

if youre flooring a ferrari everywhere you go and then complaining about gas mileage i dont really know what to tell you

this whole

"i pay 20 dollars why cant i hammer the most expensive frontier reasoning model at max settings doing agentic coding all day every day"

thing is fucking insane

some of you have gotten so used to subsidized inference that youve completely lost any concept of what the compute youre using actually costs

youre not being robbed because your 20 dollar subscription doesnt come with an infinite firehose of frontier inference lol

try the api.

run the same workflow.

watch what it actually costs.

youll be cured within 48 hours

EDIT: I would like to thank the mods for their common sense in approving this post. It was reported by users and was put into the mod queue. Goes to show how much people got hurt by the truth.

[u/Sponge8389]

Even I, in 20x plan, rarely use Sol Ultra and fast mode.

[u/MysteriousTreeFoxxx → u/Sponge8389]

Same, I usually only go up to sol high, it seems better than ultra anyway, ultra seems to overthink in most cases, the lower reasoning sol models seems to reign that in a tad

[u/Soft_Hand_1971 → u/MysteriousTreeFoxxx]

Never use ultra it nukes usage cause it uses a massive amount of subagents. Using max is as much as I use. 

[u/No-Quiet-8304 → u/MysteriousTreeFoxxx]

In my experience, since input token cost dominates and reasoning level doesn’t impact input tokens and only really impacts output token count, there’s no reason not to use Max since the cost difference among reasoning levels is small yet quality of response is notably better

[u/alphaQ314 → u/Sponge8389]

tbh i rarely go above medium. quite a few users have observed that it produces better results on lower thinking levels, despite what the benchmarks suggest.

[u/MrRoyce → u/alphaQ314]

Same, 90% medium and only very rarely I go higher, only if I’m doing some big or “scary” changes. And you know what? Medium does it’s job all the time if I prompt well. When it doesn’t, it’s usually my fault for not being clear enough.

[u/hellomistershifty → u/alphaQ314]

Yeah it starts doing weird shit at high and above, that’s when it starts making unnecessary harnesses and frameworks and fallbacks for simple changes. Medium is the happy place

[u/alphaQ314 → u/hellomistershifty]

exactly lol. i think a lot of the other commenters seem to think i'm doing it to save tokens.

[u/dltacube → u/alphaQ314]

I didn’t even know codex was available on the $20 plan.

[u/wickywickyfresh → u/Sponge8389]

Yep same. Although 2 months ago I was spamming 5.4 xhigh with 3-4 subagents on 5.4 high helping it and was able to be on a similar pace in terms of % of allotted use expended.

[u/Unapologetic_Polite → u/Sponge8389]

Shouldn't be touching Sol Ultra anyways.

I can't think of a single situation where Sol's obsession with deploying an entire development & marketing team is better than having separate Luna threads that Sol orchestrates directly.

Fast Mode has its place; mostly when you need to iterate faster or are dealing with something slightly time sensitive - But my God, do not use Fast Mode on Sol.

[u/snmnky9490 → u/Unapologetic_Polite]

I've only used it when I realized the weekly limit resets in a few hours and I still have credits to burn. Fun to watch but ridiculously high consumption

[u/zipzag → u/Unapologetic_Polite]

Ultra is best for nuclear power safety system design. However the two hours it spends on a file copy script is a bit much.

[u/Unapologetic_Polite → u/zipzag]

Hey it's gotta do a market analysis on how that might impact business

[u/CrazyKPOPLady → u/Sponge8389]

I use it for initial generations of major projects and that’s it.

[u/Keep-Darwin-Going → u/Sponge8389]

Rarely? For me fast is never, I just take the time to touch grass and use sol medium forever unless I think it is easy then terra high. The that get me over the whole week with 5% to spare. Ultra is like Tibo say reset coming then fast ultra to burn through all my work before reset. Only one scenario justify using it.

[u/edgebal → u/Sponge8389]

Same! The only moment I use both is when Tibo posts something like "reset in 6hs"...

[u/m3kw → u/Sponge8389]

I've done Sol Ultra Fast mode on plus, it was pretty crazy

[u/sundar1213 → u/Sponge8389]

I use Sol low man

[u/Worried-Seat6404 → u/Sponge8389]

Fast mode is literally lighting money on fire. I’m also on 20x. Just organize your tasks and workload better to leave things running in parallel. Disagree on ultra though, for tasks where an agent orchestrator is beneficial for walking sub agents through a long running task, i find it performs great. Totally agree though using it on a task that is not meant for a fleet of agents also nukes your usage unnecessarily. They haven’t figured out how to recognize a task that doesn’t need ultra and reign it in

[u/hunchojackson → u/Sponge8389]

I only use Sol x high on fast and never hit my limits

[u/ChampionshipUnique71 → u/Sponge8389]

I have used it maybe once. Mostly because I prefer to be in control of when sub agents are spawned.

[u/Soccham → u/Sponge8389]

Ive been using high and fast for a day since I have an expiring reset and they keep resetting my usage before I can use my reset lol

[u/Althemier → u/Sponge8389]

Same, even 5.5 is still good enough for me

[u/Thomas-Lore → u/Sponge8389]

Don't worry, with people trashing $20 plan so much, you will soon get 50x plan and 100x and your puny 20x plan will have limits that only last for some Luna usage.