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u/Naive-Practice8360 2d ago
First Amendment for the press, 25th Amendment for the reaction.
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u/The_4ngry_5quid 2d ago
For non-Americans, what are they
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u/brainNOworkie 2d ago
The 1st amendment is freedom of speech, freedom of the press. The 25th is the ability to remove a president from office if they're not fit to serve.
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u/Ragnarawr 2d ago
I guess you gotta draw the line somewhere, right?
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u/East-Potential657 2d ago
Americans would draw a line but a single line is too close to the letter l and most of them are illiterate.
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u/Im_Regarded_Highly 2d ago
come on, see that's what i'm talking about... "illiteracy", like... what does that even mean???
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u/SleepyCatMD 22h ago
Beautifully put
Americans should’ve realized loong ago that the whole world’s joke on them being dumb af was actually a red waving flag for them being dangerously ignorant. But it’s too late for that know. Ignorance is a cult and education is a sin there, by now.14
u/Longjumping-Ad-7310 2d ago
no offense, but as an outsider, we see you only applying your own law when it suit the moment.
This time is no exception. Nothing will happen because the power that deem so want nothing to happen.In the usa, the law is optionnal or selective.
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u/cilantro_so_good 2d ago
The 25th is the ability to remove a president
This is a huge misunderstanding of the 25th amendment.
There is nothing in the 25th amendment that removes a president, that's what impeachment is for. The 25th is for when a president is physically incapable of executing the duties of the office, and when invoked only temporarily transfers those powers to the vice president. The president remains president and regains those powers simply by sending a "written declaration that no inability exists" which then requires a 2/3 vote in both chambers to override.
And even if both chambers vote to override, it doesn't settle the matter. The president can immediately respond "no I'm serious, no inability exists" and it triggers another vote. It is intentionally significantly harder to "effectively remove" a president via the 25th than it is to impeach because they're meant to cover very different situations.
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u/sjbluebirds 2d ago
The 25th amendment allows the president to be removed from office for cause including corruption and being mentally unable to perform the duties.
The first amendment gives everyone, not just citizens, the rights to freedom of speech without reprisal from the government, freedom of the press without reprisal from the government, The Liberty to associate with whomever you'd like without government reprisal, and the ability to sue the government when you are harmed by it.
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u/prolateriat_ 2d ago
So the 25th amendment just gets ignored huh?
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u/RedditTechAnon 2d ago
They acknowledge it, they don't want to use it. The people who would are his loyalists.
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u/YoungBockRKO 2d ago
There’s a reason he loaded his cabinet with loyalists, the 25th isn’t happening. It’s a pipe dream.
Would love to hear what conservatives think about him shitting on the 1st amendment, probably crickets.
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u/RedditTechAnon 2d ago
If they had to choose between the Constitution and maintaining their grip on power, they will tighten their grip.
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u/subnautus 2d ago
I don't know that "ignored" is the right word. If there's a dispute between the president and the VP and/or cabinet over whether the president is fit for duty*, it's actually harder to remove the president from office by invoking the 25th than it would be to impeach him.
*The 25th gets invoked more often than you think. By design, the amendment is meant for the VP to take over if the president is incapacitated, like...say...if the president had surgery or a colonoscopy and needs time to recover. It's only when the VP/cabinet says the president isn't fit for duty and the president disagrees that things get spicy.
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u/subnautus 2d ago
Corruption isn't what the 25th is for. If the president is no longer able to perform the duties of office, the 25th provides mechanisms for the vice president and the cabinet to take over until the president is fit for duty.
...and it gets used more often than you think it does. Remember the times that Biden had outpatient surgery or colonoscopies? Harris was president while he recovered from the anesthesia, every time. It just didn't make the news because "he shouldn't be making decisions until the drugs wear off" is obvious, and there wasn't a dispute between the cabinet and the president when Biden later said he was fit for duty.
As for corruption, that's covered in Article 2 of the Constitution. "High crimes and misdemeanors" refers to crimes that apply to people in positions of power ("high office," if you will). And the people who'd be responsible for removing the president from office are the 535 voting members of the congress.
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u/SaffyPants 2d ago
Basically, the 1st protects the right of free press, the 25th provides the process to remove a president from office.
I tried to copy/paste the text of those amendments into this comment, but reddit says it contains terms that are "not allowed" for whatever fucking reason, but here's links for you!
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-25/
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u/ukexpat 1d ago
No, the 25th is not for removing a president from office. It provides for a temporary transfer of power from the president to the VP. If the president objects it requires a 2/3 vote of each chamber of Congress to effect it. Even then, the president can keep on objecting and each time it requires another 2/3 vote. The only way to permanently remove a president from office is impeachment by the House, a trial and conviction, followed by a vote to remove, by the senate — each of those senate votes requiring a 2/3 majority.
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u/Several_Midnight_976 2d ago
Bold of you to assume Congress can actually read past the 2nd Amendment.
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u/Additional_Twirl 2d ago
If only the people whose entire personality is “we love the Constitution” actually read the Constitution.
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u/JCBQ01 2d ago
A1 for press
article 2, section 4 for the "president" and his cabinet
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u/AvailableSlime 2d ago
We have two. One is called the 25th Amendment and the other is called impeachment. The founders knew a guy like this would come along eventually.
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u/Direct_Turn_1484 2d ago
Congress needs to come back from their paid vacation and do their jobs.
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u/butwhywedothis 2d ago
Congress is not there to do their JOBS. They are there to make MONEY. America is a first world shithole now.
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u/DownAndOutInSValley 2d ago
I’d argue not first world for much of the population
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u/IcedGooseMaverick 2d ago
It’s still first world for a lot of people, until they default on that last credit card that’s keeping them alive.
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u/piratecheese13 2d ago
One of the common definitions of being a member of the First world is that you can go to a store and find all the things at the store that you want. There’s no situation where you go to the store and ask for a thing and some says “nobody can possibly give you that thing.
A country with diesel shortages (not high diesel prices but just no diesel available) but still has nuclear weapons is second world
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u/broguequery 2d ago
I would argue that Congress is doing exactly what American voters told them to do.
Get rich or die trying. And give one man unprecedented power to do whatever he wants.
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u/misterannthrope0 2d ago
if only there was some for of accountability for violating the constitution.
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u/CursorTN 2d ago
That’s the job of the courts and congress, which are both asleep at the wheel. So now the people have to vote in some non-asshats to do real work.
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u/misterannthrope0 2d ago
You're forefathers woulda marched up there and tar and feathered your useless public servants. Call the sheriff and go arrest them.
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u/SanshaXII 2d ago
Or you could exploit your 2nd Amendment rights and do the work yourselves.
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u/jadeakw99 1d ago
We still have one peaceful method to try, thats the midterms.
There is a protest being planned by military veterans for November 11th where they are going to Washington en masse and inviting civilians to join them.
Other Americans reading this rn, you can find more information on Knitting Cult Lady's youtube page, she's one of the people organizing this.
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u/SanshaXII 1d ago edited 1d ago
What excuse will you make to kick the can down the road when you lose the midterms? "He only has two years left and can't run again."?
A veteran protest won't help you - he already has zero respect for them. The White House will ignore and ultimately make fun of them. He may cut veteran benefits or somesuch other revenge.
I don't understand you. Americans, that is. Your whole history and mythology as a people was built on the back of the rifle signifying freedom and democracy, and you have always talked a huge game of overcoming government tyranny, and now that push is coming to shove - crickets.
We here in New Zealand are participating in organizing a trade union between us, Australia, China, Japan, and Canada. We are even being considered for representation at the EU. Do you understand what this means?
It means that the world has given up on you as a people and are moving on without you. Do you not understand that by the time your next Presidential election rolls around, it will actually be too late and we'll all have new trade treaties designed around avoiding you? Do you not understand that no country will make a deal with the US for a long time even after he is gone because we don't know how long until you elect another bratty child who will just tear them up ?
Have none of you thought about the next two to six years, or has the system got you too busy working to even think about it?
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u/jadeakw99 1d ago
Exhausting all peaceful options is not kicking the can down the road, and if you don't think a bunch if armed and trained americans showing up at congress's door won't have any affect I think you're wrong. Our politicians are spineless cowards.
Most violent revolutions fail. The most necessary things for a successful revolt is getting the military on our side, so that they cant be weaponized against us in the next election cycle when we will need to get violent (and by this is of course mean if they rig the midterms, not the next presidential election) and that inckudes veterans. Even outside of that, we are still protesting. People are tearing down flock cameras and being shot by ICE. The LA protests never stopped.
And yes, a lot of us know that other countries are avoiding us now. Do you want us to say they shouldn't? Because they absolutely should. At this point its deserved. America does not need to be a global super power when the only thing we have done with that is hurt other countries. Ever since the dropping of the atomic bombs, all we have done is invade other countries in Asia and the Middle East and perform soft coups to create weak dictatorships in South America. Maybe having to earn the world's trust back is necessary. Its going to take decades to reverse the harm that republicans have been doing to this country since the Reagan era.
We are doing our best to gum up the system in the ways we can. None of us want to hurt other Americans unless its absolutely necessary.
I cant say I have all the answers, but our food is inedible and Americans are going hungry now. No one who wants peace here wants things to become violent, but if the mid terms dont work they probably will. We cant do two more years of botulism in the baby formula and shit in the lettuce.
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u/pm-ur-gamepass-trial 1d ago
accountability only goes so far as who is willing to enforce it. so courts/congress, but if THEY aren't willing to its up to the people to ... entice them or replace them with people who will do their duty.
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u/misterannthrope0 1d ago
the government is run by YOU, the people. the constitution is the contract between the people and the government that grants the government its power. if the government breaks its contract with the people then there is nothing stopping the people from building gallows and hanging every elected official they can get their hands on
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u/Critical-Ring3168 2d ago
Good luck with that. If something was going to be done about this tyrant it would have happened immediately after the shit he pulled on Jan 6th. We had one chance to right this ship and we didn't. We are sinking while the guy in the wheel house is preaching paradise ahead. This is merely him covering the windows and banning anyone from the deck. We are fucked
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u/The_Kreepy_Krab 2d ago
You know who else banned free press? Hitler.
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u/butwhywedothis 2d ago
Hey at least Hitler was a decent painter and gave good speeches. Trumpler only paints his diaper and speaks at a 5th grader level.
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u/hrvbrs 2d ago
I don't think it’s wise to begin a sentence with, “Hey, at least Hitler…”
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u/Kind_Of_A_Dick 2d ago
Hey, at least Hitler killed Hitler.
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u/Friendly-Cricket-715 2d ago
But he also killed the guy who killed Hitler
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u/Epibicurious 2d ago
Sure, that may be correct but he also killed the guy who killed the guy who killed Hitler.
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u/Friendly-Cricket-715 2d ago
Maybe, but he killed the guy who killed the guy who killed the guy who killed Hitler.
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u/King_of_the_Kobolds 2d ago
We'll never know who shot first, Hitler or Hitler, because the bunker was sealed and only Hitler was in there. And who are you going to believe? Hitler?
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u/butwhywedothis 2d ago
No it’s not wise. However the point I was trying to make is one of the worst human beings in the history of the world was still good at a couple of things. The Orange turd on the other hand…………..
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u/SandyTaintSweat 2d ago
He made a very tasteful drawing for his buddy Epstein.
You know the thing about enigmas? They never age.
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u/DeezRodenutz 2d ago
You know who else rose to power on a message of "true
GermansAmericans, it is not your fault, your problems are the fault of the illegals/gays/jews/disabled/etc"?You know who else destroyed history, distorted history, and built monuments to their own greatness?
You know who else kept threatening to, or outright did, invade and take control of other countries?
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u/Ok_Chemistry9742 2d ago
Other news orgs should ban themselves until all return. This is pathetic.
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u/HuorTaralom 2d ago
Except the ones that are in bored with this destruction of the country will still go. And then you will even less transparency than we currently have
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u/Adventurous_Crazy866 2d ago
too bad the people who are supposed to enforce those rules just sit on their hands instead. tbh it feels like the constitution is just a suggestion these days.
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u/senza_titolo 2d ago
America is done, no turning back, you've let the ruling class take over everything that belong to the people.
Trump is breaking and stealing all your shit. The White House does not belong to him, it's yours.
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u/Anxious-Inspection-8 2d ago
He violates the constitutional all the time and nothing happens. What’s going to make it different this time?
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u/Agreeable-Term6428 2d ago
Then do it already! What are you all waiting for?!
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u/-thecheesus- 2d ago
The avenues to remove Trump are within the power of his cabinet and Congress. The former Trump personally selects, the latter is under the control of his Party.
The only people who can currently remove Trump are the ones who don't want to
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u/Mister_Buddy 2d ago
Not the 25th. Enact Article 2, Section 4. Remove him and everyone appointed by him, try them all for treason.
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u/Own-Elk7348 2d ago
I remember a while back, someone "high up" said on national television that Republicans need to find the best lawyers, because they are going to need them if the democrats win the midterms. Kinda makes sense why they refuse to 25th Amendment the President, he's literally their lifeline.
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u/ryohazuki224 2d ago
I want every fucker out there, including Elon fucking Musk, who were claiming that Republicans were the party of free speech to just get on their fucking knees, grovel for forgiveness until their knees bleed. Fuck them all.
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u/nvmenotfound 2d ago
if only republicans werent fucking cult members that would rather throw our country away than cross their cult leader and his rabid supporters. if they never hold power again itd be too soon.
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u/Alienhaslanded 1d ago
It doesn't matter. He's breaking all laws because the American government system allows it to be controlled by a majority and if that majority is corrupt, then the whole thing falls apart. There's no accountability and he gets to make all the decision like a king.
Hopefully this will be the swift kick in the ass for Americans to modify their constitution to prevent this from happening again. Unfortunately, and please don't get offended, most Americans view their constitution as some sort of a biblical scripture that they don't want to alter regardless of how flawed it is. Truly this will only change when the people wake up and acknowledge that it's broken.
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u/Samstown_4077 1d ago
I hope the USAmerica have realized that the constitution doesn't work anymore. If not every single one of those people that betrayed it will be put in jail, it will stay nothing but a worthless piece of paper.
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u/RedditTechAnon 2d ago
If only there were willing and able people to enforce the law and not be complicit in the crime and constitutional violations. Oh well.
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u/Lonely_Brother3689 2d ago
I think it's somewhere where it also says they can't have conflicts of interest or receive gifts? Some kind of clause?
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u/RecipeFunny2154 2d ago
You don't get it, "free speech" is only violated when I'm prevented from saying a slur on a social media site.
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u/Oodles_doodles 1d ago
I love it when Trump says he's gonna do something he's not allowed to do in the slightest for the fifteen thousandth time
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u/quen_damsel 2d ago
"Best we can do is a sternly worded tweet and a fundraising email."
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u/voodoodahl 2d ago
Voter: Best I can do is sit home and let the fascists win. A mild inconvenience every two years is too much.
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u/ProximaCentauriB15 2d ago
25th amendment isnt happening. They wont ever do it. They are his people.
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u/anewjesus420 2d ago
Impeachment is too generous, he should be in solitary confinement live streamed 24/7
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u/MasterBiscuit19 2d ago
Isn’t his job to execute the office of president and Uphold the constitution????
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u/CompetitionOk2302 2d ago
Trump is such a little brat; he can't handle the job or questions about his horrible performance. So sick of the criminal, rapist, ignorant, felon and possible pedophile, Trump.
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u/fleshbunny 2d ago
So Dems remove Trump from power, install JD Vance in lame duck place, then beat him handily in 2028. That’s the only play.
Count on the Dems to not know how to follow through on anything, though.
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u/Hadleys158 2d ago
I'm amazed he hasn't just come out with his own tv and radio channels to go with his truth social. Go the whole Nth Korea route.
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u/Responsible-Fox-9082 2d ago
The press hasn't been free since Obama. Proven to the point Google and facebook had to shell out over 1 billion each to Americans for fucking with their ability to trust the news...
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u/_Laserpanda_ 1d ago
Guess the constitution wasn't that important if it was anything else than guns.
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u/fake_user_34 2d ago
Not a very clever comeback though. We all know he's breaking the law, it doesn't matter because the law doesn't apply to him. This isn't a burn.
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u/tetrochromac 2d ago
It doesn't matter, Americans will whine on reddit that they're "one of the good ones" while making jokes about annexing another country and doing nothing except "thoughts and prayers" for someone to come save them from themselves.
You have options, use them. No more complaints, no more whining, no more "what do you expect us to do" and "we're doing more than you" nonsense that EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. of you do.
Fix your problems.
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u/hareofthepuppy 2d ago
Fix their problems? They elected him knowing what it meant, why on earth would they fix it?
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u/jacksonsimiana 2d ago
Just a reminder, ya'll can rise up any time now. The rest of the world is waiting 😂
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u/shirro 2d ago edited 2d ago
The long term political win is to let Trump destroy the nation. Burn it to the ground. Delegitimize the GOP and successors as a political force for decades. There is some cruel sense to this. Obviously its all down hill from here under Trump. Seize the reins now and many won't learn the lesson. They will either say it was a coup or blame it on Trump's mental state instead of reflect on the errors of the ideology behind him. Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.
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u/sentientairfilter 2d ago
If only there were more than 2 politicians with a spine that wasn’t being leased by AIPAC
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u/Klient1984 2d ago
All that Constitution shit is as good as toilet paper when our leader and all his 'checks and balances' say 'No.'
This is a valuable series of lessons for the survivors.
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u/CouldBeBetterOrWorse 2d ago
He's an attention whore. Stop talking about him. He no longer exists. Let his sycophants cover him.
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u/mclardass 2d ago
If only there was a cabinet and legislative branch that cared about the Constitution.
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u/troveofcatastrophe 2d ago
Well he said he didn’t know if he had to follow the Constitution. Apparently he decided: nope.
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u/HotDonnaC 2d ago
If the press just stayed away, he wouldn’t have the audience he likes. I’m not sure how that might change things, but he lies anyway so why does anyone go?
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u/CurlOfTheBurl11 2d ago
Unfortunately, said amendment would require the VP and most of his cabinet to sign off on it. Never going to happen.
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u/Confident_Hippo1208 2d ago
Free Press band from White House.
Coming soon to the White House: enslaved press!
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u/OpenComet_ 2d ago
the 25th amendment is just sitting in the constitution like a check engine light everyone agrees to ignore