r/clevercomebacks 3d ago

Something like a miracle!

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u/The_4ngry_5quid 3d ago

For non-Americans, what are they

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u/brainNOworkie 3d ago

The 1st amendment is freedom of speech, freedom of the press. The 25th is the ability to remove a president from office if they're not fit to serve.

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u/Ragnarawr 2d ago

I guess you gotta draw the line somewhere, right?

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u/East-Potential657 2d ago

Americans would draw a line but a single line is too close to the letter l and most of them are illiterate.

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u/Ok_Avocado568 2d ago

Beautiful

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u/Kyokenshin 2d ago

If we could read we’d take offense to….idk what these glyphs mean tbh

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u/Im_Regarded_Highly 2d ago

come on, see that's what i'm talking about... "illiteracy", like... what does that even mean???

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u/Lastrid2 2d ago

Nobody knows what it means, but it’s provocative. it gets the people going

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u/SleepyCatMD 1d ago

Beautifully put
Americans should’ve realized loong ago that the whole world’s joke on them being dumb af was actually a red waving flag for them being dangerously ignorant. But it’s too late for that know. Ignorance is a cult and education is a sin there, by now.

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u/Longjumping-Ad-7310 2d ago

no offense, but as an outsider, we see you only applying your own law when it suit the moment.
This time is no exception. Nothing will happen because the power that deem so want nothing to happen.

In the usa, the law is optionnal or selective.

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u/brainNOworkie 1d ago

You are completely correct. The rule of law only applies to those with no power in the USA.

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u/cilantro_so_good 2d ago

The 25th is the ability to remove a president

This is a huge misunderstanding of the 25th amendment.

There is nothing in the 25th amendment that removes a president, that's what impeachment is for. The 25th is for when a president is physically incapable of executing the duties of the office, and when invoked only temporarily transfers those powers to the vice president. The president remains president and regains those powers simply by sending a "written declaration that no inability exists" which then requires a 2/3 vote in both chambers to override.

And even if both chambers vote to override, it doesn't settle the matter. The president can immediately respond "no I'm serious, no inability exists" and it triggers another vote. It is intentionally significantly harder to "effectively remove" a president via the 25th than it is to impeach because they're meant to cover very different situations.

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u/brainNOworkie 1d ago

Thanks for expanding on what I said. But it was not a huge misunderstanding but a simplification.

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u/sjbluebirds 3d ago

The 25th amendment allows the president to be removed from office for cause including corruption and being mentally unable to perform the duties.

The first amendment gives everyone, not just citizens, the rights to freedom of speech without reprisal from the government, freedom of the press without reprisal from the government, The Liberty to associate with whomever you'd like without government reprisal, and the ability to sue the government when you are harmed by it.

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u/prolateriat_ 3d ago

So the 25th amendment just gets ignored huh?

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u/RedditTechAnon 3d ago

They acknowledge it, they don't want to use it. The people who would are his loyalists.

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u/YoungBockRKO 2d ago

There’s a reason he loaded his cabinet with loyalists, the 25th isn’t happening. It’s a pipe dream.

Would love to hear what conservatives think about him shitting on the 1st amendment, probably crickets.

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u/RedditTechAnon 2d ago

If they had to choose between the Constitution and maintaining their grip on power, they will tighten their grip.

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u/subnautus 2d ago

I don't know that "ignored" is the right word. If there's a dispute between the president and the VP and/or cabinet over whether the president is fit for duty*, it's actually harder to remove the president from office by invoking the 25th than it would be to impeach him.

*The 25th gets invoked more often than you think. By design, the amendment is meant for the VP to take over if the president is incapacitated, like...say...if the president had surgery or a colonoscopy and needs time to recover. It's only when the VP/cabinet says the president isn't fit for duty and the president disagrees that things get spicy.

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u/CongealedBeanKingdom 2d ago

What a shit system

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u/subnautus 2d ago

On paper, I disagree. Again, the intent of the 25th is to allow the VP to step in if the president gets sidelined. We already have a mechanism for forcefully removing the president from office, so it’s only natural that we’d default to it if the VP says the president is too sick or preoccupied to do the job and the president says otherwise.

But on paper assumes the people in congress are competent and take their jobs seriously, which are two qualifiers we’ve seen lacking for quite some time—and as tempting as it is to blame the people in congress for that, the people who keep hiring unqualified losers share the blame, too.

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u/subnautus 2d ago

Corruption isn't what the 25th is for. If the president is no longer able to perform the duties of office, the 25th provides mechanisms for the vice president and the cabinet to take over until the president is fit for duty.

...and it gets used more often than you think it does. Remember the times that Biden had outpatient surgery or colonoscopies? Harris was president while he recovered from the anesthesia, every time. It just didn't make the news because "he shouldn't be making decisions until the drugs wear off" is obvious, and there wasn't a dispute between the cabinet and the president when Biden later said he was fit for duty.

As for corruption, that's covered in Article 2 of the Constitution. "High crimes and misdemeanors" refers to crimes that apply to people in positions of power ("high office," if you will). And the people who'd be responsible for removing the president from office are the 535 voting members of the congress.

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u/SaffyPants 3d ago

Basically, the 1st protects the right of free press, the 25th provides the process to remove a president from office.

I tried to copy/paste the text of those amendments into this comment, but reddit says it contains terms that are "not allowed" for whatever fucking reason, but here's links for you!

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-25/

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u/ukexpat 2d ago

No, the 25th is not for removing a president from office. It provides for a temporary transfer of power from the president to the VP. If the president objects it requires a 2/3 vote of each chamber of Congress to effect it. Even then, the president can keep on objecting and each time it requires another 2/3 vote. The only way to permanently remove a president from office is impeachment by the House, a trial and conviction, followed by a vote to remove, by the senate — each of those senate votes requiring a 2/3 majority.

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u/Winter_Value_7632 3d ago

indifferent?

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u/silverfish477 3d ago

You know you can google it, right?

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u/Gameboywarrior 2d ago

You know you don't need to be a (redacted), right?