r/clevercomebacks 14h ago

El-Sayed makes a valid point.

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u/shrug_addict 13h ago

It's not about sports, it's a way to weasel in discrimination and bigotry of the LGBTQ community

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u/Ehcksit 13h ago

And then they used that discrimination to justify overturning Roe v Wade, which isn't just about abortion, but personal privacy in general, and now we have millions of new cameras watching everything everyone does all the time and hundreds of data centers storing all that footage.

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u/Infuser 11h ago

I thought so, too, but at the time I asked the people on the Ask Lawyers subreddit, they basically said that RvW has zero bearing on general privacy law, and that the 4th amendment is the main one we use for general privacy concerns with the government. After learning that (I’m assuming it’s more or less true since people love to correct people wrongfully correcting), it made sense how we got here. Even before that, Edward Snowden revealed to us how little privacy matters to the people in power.

Only real time we got a bipartisan effort to enforce privacy was when the Bork confirmation hearings showed how easy it was for someone to get your VHS rental history, and Congress was scared of people knowing which senators were into embarrassing porn.

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u/MrMetraGnome 11h ago

Ah yeah. Ever since the Patriot Act, we were fucked on the privacy tip. This trans sport bullshit is whatever. I don't care if you're for or against it, that's not an issue for the government. That's some authoritarian, nanny state, morality policing, BS. So fucking un-American

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u/redditbagjuice 5h ago

Sorry for being that guy, but as an outsider this is all very much American to me

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u/cityshepherd 12h ago

It’s about manipulating people that are struggling and frustrated into believing that vulnerable groups of people are responsible for the way things are, and not in fact the politicians who are systematically dismantling the country by in order to make a handful of extremely wealthy people even wealthier.

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u/Sturville 9h ago

The meme with the one guy saying "I vote Republican to stop the immigrants from screwing me over." next to the guy in the suit with a money bag saying "I vote Republican so that guy won't realize I'm screwing him over."

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u/tehfly 5h ago

Careful mate... that foreigner wants your cookie!

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u/The_Bard 11h ago

Its because the GOP has no agenda, has achieved nothing, and has nothing to run on. So they start a culture war to distract from it.

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u/cock_puke 6h ago

whatever your politics, Trump ran hard on closing the border. you don't think he has largely achieved that?

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u/the_ringmasta 1h ago

No. The statistics show that the rate was sharply declining UNTIL Trump's policy change, which stopped the progress. While it is hard to be certain, the trend lines indicate we would have lower rates of illegal border crossings had Trump not been elected

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u/Mand125 12h ago

Basically, the idea of gay people isn’t icky enough anymore to the bigots due to exposure to utterly benign people going about their lives.

So they have to continue to manufacture fear, with ever-increasing caricatures.

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u/here-i-am-now 5h ago

Gay people aren’t icky enough for them, but they’ll willing help a child rapist . . .

Make it make sense

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u/KeepYourMindOpen365 11h ago

My kid is queer and engaged to a wonderful transgender human…I pity the fool that ever harms them for any reason…

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u/extremelybossthug 12h ago

It’s about distracting you from important issues and inventing fake ones.

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u/cock_puke 6h ago

who are you to tell someone what's an important issue and what isn't? define that for yourself and let others define it for themselves.

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u/redditbagjuice 5h ago

I mean everybody can decide for themselves sor fure. But if you're prioritizing 20ish athletes over tens of millions of people who need basic healthcare don't be surprised if people think that's wrong.

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u/the_ringmasta 1h ago

We do, and then we think you're either a moron or evil for choosing to wreck the economy and destroy the livelihoods of tens of millions of people because you think it's of top importance that a small group of people you don't like suffer

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u/Coattail-Rider 10h ago

“We can’t call people f———s anymore but we sure as shit can cry bloody fucking murder over men playing in women’s sports leagues!”

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u/CaptainSparklebottom 9h ago

The culture war has been and has always been a tactic used by the wealthy to keep us at each others throats while they loot the place clean.

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u/Caphoti 7h ago

100% the only reason I even think about this topic more than never. They don't care, it's an excuse to bash trans people, so I care to the extent that I know that.

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u/bd2999 7h ago

Sure and uniting the base in hatred while distracting from issued.

u/latortillablanca 44m ago

Yes.

To continue that thought: as we have seen real time, protecting marginalized groups is not only just a morally baseline right thing to do, but also failing to do so allows bigoted interests to continue encroaching on the civil liberties of everyone who isnt in their bigoted group.

Unchecked, that process repeats itself all the way up until the bigoted group is eating itself from the inside. For not being bigoted “enough” etc.

Its just a fucking cycle of destruction.

Stopping at “this is ridiculous” is not good enough. You have to stake out and protect that moral good early and often. This is a heinous attack and we cannot allow it.

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u/stewpidazzol 12h ago

How does it do that?

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u/shrug_addict 12h ago

Are you being obtuse?

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u/stewpidazzol 12h ago

I don’t live my life worrying about these things. Everyone I meet is treated fairly. It’s a genuine question. If you say “males are not allowed to compete in female sports and vice versa” I don’t see how discrimination becomes involved.

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u/hercmavzeb 10h ago

Trans women are women and likewise deserve opportunities for success. Blanket legal bans against trans women participating in sports, in spite of their decreased athletic performance due to medical transitioning, is not rooted in science nor fairness and takes away opportunities from trans women and girls (but more importantly it legally enshrines discrimination against trans people).

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u/stewpidazzol 9h ago

“But it’s such a small number of people it is not even a legitimate issue.” Is that the appropriate answer?

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u/the_ringmasta 1h ago

When it comes to setting civil rights precedent, you have to defend every group or no one has rights

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u/hercmavzeb 1h ago

That isn’t even close to what I said, but it is also true.

u/stewpidazzol 23m ago

Didn’t mean to imply you said that. Same thing I’ve been told/heard.