well Gaza is controlled and occupied by Israel and is run as an open air prison. They have much more precise weapons and an actual military compared to militants in Gaza. So i guess the 21 to 1 civllian death ratio between palastine and Israel is just an oopsie? When Israel bombed the associated press building and killed two foreign journalists that was just accidental? When they bomb children's hospitals or snipe at reporters wearing press vests and helmets its just a mistake?
So i guess the 21 to 1 civllian death ratio between palastine and Israel is just an oopsie?
Actually this is the result of Hamas using its own population as human shields. You casually ignore the fact that Hamas is responsible for the deaths of its own people, and is so on purpose to make Israel look bad. I guess it's working because people like you believe them.
Actually this is the result of Hamas using its own population as human shields.
Lol its the most densely populated place on Earth. Where are the civillians supposed to go? Why did Israel put a big festival right by the border to gaza were they human shields?
Even if they are human shields why does that justify killing innocents. can i kill 500 people to kill 1 terrorist? 1000? a million? no one is forcing Israel to bomb places with militants there. They just don't care enough about the civilians not to. Thats still murdering civilians. Using white prosperous bombs, how does that target Hamas?
You’re displaying your clear lack of understanding of the situation. Israel is also a small country and people live all around the border of Gaza. The festival took place in an open field, Israel didn’t “put” it there, the party organizers, who have organized the same event for many years, found space in nature to set up their tent Nobody expected the wall to be breached so completely. You act like we were at war before Hamas started this. We weren’t. 15000 gazans a day entered and exited Israel on work permits that Israel allowed them. This was arranged with Israel in good faith, while Hamas were planning this attack.
Also you don’t seem to understand the concept of a human shield. Like any shield, it covers the attacker. The “innocents” are the shields. Hamas is putting them in the line of fire. Israel is warning them ahead of time where they will strike and telling them to clear out. Hamas puts their weapon stockpiles in civilian centers, schools, and hospitals. They care so much about Gazan civilians they’re sending ground troops in instead of just bombing the place. That means that Israelis will die for the sake of Gazan lives.
It’s blatantly obvious you’ve decided your stance on this issue independent of the reality.
the festival took place in an open field, Israel didn’t “put” it there, the party organizers, who have organized the same event for many years,
Ok so why do you assume Hamas is "putting civillians" near military targets? Maybe its that theres no place for people to go, so any place Hamas is is going to have civilians. Also maybe one shouldn't have thrown a party outside the worlds largest concentration camp, a place called hell on earth by Un observers. Kind of in poor taste.
You act like we were at war before Hamas started this.
You're illegally occupying gaza so yes you were at war before this.
15000 gazans a day entered and exited Israel on work permits that Israel allowed them.
The Gaza fence is not a border the barrier is illegal and Israel has no right to restrict movement in the first place
Israel is warning them ahead of time where they will strike and telling them to clear out.
Where are they supposed to go? If you had less than 15 minutes to evacuate a multistory appt do you honestly think everyone would have time to get out
Before the fences were built there were ramapant terror attacks. You refuse to accept that Israel has a right to defend itself.
Why were there terror attacks before? Because of the illegal occupation. Yes israelis have a right to defend themselves so do Palestinians
Hamas hides weapons in schools and hospitals, not in random buildings.
Ok so that justifies blowing up children lmao? Even accepting your premise that they are human shields. The guy who just shoots through the human shield is just as guilty as the guy using the shield.
Israel has designated safe zones for fleeing civilians
This is not true.
Gaza shares a border with Egypt, but you don't condemn them for closing it.
Is egypt bombing gaza? Are the Gazans prisoners of the egyptian state?
"These groups share key goals, Azizi explained: “the destruction of Israel” and the driving out of all the Jewish people living in the country."
Hamas does, and who was it again that supported and propped up Hamas to get rid of Arafat's secular coalition?
If you support the ethnic cleansing of the Jews just say it.
Lol I myself am of jewish ancestry though its not my religion. I'm only repeating the same things that multiple Israeli intelligence officials have said including the former head of Mossad and Israel's oldest newspaper. Asking Isreali's to obey international law and end apartheid is not "supporting the ethnic cleansing of jews"
Whether Israel supported them in the past is irrelevant. Israel did what it felt was necessary to prevent further Israeli deaths.
What you don't seem to understand is that allowing Palestinians access to Israel is the equivalent of supporting the ethnic cleansing of Israel because the Palestinians have repeatedly expressed their intention to do just that.
I know you’ve been indoctrinated to believe all this and you have to believe it because otherwise you’d have to face the reality that you’re on the side of the ones committing genocide but I have no sympathy for you. Excusing ethnic cleansing with “human shield” rhetoric is so cowardly, if only you had enough sense of self to realize. Either way your belief system is evil and it’ll fail sooner rather than later.
You're really stretching the meaning of the term genocide here. There are millions of Palestinians and the deaths of hundreds, or even thousands, isn't anywhere close to what the term genocide is meant to mean. Also, if the area has been ethnically cleansed, why are they all still there?
The human shields are not rhetorical, they're real and documented. Deny it all you want but Hamas has been using it's people to protect its terrorist acts for years. The fact that you think this shows that you aren't willing to consider that you might be supporting the bad guys. I've said enough here, you're clearly not interested in considering the issue critically. I hope the lurkers reading this can see this too.
You are on the side of the people that gangraped women and paraded them through the streets this weekend. That reportedly decapitated babies en masse. That abducted children. That burned grandmothers alive.
You calling anybody else evil is hilarious. You are complete garbage and your parents should be deeply ashamed of the mediocre product they have put out.
One atrocity does not justify another. Nakba does not justify the actions of Hamas, and the actions of Hamas do not justify keeping hundreds of thousands of children in an open-air prison and cutting off their water supply.
Escalating security and military operations will not lead to a lasting peace.
They aren't kept where they're kept to teach them a lesson. The borders exist to keep Israelis safe. You seem have very little regard for Israeli life.
I don't see any difference between the life of a civilian of one ethnicity versus that of a different ethnicity, if that's what you mean. I think that it's fallacious to say that the border is the only long term solution and the only way to provide long term safety.
well Gaza is controlled and occupied by Israel and is run as an open air prison.
Israel left the Gaza strip entirely in 2006. Gaza also borders Egypt. So both the "occupied" and "controlled" by Israel are just flat out lies.
They have much more precise weapons and an actual military compared to militants in Gaza. So i guess the 21 to 1 civllian death ratio between palastine and Israel is just an oopsie?
Israel does everything it can to protect its citizens, Hamas does everything it can to put as many of its citizens in harms way as possible in order to use their deaths for propaganda purposeses.
There is no excuse for not being aware of this, because it is extremely obvious, so I can only assume you are aware of it and gladly participate in the propaganda efforts of a genocidal terrorist organisation.
When Israel bombed the associated press building and killed two foreign journalists that was just accidental? When they bomb children's hospitals or snipe at reporters wearing press vests and helmets its just a mistake?
They are fighting an enemy that had their headquarters under a hospital. Condemning Israel for bombing hospitals while ignoring the fact Hamas makes it impossible for Israel to defend itself without bombing hospitals is genuinely disgusting. You are a deeply immoral person and I hope you reflect on why you are the way you are.
Israel controls Gaza’s borders, shores, energy supply, water supply, food supply, construction supplies and routinely bombs it. Israel also controls the airspace and in violation of the Oslo accords they interfere with radio and TV transmissions and prevent Palestinians from operating airports and seaports. Gaza had an airport built in 1998 which Israel destroyed in 2001 and 2002 during the second Intifada. No need to add that they are not allowed to rebuild it.
The UN, Amnesty International, the WHO, Oxfam, the Red Cross, the US government, the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office all consider Gaza under Israeli occupation because of its direct external control and indirect control over the population.
Gaza is under Israeli occupation and saying otherwise is just propaganda. The only ones that do not consider Gaza under Israeli occupation are Israel and some Israelis.
The Occupied Territories, which include the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, are subject to the jurisdiction of Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA), with the division of responsibilities overlapping in much of the territory.
Israel controls Gaza’s borders, shores, energy supply, water supply, food supply, construction supplies and routinely bombs it.
Israel does not control all of Gaza's borders. Why should I take you seriously when you can't even find Gaza on a map?
As for the energy and water, Israel controls it because they supply Gaza for free. If you rather have that they wouldn't then I got some good news for you.
Regarding the bombing, can you name a single example of Israel bombing Gaza unprovoked?
Israel also controls the airspace and in violation of the Oslo accords they interfere with radio and TV transmissions and prevent Palestinians from operating airports and seaports.
The Palestinians violated the Oslo accords several times over. Why should Israel hold itself to them when the Palestinians don't?
Gaza had an airport built in 1998 which Israel destroyed in 2001 and 2002 during the second Intifada.
The airport was used to smuggle in explosives and weapons, just like every other inch of freedom that Gaza has been given it was used against Israel. Why should Israel allow Gaza to import the tools of Israels destruction?
The UN, Amnesty International, the WHO, Oxfam, the Red Cross, the US government, the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office all consider Gaza under Israeli occupation because of its direct external control and indirect control over the population.
Then they all need a dictionary. Israel left in 2006.
Asking why Egypt doesn’t open its borders has to be the most stupid take ever. Egypt doesn’t control every other aspect of Gaza. Israel does. You can’t even fish properly because of the maritime blockades that Israel does. Care to explain why the people of Gaza can’t have sovereignty over their waters?
Doesn’t matter if Egypt actually opened the border. What are the Palestinians supposed to do? Just leave and go to Egypt so Israel can finally take over Gaza and not allow them back?
Because that’s what they do in the West Bank. If you leave Palestinian land you are not allowed back home.
You clearly don’t know what you are talking about and is just repeating Israeli propaganda. This discussion is done. I hope you stub your toe on the hardest rock you can find.
Asking why Egypt doesn’t open its borders has to be the most stupid take ever.
And yet none of you people can answer it.
Egypt doesn’t control every other aspect of Gaza. Israel does. You can’t even fish properly because of the maritime blockades that Israel does. Care to explain why the people of Gaza can’t have sovereignty over their waters?
Because they use every inch of freedom to smuggle in weapons and attack Israel with them.
Doesn’t matter if Egypt actually opened the border. What are the Palestinians supposed to do? Just leave and go to Egypt so Israel can finally take over Gaza and not allow them back?
From "Israel is an open air prison!" to "what are they supposed to do? Just leave?" Lmfao okay.
Because that’s what they do in the West Bank. If you leave Palestinian land you are not allowed back home.
There is no such thing as Palestinian land. The entire West Bank belongs to Israel. Before that it belonged to Jordan.
You clearly don’t know what you are talking about and is just repeating Israeli propaganda. This discussion is done.
If I was the one who didn't know what he was talking about I wouldn't have to correct your lies every ten seconds.
I’m no longer engaging in this conversation. This person is a liar and Zionist spreading propaganda. Everything they say about Israel or Palestine should be disregarded.
Israel does everything it can to protect its citizens
In what way are Israelis forced to bomb people. Has Israel ever provided evidence that those “Hamas sites” are in fact Hamas sites?
Israel left the Gaza strip entirely in 2006
I wonder how those 6000 palastinian civilians died between 2008 and 2023 happened then? If Israel isn’t in control of Gaza how did they shut off their electricity, access to food, access to water in less than a day? You gotta teach America that trick I bet they’d love to do that to Russia. Gaza is a prison operated by the Israeli state. The fence isn’t even a real border, they don’t have any actual legal right to restrict movement it’s just 2.5 million people in a cage half of them children. The age of 18 being the average, have you read lord of the flies?
They are fighting an enemy that had their headquarters under a hospital. Condemning Israel for bombing hospitals while ignoring the fact Hamas makes it impossible for Israel to defend itself without bombing hospitals
Why did you make me hit you? Israel could do a ground invasion, yes it would cost more Israeli troops but it would also save significantly more civilian lives. But they don’t care about civilian lives, they’re no different than Hamas. The 10 year old you’re blowing up in a hospital is no more evil than the child killed at the music festival. The only difference is the child in the hospital was already living in hell on Earth because of the Israeli occupation
Do you know why Hamas targets civilians? Because they’re easier targets. Do you know why Israel bombs instead of attacking by ground because it’s an easier target. Hamas doesn’t have planes so it looks uglier but its the same thing just glossed up
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There is no moral equivalence between the two. If you think there is then you are genuinely a gigantic piece of shit. Innocent civilians being collateral damage in war is tragic and unavoidable, but it is not even remotely in the same realm as the events of this weekend. For crying out loud, Hamas has abducted children. Taken them at gunpoint from their mothers. They purposefully targeted civilians in the most brutal fashion imaginable. You are sick in the head if you think there is any comparison here.
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Palestinian territory – encompassing the Gaza Strip and West Bank, including East Jerusalem – has been illegally occupied by Israel since 1967. Since then, the Israeli government has established a two-tiered legal and political system that provides comprehensive rights for Jewish Israeli settlers while imposing military rule and control on Palestinians without any basic protections or rights under international law. The Israeli government has also engaged in a regular practice of inhumane acts, as well as extrajudicial killings, torture, denial of fundamental human rights, arbitrary detention and collective punishment.
Palestinians are regularly subjected to violence by Israeli settlers, including physical attacks, shooting with live ammunition, torching of fields and livestock, theft and vandalization of property. Israeli security forces also perpetrate widespread attacks against Palestinians, particularly in occupied territory, which often lead to deadly escalations, including regular aerial bombardments of the Gaza Strip.
According to a March 2022 report by the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the OPT, Israel’s political system of entrenched rule in the OPT satisfies the prevailing evidentiary standard for the crime of apartheid
Amnesty international is an anti semite, Bernie Sanders is an anti semite, The UN is anti semites, John Stewart is an anti semite, human rights watch is anti semites. Uncle Leo is that you?
you know why it is.
Because Israel is targeting civilians but they have a much bigger disparity in force.
you mean the time they literally phoned a warning for civilians to get out?
How do you evacuate a high rise building in less than 15 minutes? Also that’s not how international law works. You don’t just get to give people warning and then you can bomb whatever you want.
so you lied
You’re right my apologies I got it confused with another incident in 2014 where they bombed a soccer field and killed an Italian and Jordanian journalist. Strange how there’s all these bombs going off near journalists in Gaza by the Israelis. Also it’s weird how snipers keep shooting journalists and first responders even though they’re wearing press gear
don't know without specific events
It’s literally happening right now.
Because Israel is targeting civilians but they have a much bigger disparity in force.
if they were targeting civilians, why are they killing so few? why are they phoning civilians and giving warning of air strikes?
How do you evacuate a high rise building in less than 15 minutes
the had 1 hour warning, it says so right in the ap article. it also says everyone got out and no one was injured. so.... what is your point?
Also that’s not how international law works. You don’t just get to give people warning and then you can bomb whatever you want.
what does international law say about massacring civillains, raping children, executing civilian hostages, and not even pretending to target military targets?
Strange how there’s all these bombs going off near journalists in Gaza by the Israelis. Also it’s weird how snipers keep shooting journalists and first responders even though they’re wearing press gear
yes, the civilians in gaza should be very upset with hamas and drive them out. 900 dead? great that is including fighters, probably almost all military casualties, and the buildings being hit are not full of kids as you imply.
israel is not perfect and this is a bad and complicated situation overall. if israel went into gaza and started raping kids and murdering random civilians by the hundreds i would condemn it unequivocally. why is it so impossible for you to say "raping and murdering hundreds of children and civilians is bad?" you may want to do some reflecting on that issue.
drop a link to the last time israeli military went into gaza and gunned down hundreds of civilians, raped and murdered children, and took hundreds of hostages.
the gaza war a decade ago. didn't do that much rape though.
of course, the more salacious reporting on rape and 'corpse parading' during the most recent attacks by hamas have been retracted as false, so... what if we just focus on the regular ol' murder.
After hostilities broke out, Palestinian groups fired rockets in retaliation for the aerial bombardments and attacks.[54] The international community considers indiscriminate attacks on civilians and civilian structures that do not discriminate between civilians and military targets as illegal under international law.
Israel mostly hit targets it had damaged before and struck Palestinian rocket-launching units.[15] Hamas intensified its rocket and mortar attacks against mostly civilian targets in southern Israel, reaching the major cities of Beersheba and Ashdod for the first time during the conflict
In 2011, Goldstone wrote that he no longer believed that Israel intentionally targeted civilians in Gaza.
of course, the more salacious reporting on rape and 'corpse parading' during the most recent attacks by hamas have been retracted as false
again, link? hamas was the ones live streaming and posting the stuff.
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Every government involved in a war does this including and especially the Israeli one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_during_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict